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Them PvPers are really desparate
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Jaimeh✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Some PvPers are cool and have good sportmanship: just the other day, I was fighting with an enemy player outside a resource in Cyro, and when another player of their alliance came up and attacked me, he/she moved away, and waited out the fight. I killed the second player and then we resumed the fight. It ended up being a stalemate, but I appreciated that they kept it 1v1 when they could have probably killed me when that second player came up. It's true there were people camping questers everywhere during the event for cheap shots and points, but for every story like that there's nice stories as well, and that comes from a pve-er who's a bit of a potato at pvp
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The_Lex✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I love and hate MYM.
So, being sick of trying to do anything alone, they post in zone chat asking for a group....they are promptly ignored.
I trimmed this quote down to highlight the 1 thing that stood out.
It's the "promptly ignored" part that stands out to me.
Even outside MYM I've been completely ignored in zone chat trying to group up, so I've always struggled and eventually just leave.
PVP is a part of the game that interests me, so I keep going back and seeing if I can group up.
This is unfortunate, but true. I remember asking in zone chat once for a group. I was told, "DC doesn't group." The best thing to do if you're really interested in PvP is to join a PvP guild, assuming you have an open guild spot.Edited by The_Lex on July 6, 2021 4:57PM1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Look, I am far from a pvp'ing lover. But threads like this just give pve players a bad name. Putting a smiley face don't mask all the obvious salt either, just makes it passive aggressive.
Edited by spartaxoxo on July 6, 2021 5:30PM13 -
Girl_Number8✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Girl_Number8 wrote: »
Bah-Boom~!! 😆 Ouh....that is some sweet tel xD
Heh, if I was running a mag bomber maybe, but not on this build. I managed to wipe out a few stragglers, but eventually they'd all turn around and decimate me xD
Yh Yh toI zerg in the city with PvEers once a week for the Gladiator proofs, even when we're getting wrecked we have fun 😊zelaminator wrote: »
@Zerginator
Gladiator proofs are from the conquest missions in Cyro
Siege of Cyrodiil Merits are from the missions in ICEdited by Girl_Number8 on July 6, 2021 6:04PM0 -
xv1_me✭✭✭SeaGtGruff wrote: »for their last night/day of ganking enemy PvErs in IC. Enjoy it while you can, cuz we're all gonna be gone in a few more hours and then you all will have to go back to fighting each other.
You mean they will be killing npcs. No one pvps or goes into ic unless it’s an event.2 -
Greasytengu✭✭✭✭✭SeaGtGruff wrote: »for their last night/day of ganking enemy PvErs in IC. Enjoy it while you can, cuz we're all gonna be gone in a few more hours and then you all will have to go back to fighting each other.
You mean they will be killing npcs. No one pvps or goes into ic unless it’s an event.
Sadly, there is little reason to go into IC once you have everything from there. No long term goals other than getting enough telvar to buy your gubbins.
Its a shame, tunnel fights rule!" I nEeD HeAlInG!!! "1 -
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✭Ippokrates wrote: »Honestly, people organized quite well and most wannabe gankers or vixers ate the dirt in few minutes from their first attack. Sure, many of players were not prepare for pvp - it was quite funny when they attacked my pvp ha tank and before they were able to kill me (even in open field) I was killing them with few massive blows.
But still, something feels wrong about pvp and its dynamic. Maybe the battlespirits are not the best solution...
So you're the reason there were threads about "PVP-tanks being OP" then? ;-)0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭OutLaw_Nynx wrote: »I was not ganked once during this event. Heck, I didn’t even see other people at the towns while doing my quests.
I wish that people would take the copious advice that I’ve seen primarily PVP players offer.
I don't know if "ganked" was the best word to use. TBH, all the gamer lingo people like to use these days is fairly new to this old dog, so I sometimes have to look up stuff if I want to understand what people are saying, and there are often multiple definitions listed with different nuances between them. But my understanding is that being attacked while you're distracted and engaged in some activity that prevents you from being able to fight back "fairly" manner fits the broader definitions of being "ganked." In my case, I was in the midst of fighting Grievous Twilights and Dremoras(?) when I got attacked out of the blue, so I thought that was the term people use for that kind of situation. If you want to say that it doesn't fit one of the more specific, narrowly-worded meanings, then I won't quibble with you over the "correct" definition.
Anyway, this had happened twice in a row-- killed, release to base, jump back in to continue the quest, killed again, etc.-- and it just struck me funny at the time, like stepping outside and instantly being swarmed by Kotu Gavas, or wading into a lake and instantly being chomped on by Slaughterfish. And "desparate"(sp.) probably wasn't the best term, either, but it struck me as being like a feeding frenzy, or desperately hungry for blood.
