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Cyrodiil Performance Issues - Game Breaking?

jristaub17_ESO
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I just got back into PvP after taking a break for about a year...it was around this time last year that I gave up, as the performance issues were so bad. With MYM back on, I decided to give it another try. I am beyond words at this point. After waiting a YEAR for ESO to fix the issues, I find that Cyro is FAR WORSE than it ever was before! The only way to describe it is: UTTERLY UNPLAYABLE.

It is beyond infuriating to find, after taking about a year break from PvP, hoping that the next time I tried, they would have fixed the issues....to find that now? Its WAY WORSE!!! UTTERLY UNPLAYABLE.

It boggles my mind how game companies repeatedly get away with selling, taking money for, BROKEN products. Yet they do. Worse, they are also able to hid behind the wall of the internet, and never once actually come out and explain themselves to their PAYING CUSTOMERS!! ZOS is completely absent, save for the occasional moderation post, in explaining anything here. PvP, especially in Cyro, gets worse every time they release something. Its completely unplayable now. Even simple PvE interactions, utterly unplayable. I can run through my rotation several times, before the server even recognizes my FIRST skill and does a tiny sliver of damage, and yet the NPC damage to me seems to be local-only and thus real-time. Utterly unplayable.

ZOS, you should be ashamed of your conduct with regards to PvP in your game. I've paid monthly for your service for years. I'm telling you, and hopefully the rest of the game industry, this is unacceptable. This is wrong, to continue to take money from your customers, while selling them a BROKEN product. Unacceptable and wrong.

I'm curious how many other players experience the same atrocious experience I do in Cyrodiil (and really, PvP in general):

Cyrodiil Performance Issues - Game Breaking? 89 votes

Blazing Fast
3%
alanmatillab16_ESOpleximusmaboleth 3 votes
Pretty Fast
6%
MuffinmanactoshDerAlleinTigergroober13Starlight_WhisperxSurge 6 votes
Playable - Could Be Better
12%
Arrodisiamark.alexander5neb18_ESOSheridanDestaiRaddlemanNumber7NarvuntienSirPawsjecks33nukk3rThePianistconfettibae 11 votes
Rather Slow
12%
IdinuseGreasyDaveHexquisiteSjuRyath_WaylanderMariusghost84Wyrd88LoneStar2911ThreeXBBendToEndLady_Galadhiel 11 votes
Extremely Slow
15%
DTStormfoxAektanncopitocyclonus11jhall03mikemaconWaltherCarrawayChickenSuckerzvavimarkulrich1966Bucky_13LightYagamiJimmyTortelliniBilkton 14 votes
Utterly Unplayable
49%
Alurriajristaub17_ESOphueingwmayarboldscotMicallefEvergnarcoonie20Elo106meekeyceeAlucardoCelephantsylvius_BornasfinmoFreakin_HytteGreasytenguLordSarevokClawOfTheTwoMoonsGlorphNoldorinJierdanitxxVARLEYxxoXI_Viper_IXo 44 votes
  • xv1_me
    xv1_me
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    Utterly Unplayable
    I leave within minutes everytime I enter cyrodil, even if I’ve waited three hours for a queue.

    It’s kind of playable with 1 bar across all factions but even then guards lag me out and throw invisible frags when I go to a resource.
    Edited by xv1_me on June 28, 2021 4:36AM
  • VilniusNastavnik
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    Utterly Unplayable
    Been this way since day 1 year 1. There is a reason I only go in when i'm running low on transmutation crystals.
    Active Toons:
    NA - VilniusNastavnik - Magsorc DPS - Altmer
    NA - Ko'h Nehko'h - Stamblade Archer - Khajit
    NA - Arwyn Winterlight - MagPlar Healer - Breton
    NA - Urog Blackfang - DK Tank - Orc
    NA - Elen Windsong - Stamsorc DPS - Bosmer
    NA - Eats-Strange-Fungus - Magden HealzTank- Argonian
    NA - Harwyn Northwind - MagWarden DPS - High Elf
    NA - Raises-Many-Families - Necro HealzTank - Argonian

    Picture of my Active Toons.

    Location: Australia - Wollongong, NSW - Sydney.

    Obligatory ESO Fashion website plug: Vil's Portfolio
  • Ryath_Waylander
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    Rather Slow
    The sad thing is, you get used to lower standards. I'm quite happy that I've been at, at least 3 seiges last night that had 50k tics, without crashing. Times were, I couldn't get within 500m of the keep without it crashing to the login page. So it's bad, but I want to play, so I'm happy for scraps. That being said, I'm a healer. It must be absolutely untenable on a dd.
  • LightYagami
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    Extremely Slow
    To players only tried PvP during MYM:

    Cyrodiil servers are temporarily improved during MYM. If you want to know how the servers perform usually, please visit Gray Host during prime time, or maybe just anytime after MYM.

