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Hybrids, Skilled Tracker. Viability?
aurelius_fx
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How viable would it be to make a vampire/werewolf hunter in PvP, considering vampire is usually mandatory for Nightblades and Werewolves can be easily identifiable? What set/class to pick?
DKs have passives that benefit poison/flame, and Necros also have a buff to their dots. Bow has bombard, which can lock werewolves and bring vampires out of stealth. These, at first sight, seem like the most obvious choices. Now, even with all the best tools, would the odd specialization be worth it at the end? (As in... would you even be useful in the battlefield, for the most part? lol... perhaps add some support skills?) I haven't even been able to find any sets that would specifically counter monsters like that, just the passives from Fighters Guild.
On a side note, does Silver Leash actually combos well with Barbed Trap? I feel like the skill line implies that but i've never actually seen anyone try.
I play mostly BGs, so, no CP.
Edited by aurelius_fx on July 14, 2021 6:50PM DKs have passives that benefit poison/flame, and Necros also have a buff to their dots. Bow has bombard, which can lock werewolves and bring vampires out of stealth. These, at first sight, seem like the most obvious choices. Now, even with all the best tools, would the odd specialization be worth it at the end? (As in... would you even be useful in the battlefield, for the most part? lol... perhaps add some support skills?) I haven't even been able to find any sets that would specifically counter monsters like that, just the passives from Fighters Guild.
On a side note, does Silver Leash actually combos well with Barbed Trap? I feel like the skill line implies that but i've never actually seen anyone try.
I play mostly BGs, so, no CP.
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shrekt4303✭✭Silver leash is underrated imo. Should you make a build around it? No, considering prismatic onslaught will no longer deal damage to undead, you are better off slotting DBoS and maybe silver leash and camoflauged hunter if you have the room.1 -
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I just read the PTS notes. What the hell? Well, ignore that and let's direct ourselves to flame/poison enchants, i suppose.shrekt4303 wrote: »considering prismatic onslaught will no longer deal damage to undead
Edit: With the changes to assist hybrid builds, i'm considering slotting a bunch of fighters guild skills and a flame ability on the backbar, to pull vampires with leash onto trap, then fear them with turn evil and spamming.... pulsar into dawnbreaker? I wonder if the DK passives proc on pulsar afterburn.Edited by aurelius_fx on July 14, 2021 6:40PM0 -
Spurius_Lucilius✭✭✭aurelius_fx wrote: »
pull vampires with leash onto trap, then fear them with turn evil and spamming.... pulsar into dawnbreaker? I wonder if the DK passives proc on pulsar afterburn.shrekt4303 wrote: »considering prismatic onslaught will no longer deal damage to undead
How do you pull then fear? You can’t do two CC in one row. And trap damage is not very good, and flame pulsar is a bad skill that do pitiful additional damage. All the changes are making a vampire hunter build less viable because you are only doing 10% more damage from fighters guild skills now.
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✭✭You would think DKs would be the best daedra killers but I think stamdens with sub assault might be better. For vampires yes mag dk probably the beat, but vampires don't take as much extra flame damage as they used to.0 -
chuckythexii✭✭Spurius_Lucilius wrote: »aurelius_fx wrote: »
pull vampires with leash onto trap, then fear them with turn evil and spamming.... pulsar into dawnbreaker? I wonder if the DK passives proc on pulsar afterburn.shrekt4303 wrote: »considering prismatic onslaught will no longer deal damage to undead
How do you pull then fear? You can’t do two CC in one row. And trap damage is not very good, and flame pulsar is a bad skill that do pitiful additional damage. All the changes are making a vampire hunter build less viable because you are only doing 10% more damage from fighters guild skills now.
trap damage is okay plus the fighters guild bonus, it also roots so leashing someone onto a trap would stun, snare, and root plus DoT, pull, and trap damage would all land at once. Not a bad way to start a fight with anyone plus extra damage on vamps. It'd be tricky to pull off but work well when it does. Breaking free and dodge rolling for a vamp is also worse the higher stage they are due to increased ability costs hurting their sustain.0 -
StarOfElyon✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭aurelius_fx wrote: »
I just read the PTS notes. What the hell? Well, ignore that and let's direct ourselves to flame/poison enchants, i suppose.shrekt4303 wrote: »considering prismatic onslaught will no longer deal damage to undead
Edit: With the changes to assist hybrid builds, i'm considering slotting a bunch of fighters guild skills and a flame ability on the backbar, to pull vampires with leash onto trap, then fear them with turn evil and spamming.... pulsar into dawnbreaker? I wonder if the DK passives proc on pulsar afterburn.
Unfortunately, DKs are the only class that can chain pull into a CC. Silver Leash will give your opponent CC immunity.0 -
divnyi✭✭✭✭✭
✭StarOfElyon wrote: »aurelius_fx wrote: »
I just read the PTS notes. What the hell? Well, ignore that and let's direct ourselves to flame/poison enchants, i suppose.shrekt4303 wrote: »considering prismatic onslaught will no longer deal damage to undead
Edit: With the changes to assist hybrid builds, i'm considering slotting a bunch of fighters guild skills and a flame ability on the backbar, to pull vampires with leash onto trap, then fear them with turn evil and spamming.... pulsar into dawnbreaker? I wonder if the DK passives proc on pulsar afterburn.
Unfortunately, DKs are the only class that can chain pull into a CC. Silver Leash will give your opponent CC immunity.
