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Magicka Spell Dmg Scaling with Regards to Proc sets
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gariondavey✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭ResidentContrarian wrote: »gariondavey wrote: »Just a heads up - heartland conqueror dw with 1 nirn sword and 1 sharp mace + new moon is just over 6000 spell damage (with major sorcery).
Add in a balorgh or a back bar master destro and you are at the 6500.
Also, you will have 14k pen with this setup (including major breach)
Edit: to be clear, heartland on body and new moon on jewels + front bar. Also, these are both crafted sets.
That sounds pretty low...without any of that complicated stuff:
Hmmm not sure if this was even with DW or not. Too much screenshots to go through.
What's complicated? Heavy heartland conqueror on body, new moon jewels + dw, 1 nirn sword 1 sharp mace. You will have over 6k spell damage and 14k pen. This is just with major sorcery, not sure if yours has minor sorcery in that pic, or what other buffs you have.PC NA @gariondavey, BG, IC & Cyrodiil Focused Since October 2017 Stamplar (main), Magplar, Magsorc, Stamsorc, StamDK, MagDK, Stamblade, Magblade, Magden, Stamden0 -
Tessitura✭✭✭✭✭gariondavey wrote: »gariondavey wrote: »Just a heads up - heartland conqueror dw with 1 nirn sword and 1 sharp mace + new moon is just over 6000 spell damage (with major sorcery).
Add in a balorgh or a back bar master destro and you are at the 6500.
Also, you will have 14k pen with this setup (including major breach)
Edit: to be clear, heartland on body and new moon on jewels + front bar. Also, these are both crafted sets.
Where is the room for a proc set on that though? The big issue most people have is the ease at which stam can reach those numbers and still have room to have a proc benefit from it.
Now that said that is actually a setup I have been using on magblade and magcro and it is very powerful. and I highly recommend magicka builds give this a shot. But it doesn't address the issue people are having with their inability to use procs. This is probably going to be one of the least build diverse patches we have seen in a while.
Zaan + back bar vate ice
There is only one way you are reaching those numbers while leaving the head slot free is if you are a High/Dark Elf sorc. Any other magicka class would need those spots open to reach those numbers. And even a high elf sorc needs the Master Weapon to get those numbers, well the Master weapon or the vamp Blood Frenxy, which isn't as practical for pvp procs, but could probably work to get use out of one in pve. Which means no room for vate and both five pieces.
Unless heartland gives bonus spell/weapon damage to the sword invis passive... Which i admit I have not tested. Maybe i should take a look at that? Is that considered a weapon trait?0 -
gariondavey✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭gariondavey wrote: »gariondavey wrote: »Just a heads up - heartland conqueror dw with 1 nirn sword and 1 sharp mace + new moon is just over 6000 spell damage (with major sorcery).
Add in a balorgh or a back bar master destro and you are at the 6500.
Also, you will have 14k pen with this setup (including major breach)
Edit: to be clear, heartland on body and new moon on jewels + front bar. Also, these are both crafted sets.
Where is the room for a proc set on that though? The big issue most people have is the ease at which stam can reach those numbers and still have room to have a proc benefit from it.
Now that said that is actually a setup I have been using on magblade and magcro and it is very powerful. and I highly recommend magicka builds give this a shot. But it doesn't address the issue people are having with their inability to use procs. This is probably going to be one of the least build diverse patches we have seen in a while.
Zaan + back bar vate ice
There is only one way you are reaching those numbers while leaving the head slot free is if you are a High/Dark Elf sorc. Any other magicka class would need those spots open to reach those numbers. And even a high elf sorc needs the Master Weapon to get those numbers, well the Master weapon or the vamp Blood Frenxy, which isn't as practical for pvp procs, but could probably work to get use out of one in pve. Which means no room for vate and both five pieces.
Unless heartland gives bonus spell/weapon damage to the sword invis passive... Which i admit I have not tested. Maybe i should take a look at that? Is that considered a weapon trait?
