Always auto-joining Voice Chat... normal???

DragonRacer · June 2021

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

It is intended that you automatically join zone chat

Nobody asked for this.

And pretty sure nobody is happy this is now A Thing.

I do not wish to be in zone voice chat. Now I have to manually exit that channel every single time I switch characters. Sometimes even just switching zones, I get thrust back in.

Not cool.

It should be my choice to join voice chat and hear screaming children and terrible music blared over peoples' mics, not forced upon me the moment I log in.

Nord_Raseri · June 2021

The other day when I left area chat it put me in a group chat. A group I wasn't in(I wasn't in any group). I could hear them, but they couldn't hear me, or aware I was even there. There was no option to leave, either. Very weird. Had to relog.

Destai · June 2021

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Hey everyone, thanks for all your reports on this. Just wanted to touch on a few things called out:
It is intended that you automatically join zone chat

It is NOT intended that you automatically join with talk enabled - this is a bug that we will fix in a future incremental patch

It is also not intended that you can hear chat across alliances, which we're also working on fixing

@ZOS_GinaBruno Just as a bit of coaching, I think you need to be more specific and detailed with your words. Look at the comments - people are under the impression that auto-join voice chat is intended. Can you clear that up?

Are you saying that it's intended you automatically zone *text* chat but not voice chat? Is that what you're trying to say? Maybe phrase better like this:

It is intended that you automatically join zone chat for text only. <Speak to patch notes and issues that drove this change. It wasn't asked for.>
It is NOT intended that you automatically join with talk enabled - this is a bug that we will fix in a future incremental patch. <State timeframe or uncertainty of timeframe. This is a deliverable product, people appreciate timeframes.>
It is also not intended that you can hear chat across alliances, which we're also working on fixing <State timeframe or uncertainty of timeframe.

Please don't just don't fluff off this input!

frosty_117360 · June 2021

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Hey everyone, thanks for all your reports on this. Just wanted to touch on a few things called out:
It is intended that you automatically join zone chat

In what world would we ever want to automatically keep being put into zone chat? That's a terrible idea.

redlink1979 · June 2021

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Hey everyone, thanks for all your reports on this. Just wanted to touch on a few things called out:
It is intended that you automatically join zone chat (...)

@ZOS_GinaBruno Why did you people there thought it was a "great" idea to force the players to automatically join zone chat?!? No one wants that! Because:

desndb wrote: »

(...)
Random people yelling at their children and SOs.
Loud obnoxious music.
All manner of foul language. (...)

+ political propaganda and other nonsenses players really don't want to hear while trying to chill by playing the game.

count_dingo · June 2021

@ZOS_GinaBruno

Please clarify whether it is intentional to be automatically placed in AREA voice channel

I believe what you mean is zone chat (in the chat window) is automatic, but AREA voice channel should not be and will be fixed, but your verbiage confused the issue for me. Please confirm.

ShinyBacon · June 2021

this is also really a matter of privacy. I think a lot of people are not aware that they can be heard in voice chat.. was doing my writs this morning and heard someone discussing some very private details on the phone with his bank.

this is a security issue and needs to be changed ASAP.

Rittings · June 2021

I was in a group chat earlier with 20 people after doing a BG... I wasn't even in a group.

You can also hear zone chat from different instances... and I could even continue to hear it in my house.

dotme · June 2021

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

It is also not intended that you can hear chat across alliances....

...It's highly entertaining in Cyrodiil though.

kelseaux · June 2021

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Hey everyone, thanks for all your reports on this. Just wanted to touch on a few things called out:
It is intended that you automatically join zone chat

It is NOT intended that you automatically join with talk enabled - this is a bug that we will fix in a future incremental patch

It is also not intended that you can hear chat across alliances, which we're also working on fixing

Being in area chat automatically is such a bad idea. The amount of people that yell, and cuss, and blast music in area chat w no regard for everyone. I’d rather not have my ears bleed upon loading into the game.

