Will there be an ASIAN megaserver in future?

lizaro · June 2021

So I brought eso in maybe 2017 or so. And from then I'm waiting for an Asian megaserver! In 2017 I used to get like 150 latency in Cyrodill and now it's 200-250 so doing pvp became just absolutely horrible and frustrating as I play in EU megaserver from India. It's been like that from 2019 and hasn't been fixed so why not release an Asian megaserver to fix the high ping issue!

xeNNNNN · June 2021

Unlikely, the aussies have been trying to get a server for years, they keep getitng told no. So my guess is no.

kojou · June 2021

Given the performance issues and the amount of players, I wonder if ZoS should rethink this. It would probably take a load off the NA and EU servers. I would also be curious how populated it would be.

Elsonso · June 2021

kojou wrote: »

Given the performance issues and the amount of players, I wonder if ZoS should rethink this. It would probably take a load off the NA and EU servers. I would also be curious how populated it would be.

It would take a load off, but these megaservers are huge (floor space and capacity) and three more of them would be a massive undertaking. I am talking not only the task of finding a site and building the megaserver but years of ongoing maintenance of that server. Multiplied by 3.

It would have to be very populated, with lots of people buying the game, Crowns, and ESO Plus.

kmontywrwb17_ESO · June 2021

Fix the back-end so the game can run in the cloud, then have servers in every place imaginable. M$ can do it.

kojou · June 2021

Elsonso wrote: »

kojou wrote: »

Given the performance issues and the amount of players, I wonder if ZoS should rethink this. It would probably take a load off the NA and EU servers. I would also be curious how populated it would be.

It would take a load off, but these megaservers are huge (floor space and capacity) and three more of them would be a massive undertaking. I am talking not only the task of finding a site and building the megaserver but years of ongoing maintenance of that server. Multiplied by 3.

It would have to be very populated, with lots of people buying the game, Crowns, and ESO Plus.

Obviously they would have to do an ROI based on the number of players that are in areas that would use said server. I am just curious if things have changed since they thought about it last, because the servers seem to be very well populated now, and perhaps there would be a more APAC players that would come back to the game, play and subscribe if the latency and experience was better.

Keep in mind, there are some places in Asia where datacenter floor space and human resources are a lot cheaper than in the US.

ATomiX69 · June 2021

If they ever wanted to make a SEA server for asian players and people from the oceanic region it would have already happened long ago, but since it doesnt affect the majority of the p(l)ayers, doubt theyll go through the trouble of setting up a new data-center, hiring staff for maintainance, etc.

trackdemon5512 · June 2021

See the following as to why there isn’t an OCEANIA server and transfer it over.

Also with China there are massive logistical and legal issues with operating an MMO involving corporations and such that go well beyond a potential player base and servers.

As such don’t expect to see a dedicated ASIA server.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/463360/anz-oceanic-server-announcement-from-zos/p1

kmontywrwb17_ESO · June 2021

trackdemon5512 wrote: »

See the following as to why there isn’t an OCEANIA server and transfer it over.

Also with China there are massive logistical and legal issues with operating an MMO involving corporations and such that go well beyond a potential player base and servers.

As such don’t expect to see a dedicated ASIA server.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/463360/anz-oceanic-server-announcement-from-zos/p1

Dude, I don't know how many times it needs to be said, but Asia is not China.

Their megaserver population explanation is not unreasonable, but it really just underscores the age of their tech.

ElliottXO · June 2021

Elsonso wrote: »

kojou wrote: »

Given the performance issues and the amount of players, I wonder if ZoS should rethink this. It would probably take a load off the NA and EU servers. I would also be curious how populated it would be.

It would take a load off, but these megaservers are huge (floor space and capacity) and three more of them would be a massive undertaking. I am talking not only the task of finding a site and building the megaserver but years of ongoing maintenance of that server. Multiplied by 3.

It would have to be very populated, with lots of people buying the game, Crowns, and ESO Plus.

I'm pretty sure they simply use a datacenter provider. Even World of Warcraft doesn't build and maintain its own physical server structure. But yeah, it still takes a lot of effort to run a third megaserver.

notyuu · June 2021

kmontywrwb17_ESO wrote: »

Fix the back-end so the game can run in the cloud, then have servers in every place imaginable. M$ can do it.

can do it? kinda...it'd be a TON of work (think remaking the entire damn game)

should do it? Hell naw, for a long list of reasons which ulitatmly lead to Stadia being the latest in a long line of cloud gaming services to come and go

Elsonso · June 2021

kmontywrwb17_ESO wrote: »

Fix the back-end so the game can run in the cloud, then have servers in every place imaginable. M$ can do it.