    You may experience ping spike, desync, getting 5 hits in less than 1 second from one enemy, disconnection, unable to cast skills, unable to swap bars, unable to break free, unable to light attack, etc.
    Edited by LightYagami on June 28, 2021 5:14AM
    No improvement on Cyrodill servers -> no ESO plus renewal.
  • ClawOfTheTwoMoons
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    Utterly Unplayable
    [snip] Very unfortunate. I really hope now that Microsoft owns them, we can see some sort of improvement in the future. I won't hold my breath though.

    [snipped for bashing]
    Edited by ZOS_Icy on June 28, 2021 12:50PM
  • Narvuntien
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    Playable - Could Be Better
    You get used to the lag. You have to stop trying to Ego it in Cryo it might as well be flipping a coin its complete chaos
  • Zabagad
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    Utterly Unplayable
    100% the same experience - except I had no 1year break.

    Since U25 I always liked MYM and was waiting for the next event, bc performance wise it was always the best time.
    This is the first MYM where I can't say it's better then "normal", bc the maybe (some ppl say it's better) difference between 5- and 6 is to low for me to recognize. It remains unplayable for me.
    As a non-pet sorc since 2016 the U46 Patch Notes sound like: "Those who do not wish to interact with the pet gameplay can now replace this skill line eso as a whole."
  • madrab73
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    To players only tried PvP during MYM:

    Cyrodiil servers are temporarily improved during MYM. If you want to know how the servers perform usually, please visit Gray Host during prime time, or maybe just anytime after MYM.

    You may experience ping spike, desync, getting 5 hits in less than 1 second from one enemy, disconnection, unable to cast skills, unable to swap bars, unable to break free, unable to light attack, etc.

    Exactly. Performance is slightly better than normal if you can get past huge queue. Not sure ZOS have the time to fix it and roll out so many new loot boxes for the store.
  • Flamebait
    Flamebait
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    Utterly Unplayable
    I actually got bored and times it earlier today. I had a 7 second cast time on dizzying swing for about 1 hour or so and most of the skills in the game don't even fire. I watched as a lot of the people in the area didn't so much move as they just jumped from place to place as the server couldn't seem to keep up. Also really fun getting a death report that shows you die, then your skills go off and the person you were fighting dies like 5 seconds after you are dead. Really top notch game experience for a big event showing off PVP.
  • Alucardo
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    Utterly Unplayable
    It's situational. In the extra campaigns where there's not as many players it's somewhat Playable, but could be better. However my home campaign is utterly unplayable. Which sucks because, well, it's my home campaign and I'd like to earn my end of campaign rewards. I can't though, because

    a) The queue is so long to get into during MYM that I can't be bothered waiting
    b) Once I'm finally in there I can't enjoy it because of performance, so what's the the point

    It's pretty demoralizing to say the least.
  • Knockmaker
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    Utterly Unplayable
    Performance has degraded significantly lately. With the MYM and possibly the additional resources allocated, it is slightly better but still on the unplayable level. Last night for example was particularly horrendous. A lot of people crashed (pc eu gray host, ofc), the lag and other issues.

    Seriously demotivating a lot of players. Personally, either this, or a potential attempt towards a more p2w mmo will be the reason I'll quit eso someday. Former one seems way more likely tbh.
  • Xandreia_
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    The sad thing is what you're experiencing is the improved pvp lol usually you cant do anything! MYM is probably the best 2 weeks to pvp.

    I love how they improve pvp for 2 weeks every 6 months but the rest of the time it's just a [snip] show 😬

    [snipped for profanity]
    Edited by ZOS_Icy on June 28, 2021 12:49PM
  • Muffinman
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    Pretty Fast
    What is "utterly unplayable"? Low frame rate? Or input lag?

    Frame rate is fine on PS5 and great on PC, input lag is acceptable, much improved over a year ago and you can actually use normal rotations in fights.
  • DTStormfox
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    Extremely Slow
    I don't really understand the labels of the answers in relationship with the question.
    Anyhows. Yes, Cyrodiil performance is often game-breaking.
    Only responds to constructive replies/mentions

    Immortal-Legends Guild Master
    Veteran PvP player


  • xSurge
    xSurge
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    Pretty Fast
    Dunno, I haven't had game breaking issues. I have had a few hiccups when there were large amounts of players on the screen, but nothing that made it hard to play. I just get killed because I suck at cyro.
  • confettibae
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    Playable - Could Be Better
    Eh… I was doing more PvP than PvE slowly until the week of the update, without going into it too much I stopped all PvE after the getting the kilt, I just log straight into Cyro now.