That sort of thing doesn't stop me from jumping back down into an IC district as many times as I need to in order to get each of a quest's requirements accomplished, and I don't get upset or salty over it. As the many players who've killed me in IC know firsthand, I usually just stand there and don't fight back, and even occasionally put my weapon away, since I'm not interested in PvP and am happy to oblige the PvPers by letting them hack or blast away at me. The quicker they kill me, the sooner I can resurrect and jump back into the district. And since I typically have far less than 100 TV on me, I don't worry about losing any.
I know there are a lot of PvErs who dread this event, or who want a PvE-only version of Cyrodiil, etc., but I'm not one of them. I've always found this event to be exciting and fun. As I said earlier, anyone who's actually read my past and present posts about this event knows that I enjoy it. Although I'm personally not interested in the PvP aspects of it-- aside from maybe a bit of AvA siege action in Cyrodiil-- I view it as a sort of challenging game to try to complete a quest while avoiding the enemy.
So as far as taking or not taking people's advice on how to earn all of this event's tickets in a way that completely avoids or at least greatly minimizes the risk of PvP-- sorry, but I'm not interested in avoiding that risk, because it's part of the rush.
Some PvPers like to say that the players who are doing all the frenzied killing in IC aren't really PvPers, that they're really just PvErs who are using the event to capitalize on earning TV, AP, and XP, or something like that. I can neither confirm nor refute that claim, because I have no way of doing either.
But I would imagine that there are different kinds of PvPers, just as there are different kinds of PvErs. Cyrodiil seems to be more attractive to one type of PvPer, Battlegrounds to another type, and IC to another. I'm sure there are players who engage in all 3, or 2 out of 3, or maybe just focus on 1 of the 3. In any case, it strikes me as a bit disrespectful for Cyrodiil PvPers to suggest that the players killing other players in IC aren't really PvPers. All I know is, they are more interested in killing other players than in doing the PvE quests, so that seems like a PvPer to me.
I'll be back next event so you can kill me again-- and again, and again. And I'll still be having fun and laughing through it all.I've fought mudcrabs more fearsome than me!6 -
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✭✭SeaGtGruff wrote: »for their last night/day of ganking enemy PvErs in IC. Enjoy it while you can, cuz we're all gonna be gone in a few more hours and then you all will have to go back to fighting each other.
Bold of you to assume IC has players outside of events.
Perfect time for the PvErs who complain about being killed in IC during MYM because they jUsT wAnT tO qUeSt to get in there and do that questing, but I bet you they won't.3 -
zelaminator✭✭✭✭✭
✭SeaGtGruff wrote: »for their last night/day of ganking enemy PvErs in IC. Enjoy it while you can, cuz we're all gonna be gone in a few more hours and then you all will have to go back to fighting each other.
Bold of you to assume IC has players outside of events.
Perfect time for the PvErs who complain about being killed in IC during MYM because they jUsT wAnT tO qUeSt to get in there and do that questing, but I bet you they won't.
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Dagre2✭✭✭honestly, if the pvp in this game was any good the pvp population wouldn't be near non existent in the first place.0
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Cyro are playable around 100 ping. with others case if you dont have range weapon you can only dream about fight or image how should be look that fight- Where "Update on Cyrodiil Performance & Upcoming AOE Tests"? I wish ZOS would stop kicking players' balls, especially those on Cyro
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LyraEmber✭✭✭MrMazurski wrote: »
Cyro are playable around 100 ping. with others case if you dont have range weapon you can only dream about fight or image how should be look that fight
Incorrect. Cyrodiil does not have 100 ping, or anything close to it.4 -
shadyjane62✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭We pvpers were just as vulnerable to those gankers as you pvers.
The griefers were annoying and left me regretting participating. I usually just leave and go do something fun like laundry or dishes.1 -
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✭✭belial5221_ESO wrote: »Lady_Galadhiel wrote: »I did ignore IC in this event,not worth for one ticket.
Shoulda did like I did on low levels,jsut camp on top tower in Arena and wait til the ppl were saved,and hop back down ladder to IC.
I tell all pve people who are afraid of IC to do this. Fastest way to a ticket with the least amount of effort. And on a busy time you can get a kill 20 or kill 40 in there as well...Edited by blktauna on July 7, 2021 3:04AMPCNA
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LightYagami✭✭✭✭✭.LightYagami wrote: »SeaGtGruff wrote: »for their last night/day of ganking enemy PvErs in IC. Enjoy it while you can, cuz we're all gonna be gone in a few more hours and then you all will have to go back to fighting each other.
This is a PvP leaderboard Grand Overlord.
Most of us, experienced PvPers aren't interested in ganking PvEers. We have a war to fight. We like fighting against renowned PvPers and have fun.
Those you met in Cyrodiil or IC who desperately pick PvEers as their prey usually aren't one of us.
