Good job with the Cropsford Weekly.

VaranisArano · June 2021

As long as there are always PVE-only options for the PVE-only players, I'm not too bothered by these weekly tasks.

I'm not going to lie: there's a long history of PVE players going to PvPvE zones because those are the quickest tasks, and then complaining when PVP happens to them - see the Anniversary Jubilee dailies situation or the older IC events. And I'm a little tired of the hypocrisy. If you want a safe task for your Endeavor, do the PVE option. If you want the quick task despite the risk, stop complaining.

TerraDewBerry · June 2021

fizl101 wrote: »

TerraDewBerry wrote: »

fizl101 wrote: »

Already giving up with Cropsford, a load of people are camping at the hand in/quest points

This is where it helps to have alts from all factions. Find what faction currently has Cropsford, and do the weekly with the alt that is that faction. It doesn't guarantee you won't run into any problems, but you will have a better chance. Safety in numbers sort of thing. Also, try one of the less populated campaigns. I was thrilled they gave 2 PvP options and focused on a single town for one of them. It took all of about 20 minutes to do. I hated the thought of trying to kill 30 world bosses... ugh.

I already was on a char that was on the faction that had Cropsford, I'm not just a potato at PVP, I'm a mashed potato lol, I just couldn't survive a few bananas at the quest points. I did the siege one instead

Understood. Sorry about that. I'm glad you were able to complete the weekly on siege.

wolfie1.0. · June 2021

VaranisArano wrote: »

As long as there are always PVE-only options for the PVE-only players, I'm not too bothered by these weekly tasks.

I'm not going to lie: there's a long history of PVE players going to PvPvE zones because those are the quickest tasks, and then complaining when PVP happens to them - see the Anniversary Jubilee dailies situation or the older IC events. And I'm a little tired of the hypocrisy. If you want a safe task for your Endeavor, do the PVE option. If you want the quick task despite the risk, stop complaining.

I will when ZOS stops nerfing my PVE experience due to their inability to come up with more viable solutions for pvp balancing problems.

Or when the stick the quest turn in npc's in non combat areas.

If ZOS does one of these two. I will stop complaining.

Until then any player who quest turn in camps does not have any right to claim that they pvp.

jaws343 · June 2021

wtlonewolf20 wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

As long as there are always PVE-only options for the PVE-only players, I'm not too bothered by these weekly tasks.

I'm not going to lie: there's a long history of PVE players going to PvPvE zones because those are the quickest tasks, and then complaining when PVP happens to them - see the Anniversary Jubilee dailies situation or the older IC events. And I'm a little tired of the hypocrisy. If you want a safe task for your Endeavor, do the PVE option. If you want the quick task despite the risk, stop complaining.

I will when ZOS stops nerfing my PVE experience due to their inability to come up with more viable solutions for pvp balancing problems.

Or when the stick the quest turn in npc's in non combat areas.

If ZOS does one of these two. I will stop complaining.

Until then any player who quest turn in camps does not have any right to claim that they pvp.

But, Cropsford, Vlastrus, and Bruma are literally PVP objectives. So complaining that people are PVPing you in PVP objectives is ridiculous. Not to mention the entire zone is a PVP zone.

Icy_Waffles · June 2021

Good thing you have OPTIONS.

Honestly. I don’t pvp much. I don’t enjoy it and the performance annoys me. I am definitely a “PVE” player.

However it took me 10 minutes to do this weekly. I also killed one “ganker” if you will.

I really see complaining as needless. There was a peaceful guy from another faction playing and he was left alone. The guy that attacked another player in my faction… he got got rickety-wrecked.

There’s options with these endeavors. That’s the beauty of it. If there was no cap I could understand some complaining. Think of how many leads you could get farming those world bosses I guess could also be beneficial.

TequilaFire · June 2021

I did the Cropsford weekly and was disappointed I didn't run into players to fight.
Didn't see a single ganking.

CMDR_Un1k0rn · June 2021

Icy_Waffles wrote: »

Good thing you have OPTIONS.

Honestly. I don’t pvp much. I don’t enjoy it and the performance annoys me. I am definitely a “PVE” player.

However it took me 10 minutes to do this weekly. I also killed one “ganker” if you will.

I really see complaining as needless. There was a peaceful guy from another faction playing and he was left alone. The guy that attacked another player in my faction… he got got rickety-wrecked.