Gadget4 · June 2021

I’m sick to death already with the auto-join zone voice chat ... the sooner this ridiculous change is reverted, the better

six2fall · June 2021

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Hey everyone, thanks for all your reports on this. Just wanted to touch on a few things called out:
It is intended that you automatically join zone chat

It is NOT intended that you automatically join with talk enabled - this is a bug that we will fix in a future incremental patch

It is also not intended that you can hear chat across alliances, which we're also working on fixing

So while fixing the enabled part can you just go ahead and change the auto joining part as well? It is really annoying having to constantly leave chat every time load up a character

codierussell · June 2021

Destai wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Hey everyone, thanks for all your reports on this. Just wanted to touch on a few things called out:
It is intended that you automatically join zone chat

It is NOT intended that you automatically join with talk enabled - this is a bug that we will fix in a future incremental patch

It is also not intended that you can hear chat across alliances, which we're also working on fixing

@ZOS_GinaBruno Just as a bit of coaching, I think you need to be more specific and detailed with your words. Look at the comments - people are under the impression that auto-join voice chat is intended. Can you clear that up?

Are you saying that it's intended you automatically zone *text* chat but not voice chat? Is that what you're trying to say? Maybe phrase better like this:
It is intended that you automatically join zone chat for text only. <Speak to patch notes and issues that drove this change. It wasn't asked for.>

It is NOT intended that you automatically join with talk enabled - this is a bug that we will fix in a future incremental patch. <State timeframe or uncertainty of timeframe. This is a deliverable product, people appreciate timeframes.>

It is also not intended that you can hear chat across alliances, which we're also working on fixing <State timeframe or uncertainty of timeframe.

Please don't just don't fluff off this input!

What are you talking about obviously in a thread about voice chat she was talking about voice chat not text chat. You can't leave zone text chat, all you can do is remove chat from your UI.

count_dingo · June 2021

codierussell wrote: »

What are you talking about obviously in a thread about voice chat she was talking about voice chat not text chat.

This is the assumption, but no, it isn't obvious whether she meant text or voice. That's why we want clarification. Don't muddy the already murky waters.

ZOS_GinaBruno · June 2021

Hey everyone, we appreciate your continued feedback and reports here. Just to clarify, there are a few different issues we are tracking and working on fixing:

When automatically joining area chat, everyone’s mics are automatically turning on. While joining area chat isn’t a new feature, it’s certainly more noticeable now due to the fact that all mics are automatically activated. This is not intended and we plan to implement a fix in a future incremental patch.
Your session preferences are also not saving across sessions, which is making the issue above exponentially worse.
There’s an issue where you may be hearing players across different alliances which we’re also working on fixing.

Thanks for your continued patience here!

deleted220717-003304 · June 2021

Please reconsider that change, and turn off automatically joining the area voice chat. Even if one's own mic is turned off once this is fixed, one still has to hear the other people, and for reasons such as the ones others have posted already, that is neither pleasant nor a good idea to have happen in general.
And of course having to click through the menus each time between loading characters is just too much. But even if preferences are saved in the future, please just turn it off in general and make the voice chat opt-in.

codierussell · June 2021

count_dingo wrote: »

codierussell wrote: »

What are you talking about obviously in a thread about voice chat she was talking about voice chat not text chat.

This is the assumption, but no, it isn't obvious whether she meant text or voice. That's why we want clarification. Don't muddy the already murky waters.

My hope in the school system is fading. THIS IS A THREAD ABOUT VOICE CHAT NOT TEXT CHAT, why would Gina comment on a VOICE CHAT THREAD about text chat. Gina doesn't have to clarify anything because 99% of people know what the conversation is about, then apparently the two of you read one sentence and start commenting not knowing even the title of the thread.

fizl101 · June 2021

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Hey everyone, we appreciate your continued feedback and reports here. Just to clarify, there are a few different issues we are tracking and working on fixing:
When automatically joining area chat, everyone’s mics are automatically turning on. While joining area chat isn’t a new feature, it’s certainly more noticeable now due to the fact that all mics are automatically activated. This is not intended and we plan to implement a fix in a future incremental patch.

Your session preferences are also not saving across sessions, which is making the issue above exponentially worse.

There’s an issue where you may be hearing players across different alliances which we’re also working on fixing.

Thanks for your continued patience here!

Please revert to it remembering your preference as to whether you are in area voice chat or not. Whether mic is enabled or not I don't want to hear area chat. Until the blackwood update if I left area chat I didn't rejoin it again with that character

Thank you

count_dingo · June 2021

codierussell wrote: »

My hope in the school system is fading. THIS IS A THREAD ABOUT VOICE CHAT NOT TEXT CHAT, why would Gina comment on a VOICE CHAT THREAD about text chat. Gina doesn't have to clarify anything because 99% of people know what the conversation is about, then apparently the two of you read one sentence and start commenting not knowing even the title of the thread.