Check out uesp build editor. This was a dark elf or high elf with infused spell damage jewels, and atronach stone
Edit: here you go
https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildEditor?id=254947
if you have minor sorcery you can run regen jewels
Edit 2: don't forget the 8.2k pen doesn't include the 6k breach. My point is is not difficult to have > 6k spell damage with 14k pen with 2 crafted sets
Edited by gariondavey on June 19, 2021 12:24AMPC NA @gariondavey, BG, IC & Cyrodiil Focused Since October 2017 Stamplar (main), Magplar, Magsorc, Stamsorc, StamDK, MagDK, Stamblade, Magblade, Magden, Stamden0 -
Rhorlak_Wulfmare✭✭✭Does the penetration from light armour make up for the lack of ability to stack spell damage as easily?0 -
Sedare38✭✭✭gariondavey wrote: »gariondavey wrote: »gariondavey wrote: »Just a heads up - heartland conqueror dw with 1 nirn sword and 1 sharp mace + new moon is just over 6000 spell damage (with major sorcery).
Add in a balorgh or a back bar master destro and you are at the 6500.
Also, you will have 14k pen with this setup (including major breach)
Edit: to be clear, heartland on body and new moon on jewels + front bar. Also, these are both crafted sets.
Where is the room for a proc set on that though? The big issue most people have is the ease at which stam can reach those numbers and still have room to have a proc benefit from it.
Now that said that is actually a setup I have been using on magblade and magcro and it is very powerful. and I highly recommend magicka builds give this a shot. But it doesn't address the issue people are having with their inability to use procs. This is probably going to be one of the least build diverse patches we have seen in a while.
Zaan + back bar vate ice
There is only one way you are reaching those numbers while leaving the head slot free is if you are a High/Dark Elf sorc. Any other magicka class would need those spots open to reach those numbers. And even a high elf sorc needs the Master Weapon to get those numbers, well the Master weapon or the vamp Blood Frenxy, which isn't as practical for pvp procs, but could probably work to get use out of one in pve. Which means no room for vate and both five pieces.
Unless heartland gives bonus spell/weapon damage to the sword invis passive... Which i admit I have not tested. Maybe i should take a look at that? Is that considered a weapon trait?
Check out uesp build editor. This was a dark elf or high elf with infused spell damage jewels, and atronach stone
Edit: here you go
https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildEditor?id=254947
if you have minor sorcery you can run regen jewels
Edit 2: don't forget the 8.2k pen doesn't include the 6k breach. My point is is not difficult to have > 6k spell damage with 14k pen with 2 crafted sets
I'm not running that on a Magblade. Vat is currently broken beyond belief and zaan's requires you to stick to the target like glue. This lacks mobility a nightblade needs, sure it may work on a DK.0 -
Syrpynt✭✭✭Rhorlak_Wulfmare wrote: »Does the penetration from light armour make up for the lack of ability to stack spell damage as easily?
The difference* is almost negligible. I may get some trash for this, but it's only 0.25%.
All medium armor is 14% weapon power bonus.
Meaning that if you have medium armor with 0 penetration, and 3,000 weapon power (with 14% bonus included), the effective weapon power is only 2,181 when fighting a Veteran Boss with 18k armor.
The equivalent in Light Armor is then 2,637 Spell power with the ~6,573 penetration bonus (7 light armor pieces) instead of the weapon power. Meaning that the difference is 13.75% in power. Medium is 14%, so the net difference is Light armor is only 0.25% behind.
It doesn't change either when you add more weapon/spell power either:
Example 2:
If you have medium armor with 0 penetration, and 5,000 weapon power, the effective weapon power is only 3,635 when fighting a Veteran Boss with 18k armor. The equivalent in Light Armor is then 4,395 Spell power with the ~6,573 penetration bonus instead of the weapon power. Meaning that the difference is 13.75% in power.
Thus meaning that you need to make up an extra 0.25% spell power when comparing spell penetration to weapon power bonus between the 2 armors.
The argument made by @OP is moot.
The math:
• 3,000WP * (18,000/33,000)*(50/100) = 2,181 weapon power with 0 penetration.
• 2,181WP / ( ( (18,000 - 6,573) / 33,000)*(50/100) ) = 2,637 Spell Power with 6,573 penetration.
• (3,000 - 2,637) / 2,637 = 0.1375 = 13.75%
vs 14% weapon power bonus.
Edit: Added my math. Fixed some typos.Edited by Syrpynt on June 24, 2021 2:23PM1 -
gariondavey✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭gariondavey wrote: »gariondavey wrote: »gariondavey wrote: »Just a heads up - heartland conqueror dw with 1 nirn sword and 1 sharp mace + new moon is just over 6000 spell damage (with major sorcery).