There’s options with these endeavors. That’s the beauty of it. If there was no cap I could understand some complaining. Think of how many leads you could get farming those world bosses I guess could also be beneficial.

A lot of people seem to be missing this important point in the matter.

There is no need to do PvP at all.

If they all took place in PvP land, then I could call the complaints justified.

However, we have a PvE option, and a damn easy one at that. (Being a bit of a time eater does not make it hard)

And we only get to do one weekly. Kill those 30 WB's and you can't do the PvP endeavours even if you want to.

Agenericname · June 2021

wtlonewolf20 wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

As long as there are always PVE-only options for the PVE-only players, I'm not too bothered by these weekly tasks.

I'm not going to lie: there's a long history of PVE players going to PvPvE zones because those are the quickest tasks, and then complaining when PVP happens to them - see the Anniversary Jubilee dailies situation or the older IC events. And I'm a little tired of the hypocrisy. If you want a safe task for your Endeavor, do the PVE option. If you want the quick task despite the risk, stop complaining.

I will when ZOS stops nerfing my PVE experience due to their inability to come up with more viable solutions for pvp balancing problems.

Or when the stick the quest turn in npc's in non combat areas.

If ZOS does one of these two. I will stop complaining.

Until then any player who quest turn in camps does not have any right to claim that they pvp.

Its a bit ironic that the more PvE oriented quests are completed in contested areas and the more PvP oriented quests (kill x players) are not.

I doubt very seriously like nerfs such as the latest crit nerf or orbs happened because of ZOS inability to balance PvP. Its ZOS, they nerf things. It's what they do.

Danikat · June 2021

Nice to see the 'no true Scotsman' fallacy is alive and well.

If someone is in Cyrodiil killing other players they are, by definition, a PvP player. They may be the weakest and most pathetic form of PvP player and not what you expect from people in that mode, but that doesn't mean they're not a PvP player and certainly not a role-player (I'm not even sure what that would mean in this context).

Besides isn't hiding in stealth and ganking easy targets what the Imperial City is all about? Or is that not really PvP any more either?

Starlight_Whisper · June 2021

VaranisArano wrote: »

As long as there are always PVE-only options for the PVE-only players, I'm not too bothered by these weekly tasks.

I'm not going to lie: there's a long history of PVE players going to PvPvE zones because those are the quickest tasks, and then complaining when PVP happens to them - see the Anniversary Jubilee dailies situation or the older IC events. And I'm a little tired of the hypocrisy. If you want a safe task for your Endeavor, do the PVE option. If you want the quick task despite the risk, stop complaining.

Should balance time commitment better in regards to the weekly though. It's differences of hours vs less then 15 mins here.

jaws343 · June 2021

Starlight_Whisper wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

As long as there are always PVE-only options for the PVE-only players, I'm not too bothered by these weekly tasks.

I'm not going to lie: there's a long history of PVE players going to PvPvE zones because those are the quickest tasks, and then complaining when PVP happens to them - see the Anniversary Jubilee dailies situation or the older IC events. And I'm a little tired of the hypocrisy. If you want a safe task for your Endeavor, do the PVE option. If you want the quick task despite the risk, stop complaining.

Should balance time commitment better in regards to the weekly though. It's differences of hours vs less then 15 mins here.

The problem is, if they made it 4M damage, or even 10M damage, people would freak out that they would need to spend even more time in PVP. Even if the WB one was quicker to do. Even though this is a weekly that should take some time to do.

Starlight_Whisper · June 2021

TequilaFire wrote: »

I did the Cropsford weekly and was disappointed I didn't run into players to fight.
Didn't see a single ganking.

😂 I did and ported right back there to settle the score. This one weak nb ganker was after all the questers.

Starlight_Whisper · June 2021

ajkb78 wrote: »

zelaminator wrote: »

Marcus_Aurelius wrote: »

Pvpers have better thing to do, wating half an hour just to kill some stray PVers doing quest is just too lame.
We have Keeps to conquer and zergs to wipe.

Just don't try to take the city, Cropsford is in a strategic position.

Some pvp'ers might have other stuff to do, sure.. but don't try and tell me that there won't be a bunch of them camping the place

There weren't this morning. And quite often there aren't during midyear mayhem, you even see little informal non-aggression pacts arise where players of all colours ignore each other and just do the quests. Of course camping pve questers happens sometimes, but it's not as big a problem as some people like to make out.