    Performance is bad, yes, but for me its just different bad- in some cases better, as there are glitches outside of cyro that I do not suffer from there. Most glitches in Cyro are at least humorous.There was a point today where I’m not sure if I was cc’d for 5 whole minutes or lag or sudden molasses syndrome but I just healed through it, was a pretty great fight actually…

    You get used to that stuff. It sucks when you lose a lancer to it. It sucks when you are pretty sure you got one shotted and didn’t see an enemy but your toggle says that sorc fired a couple heavy attacks some crystal frags a daedric mine and an ult before his procs hit you- but I would still rather that than be doing the same trials on repeat for gear or getting stuck in the room after the alligator boss again on wayrest sewers because the door gets bugged and I just wanted some keys for new shoulders.
  • Starlight_Whisper
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    Pretty Fast
    Skills not firing twice in like 5 hours there. Then imperial city can't go back into base cause queue full in 1 bar server, error like 10 times (no joke).

    Otherwise it worked but cydrolli is super meh compared to battlegrounds
    Edited by Starlight_Whisper on June 28, 2021 10:36AM
  • jristaub17_ESO
    jristaub17_ESO
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    Utterly Unplayable
    The sad thing is, you get used to lower standards. I'm quite happy that I've been at, at least 3 seiges last night that had 50k tics, without crashing. Times were, I couldn't get within 500m of the keep without it crashing to the login page. So it's bad, but I want to play, so I'm happy for scraps. That being said, I'm a healer. It must be absolutely untenable on a dd.

    This is the saddest thing of all...that such severe problems exist for so long, that we just "get used to it"... Game companies should truly be ashamed of themselves for that.

    I hear you about the crashing. I can't even count how many times Cyro has crashed for me the last month. Right this very moment, I'm stuck in a loading screen in IC. Was jumping between the city and my base, and it just seems to have hung. Its atrocious... Its just plain wrong...

    And...there it goes. I'm back at the loading screen now. :neutral:
  • jristaub17_ESO
    jristaub17_ESO
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    Utterly Unplayable
    Skills not firing twice in like 5 hours there. Then imperial city can't go back into base cause queue full in 1 bar server, error like 10 times (no joke).

    Otherwise it worked but cydrolli is super meh compared to battlegrounds

    Yeah, the queueing error with IC is the other major issue, and is absolutely ridiculous. I'm now at the point where I just leave for 2-3 minutes, then come back and THEN try to jump between base and city or vice versa. For some reason, there seems to be a token or something identifying you in the queue, that doesn't get removed from the queue right away when jumping. Just...dumb.
  • jristaub17_ESO
    jristaub17_ESO
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    Utterly Unplayable
    Eh… I was doing more PvP than PvE slowly until the week of the update, without going into it too much I stopped all PvE after the getting the kilt, I just log straight into Cyro now.

    Performance is bad, yes, but for me its just different bad- in some cases better, as there are glitches outside of cyro that I do not suffer from there. Most glitches in Cyro are at least humorous.There was a point today where I’m not sure if I was cc’d for 5 whole minutes or lag or sudden molasses syndrome but I just healed through it, was a pretty great fight actually…

    You get used to that stuff. It sucks when you lose a lancer to it. It sucks when you are pretty sure you got one shotted and didn’t see an enemy but your toggle says that sorc fired a couple heavy attacks some crystal frags a daedric mine and an ult before his procs hit you- but I would still rather that than be doing the same trials on repeat for gear or getting stuck in the room after the alligator boss again on wayrest sewers because the door gets bugged and I just wanted some keys for new shoulders.

    In my case, I literally cannot play. The lag is so bad, that my skills don't seem to do anything. Even my movement...when I finally die (or rather, when my death on the server finally catches up to me locally), I'm often in an entirely different place than I was a moment before. Most of the time, I am fighting when I have apparently already been dead for a couple of minutes or so. Its literally unplayable.

    Even when I'm just on my own, trying to do daily town quests or something...its largely the same just fighting the NPCs. I'll be capping a town or something, thinking its all "fine" (I mean, fine like slogging through a swamp of molasses "fine"), when suddenly I'm dead, and often in a different place.

    I'd love to get used to it...but its truly, literally, actually unplayable in my case. >.<
  • jristaub17_ESO
    jristaub17_ESO
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    Utterly Unplayable
    @ZOS: I hope you guys are paying some attention here...nearly 80% of players who have responded so far, are saying PvP is slow to unplayable. Why don't you guys put any effort into solving this issue? Its systemic, and it does matter!
  • FangOfTheTwoMoons
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    Utterly Unplayable
    It's sad to see the game in this state. If we were told it would take 5+ years to fix these issues when they first started, I'm sure a lot of us wouldn't still be here. To he honest, I don't think the devs even have any idea as to what's going on. Every test results in nothing. Every hypothesis is proven wrong. It seems we only go backwards.

