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Request to Change Nightblade Drain Power

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Hello 🙂
So this is probably a minority opinion but I personally dislike having to rely strictly on the 2h skill rally for major brutality. On other classes have alternative skills that provide the same buff. However when it comes to nightblade, that buff is only provided under the chance you can hit an opponent with a very small self-oriented AoE. This stipulation makes power drain unviable, most especially in PvP where players move fast and erratically and you have to prebuff before a fight for optimal damage. Therefore I request a rework for power drain. My recommendation is that either the major brutality/ savagery buffs be separate from the damage effects or the skill be provided range comparable to other siphon skills. A ranged attack that provides a buff upon entering a right instead of being up in one's face to proc it, if not simply a buff that possibly (doesn't have to) damages within a certain range yet isn't totally dependant on that hit, that would be nice. Not to mention it would create more opportunity to utilize different skill lines than rely on rally for that currently, necessary damage buff. I hope all you good people at ZOS @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_AntonioP @ZOS_Adrikoth @ZOS_KaiSchober @ZOS_BillE will consider this. Please and thank you very much 😊

[Edited title for Petitioning]
Edited by BlackCatOnline- on June 22, 2021 8:41AM
  • Alucardo
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    I'm not against your idea, but I'm not entirely sure why you'd want that over Rally which also gives you a burst heal, or forward momentum for snare/immobilization immunity and removal. Not only do they offer you the buff you want, but they have significantly better utility to boot.
    Once again, I have no problem with it.. I'm just clueless as to why you would think it'd be a better option.

    Also, I'd change your title from "Petition" to "Suggestion" if you don't want them to ignore this thread.

    Edited by Alucardo on June 20, 2021 3:53AM
  • katanagirl1
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    Maybe OP doesn’t want to use 2h for NB. I always hate that listed as an option myself for PvE when it’s typically dw/bow build, or at least it was, I don’t keep up with meta.

    I don’t think I see death recaps from NB on my PvP toon with any 2h skills on them, usually it’s spin to win or surprise attack from dw.

    I use Power Extraction in my PvE build because I’m terrible with potions in my rotation. I think it might be the other morph.
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  • Elusiin
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    Maybe a toggable AoE that fires once every 10 seconds (like solar barrage), but this applies a random debuff to enemy health, stamina, or magcika recovery, while giving you the buff version. Then a morph could allow it to either cleanse a negative effect for each enemy affected, or grant you a small damage shield that stacks for each enemy affected.

    The cost could be -5% max stamina or magicka reduction while active.

    Seems more fitting for being called "drain power", and would really help NB tanks, and give the magblades a chance at surviving versus a 2H stamina build.
    Edited by Elusiin on June 20, 2021 7:38AM
  • Indigogo
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    I'd desperately love to ditch the 2hr on my nb!
  • Irfind
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    I would like to play bow/bow on my NB and ditch the 2h too !
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  • Faulgor
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    BlackCat13 wrote: »
    On other classes have alternative skills that provide the same buff.
    Cries in Templar.
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  • NylAR
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    Brutality along with its spell damage equivalent should either just be removed from the game entirely or brutality alonr should be provided on every class in the same or similar format as rally.

    Simply because this extremely limits playstyle choice.
  • shimm
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    Agree, drain power (stam morph) needs a rework. The mag morph (sap essence) does the same thing but also heals! A few of the nightblade skills have much less useful stam morphs, teleport strike comes to mind - the stam version gives empower and the mag version hits all nearby enemies with a dot and vulnerability!
  • Alucardo
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    Maybe OP doesn’t want to use 2h for NB. I always hate that listed as an option myself for PvE when it’s typically dw/bow build, or at least it was, I don’t keep up with meta.

    I don’t think I see death recaps from NB on my PvP toon with any 2h skills on them, usually it’s spin to win or surprise attack from dw.

    I use Power Extraction in my PvE build because I’m terrible with potions in my rotation. I think it might be the other morph.

    The OP specifically mentioned PvP. Once again, 2h is just too good to pass up because of the utility it offers. It's basically the resto staff of the stamina world.
    Edited by Alucardo on June 20, 2021 1:42PM
  • TequilaFire
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    Pick a few flowers and make a potion if you don't want to play close.
  • Jazraena
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    Radical suggestion! Give every class and every weapon skill line a source for Major Brutality / Sorcery.