Many of us rather have a shorter queue and more real PvP fights on the battlefield.
I only WISH that were true. The was an alliance war lvl50(grand Overlord right?) along with a lvl27 and lvl35 sitting in Cheydinhal all jumping PvE questers(3 on 1) just doing the daily for the endeavor...these pitiful DC obviously didn't care about a challenge, or the alliance war, or anything but easy AP. (lol, they killed me when I went in on my PvE tank just quickly completing the endeavor...no surprise there).....so now I make a habit of killing them any way I can any time I see them in the scummiest way possible. I will wait till they are being chased by a zerg and low on health them jump in with a dragon leap, shoot them with coldfire, etc etc. I will happily admit that they are better PvPers than I am...but turnabout is fair play.
Let me restate and clarify, OP was talking about Ganking PvEers. I'm also especially talking about most of us are not interested in the action of deliberately ganking PvEers. BUT, if we see enemies in the war zone and kill them face to face, there's nothing wrong.
Many experienced PvPers simply don't enjoy intentionally waiting or finding PvEers as our prey. It's boring and waste of time and it waste of human resources. We'd rather kill some famous enemies, troll enemy faction, and make fun
By the way, I said "most" of us won't be interested in ganking PvEers. There are always some exceptions.
Many of us even complained that we wish the MyM ends sooner so that the queue will be shorter and we can play with 3 bars (or pop locked) PvPers instead of 2 bars PvEers plus one bar PvPers. We don't need extra AP desperately, we have more than enough AP already. We just want a better real PvP environment.No improvement on Cyrodill servers -> no ESO plus renewal.3 -
aetherial_heavenn✭✭✭✭✭LightYagami wrote: »SeaGtGruff wrote: »for their last night/day of ganking enemy PvErs in IC. Enjoy it while you can, cuz we're all gonna be gone in a few more hours and then you all will have to go back to fighting each other.
This is a PvP leaderboard Grand Overlord.
Most of us, experienced PvPers aren't interested in ganking PvEers. We have a war to fight. We like fighting against renowned PvPers and have fun.
Those you met in Cyrodiil or IC who desperately pick PvEers as their prey usually aren't one of us.
Many of us rather have a shorter queue and more real PvP fights on the battlefield.
I only WISH that were true. The was an alliance war lvl50(grand Overlord right?) along with a lvl27 and lvl35 sitting in Cheydinhal all jumping PvE questers(3 on 1) just doing the daily for the endeavor...these pitiful DC obviously didn't care about a challenge, or the alliance war, or anything but easy AP. (lol, they killed me when I went in on my PvE tank just quickly completing the endeavor...no surprise there).....so now I make a habit of killing them any way I can any time I see them in the scummiest way possible. I will wait till they are being chased by a zerg and low on health them jump in with a dragon leap, shoot them with coldfire, etc etc. I will happily admit that they are better PvPers than I am...but turnabout is fair play.
A few observations in an attempt to dispel the 'them v us' stuff these threads seem designed to engender. This is from a 5-star GO former Emp, who is also a regular vet trials player and is also someone who completes all zone quests/WB's, decorates houses, etc...( I like to play all aspects of the game, mood depending.)
Firstly, Yay! Shorter queues for GH!!!!
Secondly, PvE ers who are killed more than once aren't worth any AP at all to a regular PvPer. So those who kill questers over and over are likely the same people who picked on the weak in the schoolyard for fun ie bullies. They are doing it because they get their jollies/self esteem from humiliating others. They are just broken people and unfortunately any form of pretend combat seems to attract them. If you see a GO/5 star in a 7 day event campaign, camping PvEers, then you have met one of these sad people. Just go elsewhere.
However, in my experience, there are more PvE-ers who can't get AP from killing 'real' PvPers or by taking objectives solo, and aren't interested in open world PvP, so they hang around turn ins and 'eat their own' during MYM.
One small group fight against decent PvPers will net you hundreds of AP per dead player f they were any good. A keep defence for ten-fifteen minutes can net you 100's of AP per tag from killing or just damaging individual good players. Plus you can get tens of 1000s of AP from a decent D-Tick if you are successful. (50K was common on Grayhost on the weekend).You can rack up 100,000 AP per hour (not even trying to farm AP) as a mediocre soloer if you understand the map and where to be and who to avoid and how to solo a resource. So most PvPers are not interested in 20AP per kill from some poor low level squishy quester.
As for IC, I loathe the joint. I never solo in IC because I don't run an anti gank, or anti stealth NB/Sorc build and I have no desire to feed them/reward them for their preferred way of having fun. I never carry much Telvar if I do go there. If I do go, I go with a group to PvE in the sewers and get Telvar by killing the sewer bosses. ie I avoid PvP!Lots of PvE guilds do the same. Sometimes they will attempt the dailies in the city as group with voice chat to get the merits. This way, the group can deal with other PvE guild zergers if they show up, or rez people if they are ganked. Once you get your telvar,you just port retreat to base, and get out, with your telvar and self esteem intact.