Add in a balorgh or a back bar master destro and you are at the 6500.
Also, you will have 14k pen with this setup (including major breach)
Edit: to be clear, heartland on body and new moon on jewels + front bar. Also, these are both crafted sets.
Where is the room for a proc set on that though? The big issue most people have is the ease at which stam can reach those numbers and still have room to have a proc benefit from it.
Now that said that is actually a setup I have been using on magblade and magcro and it is very powerful. and I highly recommend magicka builds give this a shot. But it doesn't address the issue people are having with their inability to use procs. This is probably going to be one of the least build diverse patches we have seen in a while.
Zaan + back bar vate ice
There is only one way you are reaching those numbers while leaving the head slot free is if you are a High/Dark Elf sorc. Any other magicka class would need those spots open to reach those numbers. And even a high elf sorc needs the Master Weapon to get those numbers, well the Master weapon or the vamp Blood Frenxy, which isn't as practical for pvp procs, but could probably work to get use out of one in pve. Which means no room for vate and both five pieces.
Unless heartland gives bonus spell/weapon damage to the sword invis passive... Which i admit I have not tested. Maybe i should take a look at that? Is that considered a weapon trait?
Check out uesp build editor. This was a dark elf or high elf with infused spell damage jewels, and atronach stone
Edit: here you go
https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildEditor?id=254947
if you have minor sorcery you can run regen jewels
Edit 2: don't forget the 8.2k pen doesn't include the 6k breach. My point is is not difficult to have > 6k spell damage with 14k pen with 2 crafted sets
I'm not running that on a Magblade. Vat is currently broken beyond belief and zaan's requires you to stick to the target like glue. This lacks mobility a nightblade needs, sure it may work on a DK.
can be for a mag dk, mag necro, magplar, even could be fine on magsorc or magden or magblade (brawler style with healing cloak)
i mean, you are a bombastic soul so you will run what works for that. cya in cyrodiilPC NA @gariondavey, BG, IC & Cyrodiil Focused Since October 2017 Stamplar (main), Magplar, Magsorc, Stamsorc, StamDK, MagDK, Stamblade, Magblade, Magden, Stamden0 -
Sedare38✭✭✭gariondavey wrote: »gariondavey wrote: »gariondavey wrote: »gariondavey wrote: »Just a heads up - heartland conqueror dw with 1 nirn sword and 1 sharp mace + new moon is just over 6000 spell damage (with major sorcery).
Add in a balorgh or a back bar master destro and you are at the 6500.
Also, you will have 14k pen with this setup (including major breach)
Edit: to be clear, heartland on body and new moon on jewels + front bar. Also, these are both crafted sets.
Where is the room for a proc set on that though? The big issue most people have is the ease at which stam can reach those numbers and still have room to have a proc benefit from it.
Now that said that is actually a setup I have been using on magblade and magcro and it is very powerful. and I highly recommend magicka builds give this a shot. But it doesn't address the issue people are having with their inability to use procs. This is probably going to be one of the least build diverse patches we have seen in a while.
Zaan + back bar vate ice
There is only one way you are reaching those numbers while leaving the head slot free is if you are a High/Dark Elf sorc. Any other magicka class would need those spots open to reach those numbers. And even a high elf sorc needs the Master Weapon to get those numbers, well the Master weapon or the vamp Blood Frenxy, which isn't as practical for pvp procs, but could probably work to get use out of one in pve. Which means no room for vate and both five pieces.
Unless heartland gives bonus spell/weapon damage to the sword invis passive... Which i admit I have not tested. Maybe i should take a look at that? Is that considered a weapon trait?
Check out uesp build editor. This was a dark elf or high elf with infused spell damage jewels, and atronach stone
Edit: here you go
https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildEditor?id=254947
if you have minor sorcery you can run regen jewels
Edit 2: don't forget the 8.2k pen doesn't include the 6k breach. My point is is not difficult to have > 6k spell damage with 14k pen with 2 crafted sets
I'm not running that on a Magblade. Vat is currently broken beyond belief and zaan's requires you to stick to the target like glue. This lacks mobility a nightblade needs, sure it may work on a DK.
can be for a mag dk, mag necro, magplar, even could be fine on magsorc or magden or magblade (brawler style with healing cloak)
i mean, you are a bombastic soul so you will run what works for that. cya in cyrodiil
I am bombastic and my bombs are fantastic. 2