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Stam sorcerer Hundings vs Automaton

francesinhalover
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Ok so it's pretty obvious Automaton has more dmg... it's like 110 extra dmg. the issue is stam sorcerers use storm atronarch ultimates and those aren't physical dmg.
So does automaton really give better dps or lower because it doesn't buff the ultimate
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  • El_Borracho
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    Automaton was awesome on stamsorcs several years ago, and was more powerful than Hunglings on a stam sorc. But with the introduction of new sets (i.e Relequen) and the push for crit damage it has fallen by the wayside. With CP 2.0, I wonder if you could make a build that could take advantage of it and . All of the stamsorc's skills are physical and bleed damage.

    You could also use Flawless Dawnbreaker and take advantage of Automaton.

    Last, if you are basing your build off of the Alcast PVE stamsorc (just a guess), that storm atro is group-oriented build. Meaning that you should be using Dawnbreaker as your ultimate unless nobody else has a storm atro in your group.
  • francesinhalover
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    Automaton was awesome on stamsorcs several years ago, and was more powerful than Hunglings on a stam sorc. But with the introduction of new sets (i.e Relequen) and the push for crit damage it has fallen by the wayside. With CP 2.0, I wonder if you could make a build that could take advantage of it and . All of the stamsorc's skills are physical and bleed damage.

    You could also use Flawless Dawnbreaker and take advantage of Automaton.

    Last, if you are basing your build off of the Alcast PVE stamsorc (just a guess), that storm atro is group-oriented build. Meaning that you should be using Dawnbreaker as your ultimate unless nobody else has a storm atro in your group.

    Wait so is storm attronarch a dungeon ulti or trial ulti? Should i just use dawnbreaker in dungs for dmg?
    Edited by francesinhalover on July 12, 2021 5:41PM
    I am @fluffypallascat pc eu if someone wants to play together
    Shadow strike is the best cp passive ever!
  • El_Borracho
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    Automaton was awesome on stamsorcs several years ago, and was more powerful than Hunglings on a stam sorc. But with the introduction of new sets (i.e Relequen) and the push for crit damage it has fallen by the wayside. With CP 2.0, I wonder if you could make a build that could take advantage of it and . All of the stamsorc's skills are physical and bleed damage.

    You could also use Flawless Dawnbreaker and take advantage of Automaton.

    Last, if you are basing your build off of the Alcast PVE stamsorc (just a guess), that storm atro is group-oriented build. Meaning that you should be using Dawnbreaker as your ultimate unless nobody else has a storm atro in your group.

    Wait so is storm attronarch a dungeon ulti or trial ulti? Should i just use dawnbreaker in dungs for dmg?

    What I meant is it is most effective in a group when you are the only one running it in a dungeon group, or you are one of a handful running it in a trials group. I'm fairly certain one atro only helps out one other DD. So if you were in a group where the other player was running something with an execute like Killers Blade, or a more powerful ultimate like Shooting Star, the group would benefit more than if both of you ran the atro. Sadly, this was a better ultimate before the nerf to Major Berserk. Not saying its useless, just was better before.

    The uptime of 28 seconds vastly outperforms Dawnbreaker, especially in boss fights that take more than 10 seconds. However, the cost is twice that of Dawnbreaker. So if you and another stamsorc were in a group, you'd be better off with one dropping the atro and the other dropping Dawnbreaker after the atro to pump out a lot of damage, then being able to regenerate their ulti for another Dawnbreaker while the atro is up. Its kind of similar to the colossus where you only want one up at a time, with the difference in a trials group of wanting one up for every 2 DDs at a time.

    This also assumes there is not another source of Major Berserk in the group and that everyone could activate their atro. Oh, and that you get a a tank in a trial doesn't absolutely hate the storm atro.
  • francesinhalover
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    Automaton was awesome on stamsorcs several years ago, and was more powerful than Hunglings on a stam sorc. But with the introduction of new sets (i.e Relequen) and the push for crit damage it has fallen by the wayside. With CP 2.0, I wonder if you could make a build that could take advantage of it and . All of the stamsorc's skills are physical and bleed damage.

    You could also use Flawless Dawnbreaker and take advantage of Automaton.

    Last, if you are basing your build off of the Alcast PVE stamsorc (just a guess), that storm atro is group-oriented build. Meaning that you should be using Dawnbreaker as your ultimate unless nobody else has a storm atro in your group.

    Wait so is storm attronarch a dungeon ulti or trial ulti? Should i just use dawnbreaker in dungs for dmg?

    What I meant is it is most effective in a group when you are the only one running it in a dungeon group, or you are one of a handful running it in a trials group. I'm fairly certain one atro only helps out one other DD. So if you were in a group where the other player was running something with an execute like Killers Blade, or a more powerful ultimate like Shooting Star, the group would benefit more than if both of you ran the atro. Sadly, this was a better ultimate before the nerf to Major Berserk. Not saying its useless, just was better before.