It's a lot better during off hours..and not everyone knows weekly endeavors are live yet

redlink1979 · June 2021

MajThorax wrote: »

(...) You have other options to get your weekly seals (...)

^^

Marcus_Aurelius wrote: »

Pvpers have better thing to do, wating half an hour just to kill some stray PVers doing quest (...)

^^

Brrrofski · June 2021

90% of people that kill other people doing quests are PVE players. They think now is their chance to get a pvp kill.

Always is the case in midyear mayhem, will be the same here.

I love this argument during midyear. Yes, I am willing to forego big fights at keeps and 100s of thousand AP an hour just to gank a level 22 and a cp476 that doesn't fight back in the main house in Bruma...

Also, there are other options to get weekly seals. 30 world boss kills is nothing. I did it in about 75 mins this morning solo. Longer than the town, yeh, but still dead easy. I was farming companions gear so thought I'd so both.

Unfortunately I only got 2 green companion items that will sell for pennies...

spartaxoxo · June 2021

Brrrofski wrote: »

90% of people that kill other people doing quests are PVE players. They think now is their chance to get a pvp kill..

Absolutely not the case. They have such an easy time doing it because they are PvPers in PVP gear.

Very few are PvE'ers. Literally almost none of them.

zelaminator · June 2021

Brrrofski wrote: »

90% of people that kill other people doing quests are PVE players. They think now is their chance to get a pvp kill.

Please do show me proof that this is not just some weird theory

ClawOfTheTwoMoons · June 2021

I agree. Thank you for an easy to do weekly.

SgtPepperUK · June 2021

Starlight_Whisper wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

As long as there are always PVE-only options for the PVE-only players, I'm not too bothered by these weekly tasks.

I'm not going to lie: there's a long history of PVE players going to PvPvE zones because those are the quickest tasks, and then complaining when PVP happens to them - see the Anniversary Jubilee dailies situation or the older IC events. And I'm a little tired of the hypocrisy. If you want a safe task for your Endeavor, do the PVE option. If you want the quick task despite the risk, stop complaining.

Should balance time commitment better in regards to the weekly though. It's differences of hours vs less then 15 mins here.

I think it's a good risk / reward scenario. One option is the safer one but takes longer, the other is likely to be quicker but riskier.

I did Cropsford on my EP NB on PC EU Gray Host this evening. It went well but there was always the potential for Cropsford to either flip or, at least, be cut off, which would mean in the event of being ganked, I'd find it harder to get back there etc.

Vevvev · June 2021

I'd have an easier time getting the siege weapon endeavor done. Far quicker than some silly 7 quests in enemy territory on the other side of the map.

Starlight_Whisper · June 2021

SgtPepperUK wrote: »

Starlight_Whisper wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

As long as there are always PVE-only options for the PVE-only players, I'm not too bothered by these weekly tasks.

I'm not going to lie: there's a long history of PVE players going to PvPvE zones because those are the quickest tasks, and then complaining when PVP happens to them - see the Anniversary Jubilee dailies situation or the older IC events. And I'm a little tired of the hypocrisy. If you want a safe task for your Endeavor, do the PVE option. If you want the quick task despite the risk, stop complaining.

Should balance time commitment better in regards to the weekly though. It's differences of hours vs less then 15 mins here.

I think it's a good risk / reward scenario. One option is the safer one but takes longer, the other is likely to be quicker but riskier.

I did Cropsford on my EP NB on PC EU Gray Host this evening. It went well but there was always the potential for Cropsford to either flip or, at least, be cut off, which would mean in the event of being ganked, I'd find it harder to get back there etc.

I disagree, go under 50 or low population campaign and done under 15.

Siege is even worst with zero danger if done right.

JoeCapricorn · June 2021

When I did Cropsford dailies today it was currently controlled by AD. Some Pact were taking flags but those would always flip back yellow. I also saw DC players come and go without much difficulty... of course I didn't linger, and when I go to Cyrodiil to do town quests I generally am non-aggressive.

I generally dislike going into Cyrodiil, but being that I only had to do 7 dailies it wasn't so bad. All three of the activities for the weekly endeavor could be completed in a single day. Still, being that I have a whole week to do just one of them, it's not a big deal if I have to split the effort across multiple days.

Sephyr · June 2021

Vevvev wrote: »

I'd have an easier time getting the siege weapon endeavor done. Far quicker than some silly 7 quests in enemy territory on the other side of the map.

