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Zos : We don't want Endeavours to be a grind - Also Zos: PvE players Go grind 30 World Bosses
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Inaya✭✭✭✭✭
✭TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »just do 6 cropsford quests, takes 20 minutes and when I did it the other players were all being friendly.
Same except for one player who sat and waited for me to turn in my quests. I guess their idea of fun is repeatedly killing someone with their back turned while talking to the quest giver. I actually feel bad for someone like this.6 -
starlizard70ub17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Red_Feather wrote: »At that rate it will be like 300 world bosses to get a knight aspirant helmet. 🤣
So basically a week and a half worth of WB grinding.
(5 days if you're really trying.
) "We have found a cave, but I don't think there are warm fires and friendly faces inside."0 -
CMDR_Un1k0rn✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭We have a week to complete these things.
Imagine playing an MMO and not even going for the boss enemies on the overworld... And no, I am not saying solo them. In fact you'll be hard-pressed to be able to do that right now with so many people going for the endeavour.In-game username: Un1korn | Happy member of the PCNA UESP guild (Resident Daggerfall Covenant enjoyer) | Main & basically only character: Crucian Vulpin, Imperial Dragonknight of the Daggerfall Covenant, and Undaunted Bulwark (I tank) | Mountain bike enjoyer and vulpine appreciator | If you know me from PCEU: No | To ZOS: THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME BRING MY HORSE INTO BATTLE!2 -
josiahva✭✭✭✭✭
✭Good lord, its not that bad....it took me 3 hours to do 30 DLC zone world bosses...and I soloed half of those since no one else was there...I died a total of once. But, that is completely irrelevant, you didnt HAVE to kill a single one...you could have just gone and bought a siege weapon, went to Cyro and sieged a resource or some PVE spawn point and been done in 5 minutes if you considered revisiting world bosses you haven't fought in years a grind.1 -
HertoginJanneke✭✭✭✭As a PVE player, it took me 5 minutes to queue for and enter Cyrodiil, find an anemy resource, do 400.000 damage and leave Cyrodill. So what's the grind ?8 -
Dagre2✭✭✭you can pve in cyrodiil O.o
might get the odd gank with a bit of a walk afterwards but you can still just pve and ignore the pvp.0 -
SickleCider✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭This is the incentive I need to go back to Cyrodiil and farm some citrus. I look at these endeavors as a kind of hint at an activity when I'm not sure which way I want to go.✨🐦✨ Blackfeather Court Commission ✨🐦✨0 -
Veinblood1965✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭HedgehogFeet wrote: »Endeavours - These will be something you normally do in your week - really?
I do not grind 30 WBs in a week. I now have to stand next to a WB in The Reach (only place on PC EU that reliably has other players at the times I play to help take these tedious creatures down) & grind these out. It is marginally less exciting than standing on a water Hyacinth in Shadowfen.
You do not "have" to do this. It's an option......
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Doc45✭✭✭HedgehogFeet wrote: »Endeavours - These will be something you normally do in your week - really?
I do not grind 30 WBs in a week. I now have to stand next to a WB in The Reach (only place on PC EU that reliably has other players at the times I play to help take these tedious creatures down) & grind these out. It is marginally less exciting than standing on a water Hyacinth in Shadowfen.
Back in the day, we used to have to walk uphill through the snow in bare feet just to enter a dungeon. Ok, maybe not. But daily rewards for signing in weren't a thing. Endeavors build on that with more free stuff. People that complain the daily rewards aren't rewarding enough or the endeavors are too difficult...it's free stuff. Most of the dailies can be completed without any attempt to actually complete them. The weekly ones take a bit more effort if one chooses to complete them, as it should be since the rewards are bigger. Make the effort or don't. Just don't whine about it.3 -
Starlight_Whisper✭✭✭✭✭
✭TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »just do 6 cropsford quests, takes 20 minutes and when I did it the other players were all being friendly.
Same except for one player who sat and waited for me to turn in my quests. I guess their idea of fun is repeatedly killing someone with their back turned while talking to the quest giver. I actually feel bad for someone like this.
Just ask for help in zone. People come and help clear out hankers usually0 -
Starlight_Whisper✭✭✭✭✭
✭HedgehogFeet wrote: »Endeavours - These will be something you normally do in your week - really?
I do not grind 30 WBs in a week. I now have to stand next to a WB in The Reach (only place on PC EU that reliably has other players at the times I play to help take these tedious creatures down) & grind these out. It is marginally less exciting than standing on a water Hyacinth in Shadowfen.