Why would she? Maybe because she has access to information we don't. Maybe from ZOS's perspective, text chat and voice chat are part of the same system. Maybe she is working another related issue and it's tied to one or the other, or both. Maybe a thousand reasons, none of which neither you nor I would know, or maybe none. Maybe it's only about what's in the title (which I do know, and I was the 3rd post in it providing additional detail). Clarification was requested because, in HER WORDS, she stated it is intended to automatically join zone chat:

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

It is intended that you automatically join zone chat

With that, we have two forms of local communication being discussed:
1) AREA voice chat, and
2) ZONE text chat.

Hence the request for clarification on whether we should be joining AREA voice chat automatically. If you could get past your snotty attitude and read. CAREFULLY, what we're asking, you'd see why.

So again, in a "THREAD ABOUT VOICE CHAT NOT TEXT CHAT," (your emphasis), why *would* she bring up zone chat, which is text?

Regardless, she did clarify. Same as before, new characters join area voice chat. Leaving it on that character should be a permanent setting (set by leaving the channel), but the setting reverts to default (join area voice at character load), and they'll be patching it. Good enough for me.

itscompton · June 2021

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Hey everyone, we appreciate your continued feedback and reports here. Just to clarify, there are a few different issues we are tracking and working on fixing:
When automatically joining area chat, everyone’s mics are automatically turning on. While joining area chat isn’t a new feature, it’s certainly more noticeable now due to the fact that all mics are automatically activated. This is not intended and we plan to implement a fix in a future incremental patch.

Your session preferences are also not saving across sessions, which is making the issue above exponentially worse.

There’s an issue where you may be hearing players across different alliances which we’re also working on fixing.

Thanks for your continued patience here!

I think I was the first to call this out on the forums as I thought it would be toxic but it's actually kind of cool to be able to hear people in the other alliances in the Cyro Zone chat. I've heard very little cross alliance chat that would be considered inappropriate and it's fun to hear when people recognize you and call you out to warn their teammates.
IMO this should stay but give us the option to mute individuals as the biggest abuse has been wanna be "DJ's" blasting area chat with music streamed over crappy mics because they are lacking for attention or something.

SpiritofESO · June 2021

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Hey everyone, thanks for all your reports on this. Just wanted to touch on a few things called out:
It is intended that you automatically join zone chat

It is NOT intended that you automatically join with talk enabled - this is a bug that we will fix in a future incremental patch

It is also not intended that you can hear chat across alliances, which we're also working on fixing

Thank you for the response.

Perhaps a word to those who determine such things that "intended to automatically join zone chat" is -- in brief -- a really bad idea. Might an OPTION be created to CHOOSE to join or NOT join automatically?

Example Option: "Join Zone Chat Automatically" ON / OFF

Players just love it when we get to have choices.

Raveπa · June 2021

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Hey everyone, thanks for all your reports on this. Just wanted to touch on a few things called out:
It is intended that you automatically join zone chat

It is NOT intended that you automatically join with talk enabled - this is a bug that we will fix in a future incremental patch

It is also not intended that you can hear chat across alliances, which we're also working on fixing

So now ZOS has decided to completely ignore those players who have intentionally chosen to not be tortured by area voice chat?? It's bad enough we have to see the hostile text chat roll on the screen in order to not miss guild chat. Now you added the insanity of area chats to the mix. I (and pretty sure I am not alone here) will not listen to the profanities, overbearing music covering all game sounds, someone eating, various ear torturing sound issues, and family fights while trying to enjoy the game. Area voice chat is by far the worst creation in ESO and forcing it on the players takes away whatever is left of the enjoyment while tackling with the numerous bugs that already made it challenging.

Destai · June 2021

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Hey everyone, we appreciate your continued feedback and reports here. Just to clarify, there are a few different issues we are tracking and working on fixing:
When automatically joining area chat, everyone’s mics are automatically turning on. While joining area chat isn’t a new feature, it’s certainly more noticeable now due to the fact that all mics are automatically activated. This is not intended and we plan to implement a fix in a future incremental patch.

Your session preferences are also not saving across sessions, which is making the issue above exponentially worse.

There’s an issue where you may be hearing players across different alliances which we’re also working on fixing.

Thanks for your continued patience here!

Thank you for clarifying, it's much appreciated! Hopefully this can be fixed soon. In principle, any zone chats should be opt-in - you're going to server resources and respect people's privacy. Going forward, maybe the developers can come to appreciate opt-in to any feature rather than opt-out - it's just the polite form of content development.