    Destructive Reach comes to mind, for example.
  • blktauna
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    I hate 2h but am forced to use it on my NB. I would welcome the opportunity to get rid of it.
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  • Luckylancer
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    Why do you hate the best pre buff in the game for ganking? Learn how to use rally and it will save your life.

    If you still dont want rally, there is a dw alternative that have gapcloser. 5th skill of dw (flying blade) as last skill off your prebuff. This will teleport you to your enemy.

    It is ironic how people talk about lack of options and there is no mention of an option. If you like bow/bow you can use pots.

    Power extraction looks like a tank skill imo. Maybe solo PvE stamblade can use it too.
  • Jaraal
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    At least increase the range of it. Losing MB/MS for your opening shot because you can't cast Essence or Extraction until you are within 8m seems counterintuitive.
  • BlackCatOnline-
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    Alucardo wrote: »
    Maybe OP doesn’t want to use 2h for NB. I always hate that listed as an option myself for PvE when it’s typically dw/bow build, or at least it was, I don’t keep up with meta.

    I don’t think I see death recaps from NB on my PvP toon with any 2h skills on them, usually it’s spin to win or surprise attack from dw.

    I use Power Extraction in my PvE build because I’m terrible with potions in my rotation. I think it might be the other morph.

    The OP specifically mentioned PvP. Once again, 2h is just too good to pass up because of the utility it offers. It's basically the resto staff of the stamina world.

    Is it? I find resolving vigor is fine by itself for healing usually 🤔
  • BlackCatOnline-
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    Jaraal wrote: »
    At least increase the range of it. Losing MB/MS for your opening shot because you can't cast Essence or Extraction until you are within 8m seems counterintuitive.

    I agree
  • BlackCatOnline-
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    Faulgor wrote: »
    BlackCat13 wrote: »
    On other classes have alternative skills that provide the same buff.
    Cries in Templar.

    Yeah there should be a buff for templar too *pat pat*
  • Pauwer
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    Yep, i support this, would love to use the skill. And would like it that i didn't have to use the 2h to get sais buffs. We nbs used to have better class skills, i think stam recovery and everything used to be in them. Then they wanted people to buy necro and took everything away from the nb. Make nbs great again.
  • Alucardo
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    BlackCat13 wrote: »
    Alucardo wrote: »
    Maybe OP doesn’t want to use 2h for NB. I always hate that listed as an option myself for PvE when it’s typically dw/bow build, or at least it was, I don’t keep up with meta.

    I don’t think I see death recaps from NB on my PvP toon with any 2h skills on them, usually it’s spin to win or surprise attack from dw.

    I use Power Extraction in my PvE build because I’m terrible with potions in my rotation. I think it might be the other morph.

    The OP specifically mentioned PvP. Once again, 2h is just too good to pass up because of the utility it offers. It's basically the resto staff of the stamina world.

    Is it? I find resolving vigor is fine by itself for healing usually 🤔

    Vigor is slow. A quick burst heal from Rally can prevent you from being insta executed when low health. With damage as high as it is, I just don't find Vigor enough to deal with everything.
  • BlackCatOnline-
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    I figured the appropriate 18-20k heals my vigor gives in four seconds will save me or I'm too squishy to survive anyway. Unless dodge rolls

    Considering @Luckylancer bringing up DW hidden blade? That's something I hadn't realized as an option. But it leads me to wonder if hidden is stronger than ambush? I know it's double cast for twice the damage yet can hidden beat that 5% damage booster? I'd genuinely love to find better methods than what I've known so if I'm wrong, I'm not too proud to admit it.

    I never needed to use rally on stamsorc, which is the class I've primarily used when getting into pvp. I haven't played enough on other classes I guess. Or maybe generally

    Still, adjusting power drain would be great in my opinion, and of course giving the same major brutality/ sorcery to other classes. There's not a fair balance between class morphs as far as I've seen. A friend of mine always brings up we're promised we can "play as you want" except not everything works. A lot of sets look really bad too

    So if I'm woefully ignorant or something I apologize. I'd still appreciate the change though

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