Considering how many are quickly getting it done, I'd hardly call it a weekly let alone something difficult to do compared to the other two because those at least have a modicum of effort involved. But I'm also not surprised.

Zenzuki · June 2021

JoeCapricorn wrote: »

When I did Cropsford dailies today it was currently controlled by AD. Some Pact were taking flags but those would always flip back yellow. I also saw DC players come and go without much difficulty... of course I didn't linger, and when I go to Cyrodiil to do town quests I generally am non-aggressive.

I generally dislike going into Cyrodiil, but being that I only had to do 7 dailies it wasn't so bad. All three of the activities for the weekly endeavor could be completed in a single day. Still, being that I have a whole week to do just one of them, it's not a big deal if I have to split the effort across multiple days.

^ ^ ^ This was pretty much my exact scenario.

My red gets to the yellow controlled Cropsford... Stealth a few missions. See a few blues and yellows fighting over the flags to capture/keep the town (even fighting next to the flag by the outdoor quest giver), I just stayed stealth, kept turning in and getting next mission.

Weekly complete!

Never engaged and was never engaged the entire time. Although I was hoping to complete them all on day one (and was actually able to)... I was prepared to come back another day to finish up if I had been ganked or whatnot in the process.

SilverBride · June 2021

I did those today and it was very quick. It took me awhile to ride there because I don't use any speed boosts, but no one bothered us and I got some PvP gear from the quests that I was able to sell.

alberichtano · June 2021

ajkb78 wrote: »

zelaminator wrote: »

Marcus_Aurelius wrote: »

Pvpers have better thing to do, wating half an hour just to kill some stray PVers doing quest is just too lame.
We have Keeps to conquer and zergs to wipe.

Just don't try to take the city, Cropsford is in a strategic position.

Some pvp'ers might have other stuff to do, sure.. but don't try and tell me that there won't be a bunch of them camping the place

There weren't this morning. And quite often there aren't during midyear mayhem, you even see little informal non-aggression pacts arise where players of all colours ignore each other and just do the quests. Of course camping pve questers happens sometimes, but it's not as big a problem as some people like to make out.

Sometimes?? I have yet to see a MYM where the towns are NOT infested with gankers. :-/

alberichtano · June 2021

TerraDewBerry wrote: »

fizl101 wrote: »

Already giving up with Cropsford, a load of people are camping at the hand in/quest points

This is where it helps to have alts from all factions. Find what faction currently has Cropsford, and do the weekly with the alt that is that faction. It doesn't guarantee you won't run into any problems, but you will have a better chance. Safety in numbers sort of thing. Also, try one of the less populated campaigns. I was thrilled they gave 2 PvP options and focused on a single town for one of them. It took all of about 30 minutes to do. I hated the thought of trying to kill 30 world bosses... ugh.

Sure it helps, but you shouldn't really have to.

Nomadic_Atmoran · June 2021

Starlight_Whisper wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

As long as there are always PVE-only options for the PVE-only players, I'm not too bothered by these weekly tasks.

I'm not going to lie: there's a long history of PVE players going to PvPvE zones because those are the quickest tasks, and then complaining when PVP happens to them - see the Anniversary Jubilee dailies situation or the older IC events. And I'm a little tired of the hypocrisy. If you want a safe task for your Endeavor, do the PVE option. If you want the quick task despite the risk, stop complaining.

Should balance time commitment better in regards to the weekly though. It's differences of hours vs less then 15 mins here.

Has it not occurred to you that that might have been the point. This weekly endeavor is launched the same week as a PvP event and 2/3rds of the options are PvP related.

Joy_Division · June 2021

Starlight_Knight wrote: »

Such a stupid thing to add into the game, People play this game to relax not be griefed.

If someone willingly tries to to the fast, quickest, seemingly easiest route to get the weekly done in a PVP zone where everyone knows what's going on and they get attacked, ganked, or killed, that's on them.

There are over 100 world bosses with no griefers and many of them have their own quests to boot for items, gold, and CP. This route is available for people who want to relax away from a PvP zone.

The siege option is also available. Joining a group and attacking castles in a nice way to collect the reward while not adjusting a play routine. There is also the option to just siege undefended structures. Enemy resource towers can be sieged down and that doesn;t show up on a map so nobody will be the wiser.

There is no need to be griefed doing this quest; it will only and then only might happen via a conscious choice by someone who opts for the seemingly quickest route.

TheImperfect · June 2021

I did it last night and really enjoyed having a change from the norm.