Finally, People could just put on some resists/mits thru cheap crafted armour or good food, and just do BGs with 3 mates. Many of the BG matches require you to run around capturing/ carrying things, and being strategic, not just killing the most enemy players. While you are ranked low you'll get pitted against mostly new PvEers, not against specialist BG builds. Any over world solo boss killing, or arena build, can work for these types of quests.
eg. A spontaneous guild group i was in won the capture the flag battleground the other day despite having 1/3 the kills and 4 times the deaths (mostly mine) of the team that came second. This was despite that team being much better at the actual killing part of PvP. Some of us were even in PvE gear, but we played the actual flag game, avoided getting sucked into a pseudo death match against a much better team, so we led the medal count when it was over and got our match win credit, endeavor, box, etc.
TL:DR Brains can win over brawn. Even in PvP. Try it!
Quoted for truth
"In my experience, the elite ones have not been very toxic, and the toxic ones not very elite." WrathOfInnos4 -
Sephyr✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Greasytengu wrote: »SeaGtGruff wrote: »for their last night/day of ganking enemy PvErs in IC. Enjoy it while you can, cuz we're all gonna be gone in a few more hours and then you all will have to go back to fighting each other.
You mean they will be killing npcs. No one pvps or goes into ic unless it’s an event.
Sadly, there is little reason to go into IC once you have everything from there. No long term goals other than getting enough telvar to buy your gubbins.
Its a shame, tunnel fights rule!
There's still a few things! Mostly... You know... Crafting reagents, especially those alchemical satchels. Grind Tel Var off peak hours in spots that are rarely visited and then just spam open those satchels and make bank.
Kinda wish they'd include the DLC ingredients though.
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✭✭✭✭✭IC isn't as fun as the sewers, IMO, because there's not as much to do. The sewers are large enough to allow some exploration, and even though the individual rooms and tunnels are more cramped (smaller) than the districts, they connect in a way that feels like you're got more freedom to move around.
Cyrodiil has always been more fun for me than IC, but it's gotten to where I can't enjoy soloing resources because my stamina depletes and I can't do anything-- can't break free, can't roll dodge, can't use my stamina skills. I can understand why so many Cyrodiil PvPers get so frustrated and rage quit.
I'm not sure if it's just lag, or the changes to CP, or what, but it doesn't seem to happen in all locations.
Oddly enough, I seem to experience better performance on PC EU lately than on PC NA.I've fought mudcrabs more fearsome than me!0 -
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✭✭SeaGtGruff wrote: »Cyrodiil has always been more fun for me than IC, but it's gotten to where I can't enjoy soloing resources because my stamina depletes and I can't do anything-- can't break free, can't roll dodge, can't use my stamina skills. I can understand why so many Cyrodiil PvPers get so frustrated and rage quit.
I'm not sure if it's just lag, or the changes to CP, or what, but it doesn't seem to happen in all locations.
Oddly enough, I seem to experience better performance on PC EU lately than on PC NA.
And you've the same build over on PC EU as well?
If I had to take a guess, I'd say it's probably a combination of several factors though if PC EU has better performance I'm kinda stumped too, tbh. Especially if it's roughly the same build. I mean sure, CP will factor in here and there, but I wouldn't think that it would be the cause for something like that.
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PigofSteel✭✭✭✭amm7sb14_ESO wrote: »Ganking is how you identify the unskilled PVP'ers from the skilled PVP'ers.
What is skilled? Coordinated zergs destroying randoms in PvP?2 -
Pauwer✭✭✭✭✭I personally enjoy a good gank. Not many can do it. To me. But it is always impressive when it happens. Especially when you don't even see the nb at all, like not during the attack or the death. If anyone who is bad at pvp can do that, color me impressed.1
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anitajoneb17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Long story short :
- I go to IC/arena, walk inside the arena, see a chest with noone around. Proceed to unlock the chest, get killed.
- I respawn, go back to the chest, proceed to unlock, get killed again. Realize that chest is being camped by an invisible player.
- I respawn, go back to the chest, drop a couple of AOEs to chase the camper away, unlock and loot the chest (finally) and then get killed again.
So far so good : I got my chest ! And I don't care being killed 3 times over, since I have no Tel Var and it takes about 10 seconds to respawn and come back.
Problem : I had forgotten about my number 1 rule in PvP : offline status.
That player who killed me three times started nagging me in whispers. Not realizing that my goal was simply to get that chest and that I'd put no value, either positive nor negative, in killing anyone nor in being killed.
That's the kind of mentality that's truly off-putting.0