Wait itsn't DK pull chain also giving immunity?0 -
StarOfElyon✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭StarOfElyon wrote: »aurelius_fx wrote: »
I just read the PTS notes. What the hell? Well, ignore that and let's direct ourselves to flame/poison enchants, i suppose.shrekt4303 wrote: »considering prismatic onslaught will no longer deal damage to undead
Edit: With the changes to assist hybrid builds, i'm considering slotting a bunch of fighters guild skills and a flame ability on the backbar, to pull vampires with leash onto trap, then fear them with turn evil and spamming.... pulsar into dawnbreaker? I wonder if the DK passives proc on pulsar afterburn.
Unfortunately, DKs are the only class that can chain pull into a CC. Silver Leash will give your opponent CC immunity.
Wait itsn't DK pull chain also giving immunity?
I've never used the chain but I've heard it doesn't give CC immunity. Or at least if it does, they can still use an immobilize afterwards.0 -
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...........even with the additional blackrose dot?Spurius_Lucilius wrote: »and flame pulsar is a bad skill that do pitiful additional damage.
either way, i tossed the idea of using a dk aside and thought about a staff/bow stamsorc build instead.
the fire staff is for the buff on damage on single hit abilities (the reason crossbow is unmorphed) and chance to apply burning, poison ult and dot on the back bar for ww.Edited by aurelius_fx on July 18, 2021 6:09PM0 -
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✭StarOfElyon wrote: »StarOfElyon wrote: »aurelius_fx wrote: »
I just read the PTS notes. What the hell? Well, ignore that and let's direct ourselves to flame/poison enchants, i suppose.shrekt4303 wrote: »considering prismatic onslaught will no longer deal damage to undead
Edit: With the changes to assist hybrid builds, i'm considering slotting a bunch of fighters guild skills and a flame ability on the backbar, to pull vampires with leash onto trap, then fear them with turn evil and spamming.... pulsar into dawnbreaker? I wonder if the DK passives proc on pulsar afterburn.
Unfortunately, DKs are the only class that can chain pull into a CC. Silver Leash will give your opponent CC immunity.
Wait itsn't DK pull chain also giving immunity?
I've never used the chain but I've heard it doesn't give CC immunity. Or at least if it does, they can still use an immobilize afterwards.
Because it counts as stun that is immediately over once you are pulled. Immobilize and stun are different counters.
If chains weren't count as stun, you could effectively stunlock enemy by chaining them repeatedly. Chain animation eats approx 1 gcd by itself (and is unbreakable), longer by the longer distance travelled.0 -
MrMazurski✭✭✭StarOfElyon wrote: »StarOfElyon wrote: »aurelius_fx wrote: »
I just read the PTS notes. What the hell? Well, ignore that and let's direct ourselves to flame/poison enchants, i suppose.shrekt4303 wrote: »considering prismatic onslaught will no longer deal damage to undead
Edit: With the changes to assist hybrid builds, i'm considering slotting a bunch of fighters guild skills and a flame ability on the backbar, to pull vampires with leash onto trap, then fear them with turn evil and spamming.... pulsar into dawnbreaker? I wonder if the DK passives proc on pulsar afterburn.
Unfortunately, DKs are the only class that can chain pull into a CC. Silver Leash will give your opponent CC immunity.
Wait itsn't DK pull chain also giving immunity?
I've never used the chain but I've heard it doesn't give CC immunity. Or at least if it does, they can still use an immobilize afterwards.
Because it counts as stun that is immediately over once you are pulled. Immobilize and stun are different counters.
If chains weren't count as stun, you could effectively stunlock enemy by chaining them repeatedly. Chain animation eats approx 1 gcd by itself (and is unbreakable), longer by the longer distance travelled.
Jesus...
About DK chain @divnyi Chains gives small 1s stun, which means the opponent gets immune to hard CC for 6 seconds. But you can still give him Talons, or others immobilize. But you can't throw like Petrify anymore, bcs its hard CC. This was done just to avoid combos where DK would be a little too insane with that CC combo.
Only this ugly morph what pull yourself to the opponent, doesn't give Stun, but I used it a little so I don't confirm 100% now- Where "Update on Cyrodiil Performance & Upcoming AOE Tests"? I wish ZOS would stop kicking players' balls, especially those on Cyro
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From what? Flame damage enchantment?aurelius_fx wrote: »
chance to apply burningSpurius_Lucilius wrote: »and flame pulsar is a bad skill that do pitiful additional damage.
Or I guess you mean you will be using flame clench for the guaranteed burning next patch?
And sorc doesn’t have any bonus to many of these skills in its kit.Edited by Spurius_Lucilius on July 19, 2021 9:02AMPC NA Casual/PVP0 -
aurelius_fx✭✭✭Spurius_Lucilius wrote: »
From what? Flame damage enchantment?aurelius_fx wrote: »
chance to apply burningSpurius_Lucilius wrote: »and flame pulsar is a bad skill that do pitiful additional damage.
Or I guess you mean you will be using flame clench for the guaranteed burning next patch?
And sorc doesn’t have any bonus to many of these skills in its kit.
gonna be running either flame enchant or shock enchant on fire staff, fire enchant on fire staff sounds a bit redundant
and sorc has bonus to physical damage, which is the type of damage crushing weapon, fighters guild crossbow and dawnbreaker is0