Surprisingly, "the cloud" is not the answer to every server problem. Internet latency does not magically disappear in "the cloud". For there to be any performance improvement, the game would have to be rewritten from the ground up, and probably done on a smaller scale than what we have today.

trackdemon5512 · June 2021

kmontywrwb17_ESO wrote: »

trackdemon5512 wrote: »

See the following as to why there isn’t an OCEANIA server and transfer it over.

Also with China there are massive logistical and legal issues with operating an MMO involving corporations and such that go well beyond a potential player base and servers.

As such don’t expect to see a dedicated ASIA server.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/463360/anz-oceanic-server-announcement-from-zos/p1

Dude, I don't know how many times it needs to be said, but Asia is not China.

Their megaserver population explanation is not unreasonable, but it really just underscores the age of their tech.

Of course we know ASIA is not CHINA but in this day and age when taking into considerations an MMORPG China factors greatly for the region with the largest population of PC users. As such it factors in greatly into whether or not to provide a megaserver service to the entire area of the globe.

In fact an official Chinese release would be grounds for a new Megaserver with such a robust population and consoles being released to the public unlike 20 years ago. The cost of an ASIA megaserver would likely be justified as would any other changes. Don’t forget that ESO is currently only in four languages: English, German, French, and Russian, along with a unique Japanese client. The Japanese client means that a large section of ASIA already plays on the NA server and switching them to a new server is impossible.

LashanW · June 2021

lizaro wrote: »

So I brought eso in maybe 2017 or so. And from then I'm waiting for an Asian megaserver! In 2017 I used to get like 150 latency in Cyrodill and now it's 200-250 so doing pvp became just absolutely horrible and frustrating as I play in EU megaserver from India. It's been like that from 2019 and hasn't been fixed so why not release an Asian megaserver to fix the high ping issue!

I'm in the same boat as you. 2019 and before the EU server was fine for Asians but now its performance is garbage. The NA server which is literally twice as far away seems to work a bit better. Only ZoS can truly answer why they haven't made an Asian/SEA megaserver by now, I guess they don't consider the investment to be worth it. I'd love one tho.

trackdemon5512 wrote: »

The Japanese client means that a large section of ASIA already plays on the NA server and switching them to a new server is impossible.

What do you mean impossible? It's technically possible to account transfer to a different server if the server is newly launched (since its databases would be empty at launch). They did it when console servers launched back in 2015.

dem0n1k · June 2021

There was a mega-thread about it on these forums a while back when the Oceanic region pings went up to 350+ minimum. ZOS made an official announcement in that thread that the Oceanic region would NOT get it's own server because they did not believe that Oceanic players would enjoy the experience! XD

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/463360/anz-oceanic-server-announcement-from-zos/p1

ESO_Nightingale · June 2021

dem0n1k wrote: »

There was a mega-thread about it on these forums a while back when the Oceanic region pings went up to 350+ minimum. ZOS made an official announcement in that thread that the Oceanic region would NOT get it's own server because they did not believe that Oceanic players would enjoy the experience! XD

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/463360/anz-oceanic-server-announcement-from-zos/p1

yeah they didn't address an asian server though, i wonder what they feel about that lol.

kmontywrwb17_ESO · June 2021

Elsonso wrote: »

kmontywrwb17_ESO wrote: »

Fix the back-end so the game can run in the cloud, then have servers in every place imaginable. M$ can do it.

Surprisingly, "the cloud" is not the answer to every server problem. Internet latency does not magically disappear in "the cloud". For there to be any performance improvement, the game would have to be rewritten from the ground up, and probably done on a smaller scale than what we have today.

This isn't about performance improvement (a separate topic), it's about internet latency that comes with distance. The benefit of having a game able to run in "the cloud" just means their back end is written to scale across the worldwide server architecture provided by companies like Amazon, Google, and in this case Microsoft. The only latency is normal internet latency - which is the whole point of putting it in the cloud i.e. it provides servers as close as possible to players wherever they are.

However, their point about having large numbers of players on each megaserver is hard to argue against. I'm not a backend programmer, but I'm pretty sure that functionality obviates cloud server architecture. EVE does the same thing - actually it has a massive single server using literally cutting edge server tech.

