CP PVP

Larcomar · July 2021

Not sure when the next update is due but it looks like Ravenwatch is getting converted to no proc. Nothing against a newbie friendly server, but I don't know why they don't just make another server. I really can't be bothered with this **** again, it just got old, fast. Wondered if anyone can quickly tell me -

- How is CP PVP, and how different is it to no CP PVP? I'm assuming it lets tanky people go even tankier and glass cannony people go even more glass cannon. Which could be fun. or might be silly. Not sure what that wd mean in practice..... Thoughts?

- How many CP do you need to be competitive in CP PVP now? I know it was something ridiculous initially, but it all got changed right? Can't seem to log in at the moment but think I've got maybe 1350. Is that enough as as a rough rule or do I need to grind some?

- Are there must have PVP CPs in the same way that everyone slots the same CP stars in PVE, and what are they? It looks like there's quite a few pvp specific ones - slippery? - or do people just stick to the usual +10% damage ones in blue and armor / health / regen in red etc.

- Which is the better CP pvp campaign population wise on the *EU* server - Grayhost or Blackreach - and what's the alliance balance like? I usually play shoulder - late afternoon to early evening GMT and leave when the ball groups come out. Most of my toons are EP but I have a couple of DC / AD ones who will need a home too.

May be getting a little ahead of myself here - I'm guessing the next update must be a couple of months off - but figuring if I need to grind CP, I should start now not when no proc comes back.

Also wondering if I need to stop playing Ravenwatch now, otherwise I have to pay AP to switch campaigns? Not sure how it works. It's probably not massive, across multiple toons might add up. Is there a point where you can switch for free?

Cheers

Larc

Marcus_Aurelius · July 2021

Newbie friendly server?
They really think that newbie will know which sets are allowed and which not? The list of the working sets just doesn't make any sense.

This will only be an horrible mess, I just hope they have the good sense to reassess everything.

Cirantille · July 2021

Gray host is better and more fun in my opinion

It is true people can be tankier but you also get to do more damage so same thing but CP opens more options to sets since recovery is better

Also it is more fun when you actually get to fight people for sometime than whose procc proccs first

Ever since raven got unlocked it became... not to be taken serious, a lot of ball groups, people spamming zones etc

Less ball groups in cp, and even if you meet them proccs dont hurt as much in CP

You can set your campaign at the end of campaign so it is free

I don't know how many cps you have but you don't need so many to be competitive anymore

No cp - >> focus on sustain

Cp - >> focus on damage

Ps. I also agree with ya, I am not spending any more gold into this back and forth changes once again, like enough is enough

EF321 · July 2021

This no proc thing really gets out of hand. When they announced a test, that was cool. 2 week test and then you can go back to playing normally. For me, it was fun for a couple of days for a change, but I did not have any optimal sets to satisfy test conditions and be competitive at the same time... I mean, it was only a test that will end shortly, right, and I don't have have any extra space to spare for "allowed" sets for every character that I have.

Then they extended it, not for another two weeks, but for three damn months! I just spent a ton on golden vendor during PvP event, which was literally a week before "test", made a ton of new builds for each character, and they won't allow me to use things I paid and grinded for. So I had to quit cyrodiil for 3 months.

And as soon as I allowed to go back to my preferred playstyle, they announce that they are going to basically close my campaign and leave me with no other no CP options.

Ravenwatch is the only consistently populated server on PCEU where all of my characters can play. There is gray host, but I'm only allowed to take 1/3 of my characters there. And Blackreach is pretty much always underpopulated, even when other campaigns have queue.

Asardes · July 2021

I will leave no-CP Ravenwatch. I played mostly there since 2016, but the conversion to no-proc just does it. I mean I have nothing against simple sets, and I did play a lot during the no-proc test, gaining around 1m AP/day, but it just felt so bland after a time running just Hunding, Spriggan and 2 mismatched monster sets for stats. One thing I dislike is that they disabled Volendrung, and Volendrung Vanquisher is the only achievement I'm still missing from Cyrodiil.

No-CP was radically different from CP before the CP changes since the mitigation from the old red CP was just over the top and every fight was a slog fest. Now the difference is much smaller due to the fact the mitigation bonuses were reduced from 20-25% to 10% at most for slotted stars and from 20% to just 2-4% for passive ones; on top of that the strongest stars are limited since you can only have 4 slotted instead of 10 or so back then. Also stats were 20% higher on CP compared to no-CP but now they're just 2-3% higher. So overall incoming/outgoing damage relative to stats is way better balanced.

I'll probably move to CP since I already have all passives and all useful slotted stars unlocked.

Agenericname · July 2021

Marcus_Aurelius wrote: »

Newbie friendly server?
They really think that newbie will know which sets are allowed and which not? The list of the working sets just doesn't make any sense.

This will only be an horrible mess, I just hope they have the good sense to reassess everything.

Where is the list? I cant seem to find it.

geonsocal · July 2021

Agenericname wrote: »

Marcus_Aurelius wrote: »

Newbie friendly server?
They really think that newbie will know which sets are allowed and which not? The list of the working sets just doesn't make any sense.

This will only be an horrible mess, I just hope they have the good sense to reassess everything.

Where is the list? I cant seem to find it.

it's contained within the Public Test Server section on the forums:
PTS Patch Notes v7.1.0

shadyjane62 · July 2021

Never play in Raven because it is no cp.

Larcomar · July 2021

Turns out I'm actually *behind* the times. My guild voted to leave Ravenwatch for CP PVP last week. Going to try out both and then decide at end of the month. In my defence I was away

Farewell Ravenwatch I guess. Sniff....

On the plus side, I seem to have enough CP to get most / all of the passives now. Just debating the slottables. Are there must haves / one's people have found good?

YandereGirlfriend · July 2021

I love No-CP but this misguided change is going to evict me from it.

I just love it when your preferred mode of gameplay gets deleted by the developers without any consultation with the players.

Celephantsylvius_Bornasfinmo · July 2021

I've tried both.
No CP feels more legit than the current patch + CP.
But performance on Raven's Watch PC-EU is pretty damn bad...hence departures from my behalf.

We'll see if Blackreach can be populated outside of the summer period, but I have my doubts...now that population caps have been lowered even more (if I've understood correctly); Well, it's going to be horse simulator for 20km's to find a fight.