    The uptime of 28 seconds vastly outperforms Dawnbreaker, especially in boss fights that take more than 10 seconds. However, the cost is twice that of Dawnbreaker. So if you and another stamsorc were in a group, you'd be better off with one dropping the atro and the other dropping Dawnbreaker after the atro to pump out a lot of damage, then being able to regenerate their ulti for another Dawnbreaker while the atro is up. Its kind of similar to the colossus where you only want one up at a time, with the difference in a trials group of wanting one up for every 2 DDs at a time.

    This also assumes there is not another source of Major Berserk in the group and that everyone could activate their atro. Oh, and that you get a a tank in a trial doesn't absolutely hate the storm atro.

    How good is shooting star on a Stam sorce and what's the best shooting star morph?

    thank you :)
    I am @fluffypallascat pc eu if someone wants to play together
    Shadow strike is the best cp passive ever!
  • El_Borracho
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    @francesinhalover Sorry, didn't mean to confuse your with that. Was thinking if you were in a group with a magsorc that had Shooting Star slotted. In that case your Storm Atro would boost the damage of that mag player's Shooting Star. Versus the reverse of if both of you dropped the atro you, as a duo, would put out less damage. Was not at all recommending you get Meteor as a stamina player. That would be a mess.
  • francesinhalover
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    @francesinhalover Sorry, didn't mean to confuse your with that. Was thinking if you were in a group with a magsorc that had Shooting Star slotted. In that case your Storm Atro would boost the damage of that mag player's Shooting Star. Versus the reverse of if both of you dropped the atro you, as a duo, would put out less damage. Was not at all recommending you get Meteor as a stamina player. That would be a mess.

    But meteor works with stam dragonknight right?
    I am @fluffypallascat pc eu if someone wants to play together
    Shadow strike is the best cp passive ever!
  • zvavi
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    Sorry, didn't mean to confuse your with that. Was thinking if you were in a group with a magsorc that had Shooting Star slotted. In that case your Storm Atro would boost the damage of that mag player's Shooting Star. Versus the reverse of if both of you dropped the atro you, as a duo, would put out less damage. Was not at all recommending you get Meteor as a stamina player. That would be a mess.

    Atro is a very strong single target ultimate. Shooting star is weak in comparison.
  • Zodiarkslayer
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    Storm Attro is the strongest single target ulti in the game. More than 200k Damage without crit, nearing 300k if buffed all the way in a group.
    There is no reason to not run it.

    And getting back on topic: I believe Automaton does not buff light attacks and that is the main drawback. On a StamSorc LAs are usually 20% to 25% of total damage. Hundings Rage will be better, especially with proper LA weaving.
    Edited by Zodiarkslayer on July 13, 2021 4:30PM
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    Thank you for the valuable input and respectfully recommend to discuss that aspect of ESO on the PVP forum.
  • Ippokrates
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    Yeah @Zodiarkslayer , you are right, but imho both sets are... not a best option for stamsorc. Hunding's 3 item bonus is wasted on stamina and Automaton doesn't improve your LA. Which are kinda important for stamsorc due bound armaments... So maybe better think about sets for LA like Undaunted or Stormmaster.
    Edited by Ippokrates on July 13, 2021 5:34PM
  • francesinhalover
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    Ippokrates wrote: »
    Yeah @Zodiarkslayer , you are right, but imho both sets are... not a best option for stamsorc. Hunding's 3 item bonus is wasted on stamina and Automaton doesn't improve your LA. Which are kinda important for stamsorc due bound armaments... So maybe better think about sets for LA like Undaunted or Stormmaster.

    isn't 1000 stam = 98 weapon dmg? Seems pretty good to me.

    unfurtunaly undaunted infiltrator proc makes arms glow orange, and stormmaster for some reason only works once you do heavy attacks.
    hate heavy attack sets.
    I'm a sorceror why do all sets with storm or magic effects have to look so bad...ugh atm im using briarheart weps and i really dislike the visual effect, but could be worse.
    Edited by francesinhalover on July 13, 2021 7:23PM
    I am @fluffypallascat pc eu if someone wants to play together
    Shadow strike is the best cp passive ever!
  • Ippokrates
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    Ippokrates wrote: »
    Yeah @Zodiarkslayer , you are right, but imho both sets are... not a best option for stamsorc. Hunding's 3 item bonus is wasted on stamina and Automaton doesn't improve your LA. Which are kinda important for stamsorc due bound armaments... So maybe better think about sets for LA like Undaunted or Stormmaster.

    isn't 1000 stam = 98 weapon dmg? Seems pretty good to me.

    unfurtunaly undaunted infiltrator proc makes arms glow orange, and stormmaster for some reason only works once you do heavy attacks.
    hate heavy attack sets.
    I'm a sorceror why do all sets with storm or magic effects have to look so bad...ugh atm im using briarheart weps and i really dislike the visual effect, but could be worse.

    Yup, but only to skills, not LA.
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