So unless it ever becomes viable for them to host a megaserver in SE Asia, we're stuck with high pings. For me and players like me, that gives the game a pretty short shelf life. I'll jump immediately to the next MMO that offers decent pings with a similar level of world building and gameplay.

Folkb · June 2021

Doubt it. All of Asia is playing FF14

lizaro · June 2021

dem0n1k wrote: »

There was a mega-thread about it on these forums a while back when the Oceanic region pings went up to 350+ minimum. ZOS made an official announcement in that thread that the Oceanic region would NOT get it's own server because they did not believe that Oceanic players would enjoy the experience! XD

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/463360/anz-oceanic-server-announcement-from-zos/p1

That could be the biggest joke of the Universe lmao xD

lizaro · June 2021

xeNNNNN wrote: »

Unlikely, the aussies have been trying to get a server for years, they keep getitng told no. So my guess is no.

How much latency Aussies get? can't more than SEA xD
Pvp event is going on and my latency is 250-300 like how am I suppose to play the damn game(pvp)!

lizaro · June 2021

LashanW wrote: »

lizaro wrote: »

So I brought eso in maybe 2017 or so. And from then I'm waiting for an Asian megaserver! In 2017 I used to get like 150 latency in Cyrodill and now it's 200-250 so doing pvp became just absolutely horrible and frustrating as I play in EU megaserver from India. It's been like that from 2019 and hasn't been fixed so why not release an Asian megaserver to fix the high ping issue!

I'm in the same boat as you. 2019 and before the EU server was fine for Asians but now its performance is garbage. The NA server which is literally twice as far away seems to work a bit better. Only ZoS can truly answer why they haven't made an Asian/SEA megaserver by now, I guess they don't consider the investment to be worth it. I'd love one tho.

trackdemon5512 wrote: »

The Japanese client means that a large section of ASIA already plays on the NA server and switching them to a new server is impossible.

What do you mean impossible? It's technically possible to account transfer to a different server if the server is newly launched (since its databases would be empty at launch). They did it when console servers launched back in 2015.

How it's not worth doing I donno! I see so many ASIAN players in ESO, specially from India, Pakistan, Russia etc.
Every game has a SEA server system and the maintenance would be very cheap as well as the costing is so less in ASIAN countries!

This is the only reason I left eso for 2 times, last time I left it's was before Greymore I think. The game was basically unplayable.

kargen27 · June 2021

LashanW wrote: »

lizaro wrote: »

So I brought eso in maybe 2017 or so. And from then I'm waiting for an Asian megaserver! In 2017 I used to get like 150 latency in Cyrodill and now it's 200-250 so doing pvp became just absolutely horrible and frustrating as I play in EU megaserver from India. It's been like that from 2019 and hasn't been fixed so why not release an Asian megaserver to fix the high ping issue!

I'm in the same boat as you. 2019 and before the EU server was fine for Asians but now its performance is garbage. The NA server which is literally twice as far away seems to work a bit better. Only ZoS can truly answer why they haven't made an Asian/SEA megaserver by now, I guess they don't consider the investment to be worth it. I'd love one tho.

trackdemon5512 wrote: »

The Japanese client means that a large section of ASIA already plays on the NA server and switching them to a new server is impossible.

What do you mean impossible? It's technically possible to account transfer to a different server if the server is newly launched (since its databases would be empty at launch). They did it when console servers launched back in 2015.

That was different. They copied accounts from NA PC to NA consoles and EU PC to EU consoles. With the possibility of players migrating from two servers to one there would likely be conflicts with character names and other things.

trackdemon5512 · June 2021

LashanW wrote: »

lizaro wrote: »

So I brought eso in maybe 2017 or so. And from then I'm waiting for an Asian megaserver! In 2017 I used to get like 150 latency in Cyrodill and now it's 200-250 so doing pvp became just absolutely horrible and frustrating as I play in EU megaserver from India. It's been like that from 2019 and hasn't been fixed so why not release an Asian megaserver to fix the high ping issue!

I'm in the same boat as you. 2019 and before the EU server was fine for Asians but now its performance is garbage. The NA server which is literally twice as far away seems to work a bit better. Only ZoS can truly answer why they haven't made an Asian/SEA megaserver by now, I guess they don't consider the investment to be worth it. I'd love one tho.

trackdemon5512 wrote: »

The Japanese client means that a large section of ASIA already plays on the NA server and switching them to a new server is impossible.

What do you mean impossible? It's technically possible to account transfer to a different server if the server is newly launched (since its databases would be empty at launch). They did it when console servers launched back in 2015.