Back in the day, we used to have to walk uphill through the snow in bare feet just to enter a dungeon. Ok, maybe not. But daily rewards for signing in weren't a thing. Endeavors build on that with more free stuff. People that complain the daily rewards aren't rewarding enough or the endeavors are too difficult...it's free stuff. Most of the dailies can be completed without any attempt to actually complete them. The weekly ones take a bit more effort if one chooses to complete them, as it should be since the rewards are bigger. Make the effort or don't. Just don't whine about it.
😂 You joke but that was real. Dungeon finder was for reals not working back then so people would wait outside dungeons to form groups2 -
ThorianB✭✭✭✭✭
✭I don't know why people always act like something is mandatory and then complain about what a huge grind it is. Literally everything they add to the game is optional and people have to complain about how much grind it is...
1. Grind is 100% optional
2. There is nothing you need to play the game that requires you to grind.
3. If you don't want to work( grind) for anything, you probably should give up video games and take up watching Netflix where you don't actually have to do anything but stare at a screen.
On a side note: As its been said, you can do the quests in cropsford in about 20-30 minutes assuming people leave you alone.3 -
Doc45✭✭✭I remember doing my first BC1 after standing outside the entrance for about an hour hoping to group up with people. I whispered someone eventually with some title that made it seem they may know what they were doing. They brought a friend, told me we'd be ok, and we completed the dungeon. Not exactly walking uphill to a dungeon through the snow in bare feet, but kind of felt that way.
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Doc45✭✭✭I didn't know you could enter the undaunted by simply entering the dungeon, which was a good thing, because it got me to reach out to others. Dungeon finder is great in many ways but kind of ruins that experience. There's less vested in a random queue. Things given easily rather than earned are less rewarding.Edited by Doc45 on June 23, 2021 2:43PM2
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what_the✭✭✭HedgehogFeet wrote: »Endeavours - These will be something you normally do in your week - really?
I do not grind 30 WBs in a week. I now have to stand next to a WB in The Reach (only place on PC EU that reliably has other players at the times I play to help take these tedious creatures down) & grind these out. It is marginally less exciting than standing on a water Hyacinth in Shadowfen.
sigh...it's not a grind...lots of people are doing WBs this week. It's not a problem going to most any WB and find a few people there, or, like some said, do some original zone WBs, lots you can just solo there...
and you get gold/cps/equipment, companion exp/loot, so it's not "wasted" time..
or just do another weekly..1 -
VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I expect that as more players complain, ZOS will revise the amount downward for some of these lengthier grinds. Say, 15 or 20 world bosses.
Why?
Before I get jumped for saying that 30 world bosses is too hard (because it's not hard, it's just time consuming), I'd like to point out that Warframe implemented a similar system to Endeavors with Nightwave a couple years ago. They also started out with some very grindy tasks, and over time they responded to player criticism by lowering those task requirements.
For example:
1. Warframe used to require a 1 hr Kuva Survival Mission, which was later reduced to 30 minutes. A similar 1hr survival mission on lower difficulty was also reduced to 30 minutes.
2. Warframe used to require polarizing 3 items (roughly the equivalent to upgrading items to gold), which was later reduced to 1 item.
3. Warframe used to require a Defense mission with 40 waves, which was later reduced to 20 waves.
4. Warframe used to require 5 sorties (a once per day series of hard missions), which was reduced to 3 sorties.
5. Warframe used to require certain lengthy missions be done with a friend/clanmate. This requirement was removed.
What I'm getting at is that ZOS would be wise to listen to their playerbase. Like Warframe, I expect to see some changes going forward to make certain tasks less grindy and more forgiving for players who have less time to play. "Kill 30 World Bosses" seems very similar to the types of missions that Warframe eventually reduced the requirements for. We'll see what ZOS does.1 -
FrancisCrawford✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Marcus_Aurelius wrote: »There are, you know, other alternatives.
And, no, you don't need to do PvP at all, just kill with a siege the NPC that are inside the safe area of yor alliance.
Sieging random NPC mobs suffices?0 -
belial5221_ESO✭✭✭✭✭I got characters from each alliance,so I jsut use the one that has control of the area I need at the time.Red was Crops yesterday,so played that one,and did it in under 30 minutes.
Same with MYM,gonna hit arena since I can hide on top and wait to save imperials....easy,but takes a little longer,unless your alliance controls area,then it's quick.0 -
kmcaj✭✭✭✭✭TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »just do 6 cropsford quests, takes 20 minutes and when I did it the other players were all being friendly.