    This isnt me bashing the devs, for all we know it's a complicated issue. The problem I have is we never hear anything about it, yet the wheel keeps turning. I'd rather hear that they have no idea what's going on, than to have tests that result in nothing, and radio silence. Not even an apology.
    Edited by FangOfTheTwoMoons on June 28, 2021 11:28PM
  • electriczzz
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    Utterly Unplayable
    I loved cyro for nearly five years but I am slowly giving up on it, doing some pvp there, here and now but if there's any MMO coming out with similar faction pvp I'm out of eso far quicker than anyone could fire skills in cyro at prime time.
    Edited by electriczzz on June 29, 2021 1:52AM
  • jristaub17_ESO
    jristaub17_ESO
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    Utterly Unplayable
    This isnt me bashing the devs, for all we know it's a complicated issue. The problem I have is we never hear anything about it, yet the wheel keeps turning. I'd rather hear that they have no idea what's going on, than to have tests that result in nothing, and radio silence. Not even an apology.

    This is really the issue, right here. The absolute radio silence. Its just rude, especially to those who have stuck around hoping for something to improve. The lack of communication from ZOS in general is the real problem with ESO. I love the game overall. Its beautiful, the PvE is extremely fun, and I enjoy the regular new storylines. ZOS needs to treat their user base better...a bit of communication goes a heck of a long way.

  • jristaub17_ESO
    jristaub17_ESO
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    Utterly Unplayable
    As a software engineer and architect of over 30 years...it baffles me that ZOS cannot figure out a way to test the issues with Cyrodiil. If that indeed really is the problem, and not just them avoiding spending money on necessary upgrades to the megaserver infrastructure in order to handle the kind of load they have these days...which I cannot help but suspect could also/alternatively be the issue.

    Anyway, this really shouldn't be that hard to test. There is a very simple example of the problem. Summoning your horse. That usually takes several seconds in Cyro, whereas its usually instantaneous anywhere else. I suspect whatever causes that, is probably also playing a role in the rest of the issues in Cyro...it doesn't really feel like "lag", although when pings get up to 300ms or so, that is definitely a compounding issue. The issue is more of a sync issue or something, where the server is working and that takes a while, before it can respond back to the client that its acknowledged (I don't know the inner workings of ESO's protocol, so I'm just hypothesizing here).

    That really shouldn't be hard to test. Set up a test server. Create a bunch of artificial actors to stand in for humans, and program them to behave like players. Dancing around, attacking a lot with weaves, smashing each other to mush with executions, jumping around the zone, completing quests, etc. Stuff to saturate the communications channels to the server, and swamp the server. Then just log out everything that happens, with timings, with the communications protocol and server execution path for just ONE of those actors. Trace the sequence of behavior, identify the bottleneck(s), and...fix em.

    Testing is a critical developer skill. ZOS should have at least one person capable of handling creating and executing effective testing scenarios for issues like this. This should not be a hard problem to solve...
  • Sephyr
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    Utterly Unplayable
    I've often wondered if Battle Spirit was the cause of some of the issues we're seeing since there are calculations that has to go through it. I miss the old Cyrodiil system, where the boons existed outside of the campaigns and there was a reason to root for your Alliance as well, but more over things seemed to just work better back then. At least better than what it is now.
  • pleximus
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    Blazing Fast
    It wasn't just Cyrodiil. My game crashed 3 times in 15 minutes while being in Imperial City campaign yesterday.

    Edit: Ugh, I voted "blazing fast" instead of "utterly unplayable". Just so you know that a vote was cast wrong.
    Edited by pleximus on July 2, 2021 5:56AM
  • nukk3r
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    Playable - Could Be Better
    ZOS, you should be ashamed of your conduct with regards to PvP in your game. I've paid monthly for your service for years. I'm telling you, and hopefully the rest of the game industry, this is unacceptable. This is wrong, to continue to take money from your customers, while selling them a BROKEN product. Unacceptable and wrong.
    Except ZOS don't take your money, you give your money to them. If you're not satisfied with the service, don't buy new content, cancel your subscription, extend your break indefinitely.

    The game has its issues, sure. Sometimes skills don't fire off, sometimes I don't even see the animations of incoming damage but usually it's just during a couple of fights between full faction stacks out of a 4 hours long session. Most of the time it's kinda slow but playable.
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