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Scrying/Excavating why no XP?

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We get XP for opening chests.. we get XP even for doing some of the easiest quests in the game (like go fetch a rock quests that take 60 seconds)... so why no XP for scrying and excavating? I really think there should be - and it would make this cool feature more attractive for many players too. Nothing extravagent... something like opening a chest would suffice... but I feel as though the grind for multiple toons to level up the line has very little reward to offer ... a bit of an incentive would certainly help.
  • Mythreindeer
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    Furniture, gold, mythic items. Probably adequate reward
  • Giraffon
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    I think this is reasonable. Chest level XP when you successfully excavate something.
    Giraffon - Beta Lizard - For the Pact!
  • Sylvermynx
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    The gold is enough reward.
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    Furniture, gold, mythic items. Probably adequate reward

    So... gold, furniture, set pieces, paintings, motifs etc (from chests) adequate reward? No XP or legerdermain increase for you for opening chests!! lol.

    Like Giraffon said... this is a reasonable request. I don't need the furniture if I don't have a house... the mythic pieces are merely a gimmick in most circumstances and you only get gold if you actually find that, and 1 in 10 don't give any gold at all. Sooo... a little XP would be a nice addition right? Not much... just enough to AT LEAST equal the successful lockpicking of a door or chest.
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    Sylvermynx wrote: »
    The gold is enough reward.

    What gold is this you're speaking of?? You get some from the treasures first time you're leveling a toon - after that, no purple treasures...

    Am I missing something??? You only get gold if you find it in the extra items - and often you don't find it. Like I said... the ONLY incentive for grinding up a 2nd toon is for the chest spotter passive (which, like anything else in the game, often doesn't even work). Beyond that... no real incentive unless you are a housing fanatic that just HAS to have 26 Void-Crystal Anomolies to complete your crazy home...

    Again... not asking for crazy XP... just that which befits the same as getting a chest or even a locked door open. In fact, you make MORE gold from popping safeboxes ... and guess what?? THEY GIVE YOU XP TOO!!!!.... maybe ZoS should take away XP from chests and safeboxes. Is that what you want?

    I mean... you grind the lead... you scry the item... you run all over the zone and find the excavation spot... a little xp is hardly much to ask for after all that.
  • Sylvermynx
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    You get 1250 gold for the green and blue digs for each zone. I do them on every character, because I really hate being out on a lowbie alt, getting a master lead and having to swap right then to someone else to dig it (because if I don't I'll forget it's there most likely). Not to mention that antiquities is a LOT more fun than writs and the MQ....

    I wouldn't know about safeboxes - I don't mess with the justice system at all. Yes, all my characters are goody-two-shoes....

    I just don't see any need for xp for it, sorry. YMMV obviously, that's fine.
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    Sylvermynx wrote: »
    You get 1250 gold for the green and blue digs for each zone. I do them on every character, because I really hate being out on a lowbie alt, getting a master lead and having to swap right then to someone else to dig it (because if I don't I'll forget it's there most likely). Not to mention that antiquities is a LOT more fun than writs and the MQ....

    I wouldn't know about safeboxes - I don't mess with the justice system at all. Yes, all my characters are goody-two-shoes....

    I just don't see any need for xp for it, sorry. YMMV obviously, that's fine.

    Okay... arguably, you get lots of loot from dungeons and dungeon monsters - maybe remove xp from those? Reward of gear/gold etc should be adequate right? lol.

    Also no offense, but 1,250 gold for 2 scys/excavates that take approximately 5 mins to fulfil (at best) is a VERY slow grind for gold lol. I get 5.1k just for handing in my writs on each toon - and that takes my 3 mins tops (including load times) lol. Oh, and I get XP for that too!! lol.

    It just seems a little odd that EVERY activity seems to give XP - why is scrying and excavating the ONLY thing that doesn't???
  • Sylvermynx
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    I think there was an explanation at some point. I don't remember what it was now. I don't mess with dungeons - ping's way too high for group content, so no clue about gold/rewards/xp for that.