Same except for one player who sat and waited for me to turn in my quests. I guess their idea of fun is repeatedly killing someone with their back turned while talking to the quest giver. I actually feel bad for someone like this.
Can't wait for that during mayhem. Gonna be a slaughter.0 -
FrancisCrawford✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »just do 6 cropsford quests, takes 20 minutes and when I did it the other players were all being friendly.
Same except for one player who sat and waited for me to turn in my quests. I guess their idea of fun is repeatedly killing someone with their back turned while talking to the quest giver. I actually feel bad for someone like this.
Can't wait for that during mayhem. Gonna be a slaughter.
My favorite of my very small number of PvP kills are the two cases when players tried to do that to me and I won the ensuing fight.
How few? I only PvP during Midyear Mayhem, and I can't identify a character who has more than 5/50 progress on Wrath of the Whitestrake. 3 -
spekdah✭✭✭The siege option is by far the most efficient, can be done in 10 minutes.
It's says damage, so you can just be safe on a wall keep, use a ballista and hit players and other siege gear as it counts.1 -
BazOfWar✭✭✭✭Zos wants you to grind, Zos wants you to visit older zones, Zos is adding more and more reasons for players to re-visit older content to make the game look more appealing to newcomers.
The sad truth is though that the majority of changes and additions are actually forcing a lot of veteran players to quit rather than what Zos is aiming for.
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Bl4ckR3alm93✭✭✭HedgehogFeet wrote: »Endeavours - These will be something you normally do in your week - really?
I do not grind 30 WBs in a week. I now have to stand next to a WB in The Reach (only place on PC EU that reliably has other players at the times I play to help take these tedious creatures down) & grind these out. It is marginally less exciting than standing on a water Hyacinth in Shadowfen.
Dude what are you talking about...... You have 3 options as to which ones you want to do. one of the pvp ones take 5minutes if you just sit on a seige....
Stop being lazy and play the game. If you dont want to kill 30 WB then fine go do 1 of the other two. You can kill 5 WB a day, do you WB dailies in places like Summerset and Wrothgar for motifs and learn it or sell it in chat or Guild Traders. Stop acting like you don't have optionsEdited by Bl4ckR3alm93 on June 23, 2021 7:08PM2 -
AuraStorm43✭✭✭✭✭If you can’t handle doing 7 dailies in crops or doing a bit of counter siege damage that sounds like a personal problem
Heck midyear starts tomorrow you can kill 2 birds with 1 stone3 -
Elvenheart✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Do the siege weapon endeavor. By the far the quickest and it's effortless. Just go to an enemy resource flag in cyrodiil (preferably a low populated campaign) and fire a siege weapon at the flag (while staying as far as possible so the npc enemies don't come after you). No PvP or even PvE for that matter.
I used a cold fire trebuchet and it only took 5 shots. So less than a minute for the weekly.
I did this and found it to be amazingly easy.1 -
Elvenheart✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭LightningWitch wrote: »
An hour out of the way instead of playing the game.phaneub17_ESO wrote: »I did the 6 bosses in Deshaan on 5 characters, it took an hour.
These endeavors are working exactly as intended.
ZoS will not change a thing.
Killing the bosses was playing the game. But you are right in the fact that there are plenty of other things to do in the game, so if someone doesn’t want seals of endeavors they don’t have to kill the bosses and can do other things instead.0 -
EvilAutoTech✭✭✭✭✭
✭On NA, I used my main to kill world bosses, it took about 3 arns of playing. I don't have any toons on EU that can solo many bosses so I went to Cyrodiil with my newest character. I ported out to Arrius and rode to Chalman farm. I dropped 4 shots from a cold fire ballista on to the flag. I stowed my siege engine and walked down to the flag for a free port back to the Morrowind South Gate.The whole thing took less than 300 microts.2 -
Jaimeh✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I mean, it's not in zos' interest to make endeavours successful, and I was actually surprised that they are really easy to do, even without noticing. The 30 WB thing is a bit excessive, even for a weekly, but what strikes me as weird is not the quest itself, but how there is so much discrepancy with the other ones. Even with bosses taking 1-2 hours, sieging doesn't take more than 30 minutes in the worst scenario of getting intercepted etc.1 -
Stanucz✭✭✭It does "sound" grindy, but I would say two things. First, they have data they've probably analyzed that says a sizable portion of the community actually does hit 30 world bosses a week and probably more (characters leveling, looking for jewelry to sell, etc.) Second, you don't have to do that challenge if its not something you want to do. You can only get points for one of the weekly endeavors, and there are 3 options I think?0