When the PC to CONSOLE transfer was done 7 years ago it was with a blank database. But one of the bigger problems today is what exactly would a transfer involve? How much baggage is there from the vestiges of an engine that has been removed piece by piece? How many conflicts when new systems upon new systems have been added on top?

And if the game were to be released in Asia, with China being more than likely a key factor, what data is allowable to be transferred? With state censorship and heavier vetting of content, not to mention so many other countries dealing with the same server it becomes clear that an ASIA server is a severe headache.

SteveCampsOut · June 2021

trackdemon5512 wrote: »

kmontywrwb17_ESO wrote: »

trackdemon5512 wrote: »

See the following as to why there isn’t an OCEANIA server and transfer it over.

Also with China there are massive logistical and legal issues with operating an MMO involving corporations and such that go well beyond a potential player base and servers.

As such don’t expect to see a dedicated ASIA server.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/463360/anz-oceanic-server-announcement-from-zos/p1

Dude, I don't know how many times it needs to be said, but Asia is not China.

Their megaserver population explanation is not unreasonable, but it really just underscores the age of their tech.

Of course we know ASIA is not CHINA but in this day and age when taking into considerations an MMORPG China factors greatly for the region with the largest population of PC users. As such it factors in greatly into whether or not to provide a megaserver service to the entire area of the globe.

In fact an official Chinese release would be grounds for a new Megaserver with such a robust population and consoles being released to the public unlike 20 years ago. The cost of an ASIA megaserver would likely be justified as would any other changes. Don’t forget that ESO is currently only in four languages: English, German, French, and Russian, along with a unique Japanese client. The Japanese client means that a large section of ASIA already plays on the NA server and switching them to a new server is impossible.

Nothing is impossible! They switched a huge portion of PC players to Consoles when they first came out [snip]

[edited for baiting]

kargen27 · June 2021

SteveCampsOut wrote: »

trackdemon5512 wrote: »

kmontywrwb17_ESO wrote: »

trackdemon5512 wrote: »

See the following as to why there isn’t an OCEANIA server and transfer it over.

Also with China there are massive logistical and legal issues with operating an MMO involving corporations and such that go well beyond a potential player base and servers.

As such don’t expect to see a dedicated ASIA server.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/463360/anz-oceanic-server-announcement-from-zos/p1

Dude, I don't know how many times it needs to be said, but Asia is not China.

Their megaserver population explanation is not unreasonable, but it really just underscores the age of their tech.

Of course we know ASIA is not CHINA but in this day and age when taking into considerations an MMORPG China factors greatly for the region with the largest population of PC users. As such it factors in greatly into whether or not to provide a megaserver service to the entire area of the globe.

In fact an official Chinese release would be grounds for a new Megaserver with such a robust population and consoles being released to the public unlike 20 years ago. The cost of an ASIA megaserver would likely be justified as would any other changes. Don’t forget that ESO is currently only in four languages: English, German, French, and Russian, along with a unique Japanese client. The Japanese client means that a large section of ASIA already plays on the NA server and switching them to a new server is impossible.

Nothing is impossible! They switched a huge portion of PC players to Consoles when they first came out [snip]

Yeah one data base to an empty server. Now it would be data from two separate servers. There would be conflicts that were not there when the PC to console switch was made. Same reason they don't transfer accounts from EU to NA.

[edited to remove quote]

LadyLethalla · June 2021

lizaro wrote: »

So I brought eso in maybe 2017 or so. And from then I'm waiting for an Asian megaserver! In 2017 I used to get like 150 latency in Cyrodill and now it's 200-250 so doing pvp became just absolutely horrible and frustrating as I play in EU megaserver from India. It's been like that from 2019 and hasn't been fixed so why not release an Asian megaserver to fix the high ping issue!

200-250 ping? I wish. East coast of Australia here.
Since I found and turned on the display ping option, I have seen mine below 300 once - and that was 299, in Blackwood. It didn't last long. It's usually around 320. Whenever I port to another zone it shoots up to btw 720 and 999+, goodness knows why. And in Cyro yesterday it was around 420.
So yeah. It sucks, but they won't give us our own server because apparently there aren't enough of us to merit it.

GlorphNoldorin · June 2021

lizaro wrote: »

xeNNNNN wrote: »

Unlikely, the aussies have been trying to get a server for years, they keep getitng told no. So my guess is no.

How much latency Aussies get? can't more than SEA xD
Pvp event is going on and my latency is 250-300 like how am I suppose to play the damn game(pvp)!