    I do what's fun for me. And I'm not in any hurry to get xp for anything. I solo, I enjoy the quests (which don't actually give much xp). Five minutes or so in each zone in the game is nice, because I farm nodes while there too. You don't get xp for nodes.... and maybe that's what the devs consider digsites to be?

    Anyway, if you talk them into xp for it, that'll make you happy. I still won't care.
  • AlnilamE
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    Rittings wrote: »
    Furniture, gold, mythic items. Probably adequate reward

    So... gold, furniture, set pieces, paintings, motifs etc (from chests) adequate reward? No XP or legerdermain increase for you for opening chests!! lol.

    Like Giraffon said... this is a reasonable request. I don't need the furniture if I don't have a house... the mythic pieces are merely a gimmick in most circumstances and you only get gold if you actually find that, and 1 in 10 don't give any gold at all. Sooo... a little XP would be a nice addition right? Not much... just enough to AT LEAST equal the successful lockpicking of a door or chest.

    You get XP in the Scrying/Excavating line.

    Also, you only get XP and Legerdemain XP when you unlock a chest. Not for forcing or looting one that was opened for you. But the whole point of Legerdemain IS chests and safeboxes and making them easier to unlock. If you remove that XP from them, how would you suggest the skill line gets leveled up?

    I scry for the items I get (and in the case of my alts, to level them to 7 so they can get glowy chests)
    The Moot Councillor
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    Nodes take no skill or effort though... and actually, some quests give you a TON of XP (as well as gold and gear). Like I say... I see lockpicking as much easier than scrying/excavating yet the reward for that is still higher than the latter. With Greymoor about to hit the crown store as Blackwood comes out - I think a little xp for newer players would go a long way... and it's not like it will become a new xp grind farm when we have the likes of Blackrose Prison/Skyreach/Spellscar already in place. It's just a little something for those of use grinding a skill line just to get to level 7 for the chest spotter passive...

    Btw... I have 126 void anomolies in one of my storage houses... thus my reference to that... the grind up is very real... and quite... unrewarding lol.
  • Sylvermynx
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    Each to her own. I find antiquities to be one of the most fun things in the game - along with the Psijic quest line.
  • Mythreindeer
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    Rittings wrote: »
    Furniture, gold, mythic items. Probably adequate reward

    So... gold, furniture, set pieces, paintings, motifs etc (from chests) adequate reward? No XP or legerdermain increase for you for opening chests!! lol.

    Like Giraffon said... this is a reasonable request. I don't need the furniture if I don't have a house... the mythic pieces are merely a gimmick in most circumstances and you only get gold if you actually find that, and 1 in 10 don't give any gold at all. Sooo... a little XP would be a nice addition right? Not much... just enough to AT LEAST equal the successful lockpicking of a door or chest.

    You can get buckets of gold with antiquities system...easy.

    Mythics a gimmick? Lol. No need to be argumentative to attempt support for your position.

    There is big reward in this system as it is for those willing to exploit it.
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    There's no reason at all that excavating an item shouldn't give you at least 1k xp. I was really surprised when I learned that neither scrying or excavating didn't give any xp. The arguments saying it shouldn't just go against everything else in game. If someone spends an entire day scrying and excavating is it really gonna be gamebreaking that they gain half a CP or god forbid a whole CP?
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    XxCaLxX wrote: »
    There's no reason at all that excavating an item shouldn't give you at least 1k xp. I was really surprised when I learned that neither scrying or excavating didn't give any xp. The arguments saying it shouldn't just go against everything else in game. If someone spends an entire day scrying and excavating is it really gonna be gamebreaking that they gain half a CP or god forbid a whole CP?

    And is it gamebreaking that it doesn't? Not for me.
    The Moot Councillor
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    I don't think you get XP for finding lore books or closing Psijic portals, either. And you get "inspiration", but no XP or gold from decon of gear. ZOS just kind of randomly decide that some skills rank up from doing things other than gaining XP.
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    I don't think there's any "Guild" skill line where raising your 'rank' or 'faction' or whatever is directly tied to XP.

    Legerdemain seems like an outlier by allowing XP on unlocking chests. Or rather, I think unlocking chests coincidentally gives XP at the same time it gives Legerdemain skill. You could raise Legerdemain without opening a single lock, by fencing items.

    Fighter's Guild you also coincidentally get XP while killing Daedra, but it's not a direct relationship.

    Would it break anything if scrying worked like a treasure chest? No but it also doesn't seem to add all that much either.
    Edited by Fennwitty on May 25, 2021 7:07PM
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    You can get buckets of gold with antiquities system...easy.

    Mythics a gimmick? Lol. No need to be argumentative to attempt support for your position.

    There is big reward in this system as it is for those willing to exploit it.

    Buckets of gold? I think not. There are about a hundred more effecitve ways to farm gold... that's not meant to be argumentative either, that's just a cold hard fact.

    Mythics are quite gimmicky... they are rarely used in end game content, and aside from the pale order ring - they serve little, to no, purpose other than an alternative (but less effective) way to play. Sure they are fun (like running around with the wild hunt ring on, even though you can hit speed cap in other ways etc).... but ultmately, they aren't necessary to achieve anything.

    Big rward for those willing to exploit it? Funnily enough.. if there was, I think most of us would have heard of it. I've grinded up 7 toons now to completed antiquities... and there's no money it, no obvious exploit to me in it... it's just a hard grind for toons after the first (since the purple treasures are only available one time)... I've googled everywhere for this "big reward" via "exploit" - and drawn a blank... maybe you could elaborate further (to enable discussion) without actually stating what it is.

    The facts are simple here... the rewards are okay - but no better than treasure chests (in fact, they are lesser if you aren't into housing at all). The only reason I've grinded toons up is for the chest spotter passive - which, like I said, often doesn't even work correctly....

    It's not much to request this to be reviewed and see that an awful lot more work goes into a successful excavation than does just simply opening a chest - so you'd think the least that could happen is you get duly rewarded with a bit of xp... nothing grossly exploitative, just something on a par.
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    Fennwitty wrote: »
    I don't think there's any "Guild" skill line where raising your 'rank' or 'faction' or whatever is directly tied to XP.

    Undaunted skill line... you get XP each time you get an achievement that ups your undaunted skill line. that's just off the top of my head too. I mean, you also get xp for mages guild repeatables that up your mages guild...

    There's only one place I know of that you can level fighter's guild WITHOUT getting XP...

  • Athan1
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    It already provides sufficient rewards.
    Athan Atticus Imperial Templar of Shezarr
  • XxCaLxX
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    AlnilamE wrote: »
    XxCaLxX wrote: »
    There's no reason at all that excavating an item shouldn't give you at least 1k xp. I was really surprised when I learned that neither scrying or excavating didn't give any xp. The arguments saying it shouldn't just go against everything else in game. If someone spends an entire day scrying and excavating is it really gonna be gamebreaking that they gain half a CP or god forbid a whole CP?

    And is it gamebreaking that it doesn't? Not for me.

    Seeing as it’s been this way almost a year no it isn’t gamebreaking. I just think if a player devoted a lot of time into doing it then why would a lil xp hurt? Don’t think anyone will exploit it to reach 3600. Honestly I don’t know how anyone could continuously do it other than leveling the skill lines but not everyone explores all aspects of the game.
  • disintegr8
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    I found leveling antiquities was a very boring task and was surprised that it didn't award XP as I did so.

    Not that I need the XP or the gold from selling the items, it just means that it's something I'll only complete on one character and have it dig up everything I get leads for.
    Australian on PS4 NA server.
    Everyone's entitled to an opinion.
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