I am from rural Australia, I get 350-400 at best in pvp. It is a total joke even at 300 ping to try and play this game at any high level, pvp or pve.

It is also a lame argument from ZOS to say we wouldnt enjoy the game with no one on the server. I mean come on that is the biggest load of manure. All the people...... I cant even remember there are so many have left the game over poor performance.

There are so few people doing end game trials on PC NA in my time zone compared to when say Craglorn trials first dropped. It's a problem that ZOS has no idea of how many people have left the game due to performance. Not bugs or poor design, which most people I know who have left say they can handle fine.

I have been saying for years I would totally restart the game, redo all skins, trifecta achievements Grand Overlords if I could play at 150ping or less. the game would......compared to 350+ ping....work

Even if there was none playing I could have a far more enjoyable experience in arenas, its a shame ZOS doesnt have a "build it and they will come attitude" and their justification smacks of tokenism at best.

priestnall.andrewrwb17_ESO · June 2021

Been waiting since beta to get Oceanic servers (living in Japan). Usually rocking 250’ish ms on a good day. Doubt ZOS will ever commit and resources to make this a reality… but one can still dream.

spekdah · June 2021

In NZ I get 280 ping in PvE zones. 380-450 in pvp zones, makes it rather one sided and a crap experience.

ESO has the worst ping and latency out of all the major MMOs that host in USA from my location, other MMOs can be 80-120.

Hoping new world is good, if not guess I'm waiting for ashes of creation or pantheon which are years away.

Supreme_Atromancer · June 2021

lizaro wrote: »

How much latency Aussies get? can't more than SEA xD

You would be wrong.

From Sydney, the absolute lowest it gets is 210. I'd guess that's a function of the physical distance, so it can't actually get lower. It mostly sits between 230 and 300, sometimes higher. In PvP the averages are much higher of course.

Of course, those very close to the server very much enjoy the big advantage they have over you. Experience and knowledge goes a VERY long way to closing that gap, but you'll never be on a level playing field, and that's the way they want it, unfortunately.

I feel fairly confident that if it becomes profitable for ZOS to do Asian or Oceanic servers, they will. I'd assume they'd have to justify to their shareholders such a plan, and showing there's a big enough audience that their money will give them good returns to make it worthwhile or why would they. I don't know if I'd be happy putting investment money behind "build it and they MAY OR MAY NOT come".

The message linked above wasn't happy news for me either, but I don't think they were lying. They need to balance the QOL of great ping with having a far smaller community, meaning longer queue times for activities. As it stands, during slow times, dungeon and BG queues are very long, and suggest to people that the game is dead. People leave the game based on such notions. Even in the US and EU people start to freak out when new zones seem dead to them (see recent posts speculating on the success of Blackwood based on apparent emptiness), and apparently "empty" Cyro becomes a petition to close PvP entirely.

SteveCampsOut · June 2021

kargen27 wrote: »

SteveCampsOut wrote: »

trackdemon5512 wrote: »

kmontywrwb17_ESO wrote: »

trackdemon5512 wrote: »

See the following as to why there isn’t an OCEANIA server and transfer it over.

Also with China there are massive logistical and legal issues with operating an MMO involving corporations and such that go well beyond a potential player base and servers.

As such don’t expect to see a dedicated ASIA server.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/463360/anz-oceanic-server-announcement-from-zos/p1

Dude, I don't know how many times it needs to be said, but Asia is not China.

Their megaserver population explanation is not unreasonable, but it really just underscores the age of their tech.

Of course we know ASIA is not CHINA but in this day and age when taking into considerations an MMORPG China factors greatly for the region with the largest population of PC users. As such it factors in greatly into whether or not to provide a megaserver service to the entire area of the globe.

In fact an official Chinese release would be grounds for a new Megaserver with such a robust population and consoles being released to the public unlike 20 years ago. The cost of an ASIA megaserver would likely be justified as would any other changes. Don’t forget that ESO is currently only in four languages: English, German, French, and Russian, along with a unique Japanese client. The Japanese client means that a large section of ASIA already plays on the NA server and switching them to a new server is impossible.

Nothing is impossible! They switched a huge portion of PC players to Consoles when they first came out [snip]

Yeah one data base to an empty server. Now it would be data from two separate servers. There would be conflicts that were not there when the PC to console switch was made. Same reason they don't transfer accounts from EU to NA.

I'm not saying it wouldn't be difficult, but it's most certainly not an impossible job for a good programmer.

[edited to remove quote]