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Elusiin
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... Vampire changes are good, and the vampire is actually in a good place that is enjoyable experien and feels balanced after the base game changes (champion system overhaul, class buffs/nerfs, health recovery battle spirit nerf, etc).
I said what I said (as someone who raged hard on the forum and quit eso when the changes hit live, only to come back last week).
Also, the upcoming set changes make me smile. No more full tanks dishing out stupid damage with proc sets. The galaxy is at peace. : )
Edited by Elusiin on May 19, 2021 12:55PM I said what I said (as someone who raged hard on the forum and quit eso when the changes hit live, only to come back last week).
Also, the upcoming set changes make me smile. No more full tanks dishing out stupid damage with proc sets. The galaxy is at peace. : )
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Parasaurolophus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I agree. I am glad that vampirism is not a must have for every class due to the 10% regen. I was happy to finally cleanse my characters of this curse. Yes, now vampirism has more penalties and is more specific. But this does not mean that he has become worse.PC/EU6 -
Ringing_Nirnroot✭✭✭✭✭I wish they didn’t force my vampire to become a vampire lord, I miss the bat swarm ulti12 -
KhajiitLivesMatter✭✭✭✭Ringing_Nirnroot wrote: »I wish they didn’t force my vampire to become a vampire lord, I miss the bat swarm ulti
the correct morph of the ult is basicly batswarm v2 just a better version of it1 -
Jierdanit✭✭✭✭✭
✭KhajiitLivesMatter wrote: »Ringing_Nirnroot wrote: »I wish they didn’t force my vampire to become a vampire lord, I miss the bat swarm ulti
the correct morph of the ult is basicly batswarm v2 just a better version of it
It looks absolutely terrible though.PC/EU, StamSorc Main6 -
barney2525✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I got vampirism for my templar, for the white dye.
I keep it for the stealth passive. And to be able to help out other who are looking for the bite.
I do not feel this particular vampire skill set is very immersive as to my preconceived ideas of what a vampire Should be like.
These make no sense to me:
Vampires change physically, daily, based on blood intake (vampires should need blood like the normal person needs food. people don't get ugly when they miss a meal, or when they eat a lot )
Vampires lose access to skills depending on how much blood is in their system, as in 'must be at a specific stage to use skill'. ( a weight lifter who misses a meal can still go work out and do their normal routine )
As an aside, Passives, for Any character, should not cost skill points. Once a character hits a specific level, the passive kicks in and they always have it, is they way IMHO it should be. How much sense does it make to be able, for example, to sneak at normal speed, then do a respec where you don't have the point available for the passive anymore, so a skill you have been using is no longer available ??
That, IMHO, is nuts.
IMHO
Edited by barney2525 on May 19, 2021 5:11PM4 -
KhajiitLivesMatter✭✭✭✭KhajiitLivesMatter wrote: »Ringing_Nirnroot wrote: »I wish they didn’t force my vampire to become a vampire lord, I miss the bat swarm ulti
the correct morph of the ult is basicly batswarm v2 just a better version of it
It looks absolutely terrible though.
does the same dmg
u get life steal on everything not just ult dmg
u get wallhack
u get +10k resources0 -
miteba✭✭✭✭First, unpopular or not, everybody has the right to have an opinion and be treated with respect.
Second, about vampirism, i don't have the same opinion.
I really don't think vampire were overpowered before. It obviously had It's advantages as it had some weaknesses...
What i know is that i had it on 6 (or 7) of my 16 chars ( and 4/5 werewolfs) and now i have in 2 (and probably will cure 1 of these 2).
I didn't cure them just because of stats...
I cured them because although vampire class has some creative skills, which reward the risk, their role is for more niche builds, a much more volatile approach which doesn't fit PvE neither PvP, as they are right now.
It just don't amazes me to play as vampire, It's not remotely fun. I only use one build where it fits, which is a magblade (my mag necro vampire is leaving the building).
Third, about set changes...
Let it go live and after a week we shall see!
The horizon is full of dark clouds, are they coming or going?
[Edit] Rephrase <and be respected for it> for <and be treated with respect>Edited by miteba on May 19, 2021 11:22PM1 -
barney2525✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭First, unpopular or not, everybody has the right to have an opinion and be respected for it.
Second, about vampirism, i don't have the same opinion.
I really don't think vampire were overpowered before. It obviously had It's advantages as it had some weaknesses...
What i know is that i had it on 6 (or 7) of my 16 chars ( and 4/5 werewolfs) and now i have in 2 (and probably will cure 1 of these 2).
I didn't cure them just because of stats...
I cured them because although vampire class has some creative skills, which reward the risk, their role is for more niche builds, a much more volatile approach which doesn't fit PvE neither PvP, as they are right now.
It just don't amazes me to play as vampire, It's not remotely fun. I only use one build where it fits, which is a magblade (my mag necro vampire is leaving the building).
Third, about set changes...
Let it go live and after a week we shall see!
The horizon is full of dark clouds, are they coming or going?
minor point. Yes, everyone has a right to their own opinion. Absolutely.
Every opinion should be respected .... disagree. For example, If your opinion is that the best way to cure a paper cut is to dip the finger in gasoline and ignite it, then I don't respect that opinion. And quite frankly, in 65 years I have heard a LOT of opinions that I have no respect for. Never said they should not have their opinion. But I certainly do Not respect some of the opinions that have been shared with me.
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miteba✭✭✭✭@barney2525 I agree with you.
I said respected as to the person not be bullyed for giving an unpopular opinion.
I didn't mean respect the opinion per se, where we can agree or disagree with it.
I will rephrase it ... Thanks!0 -
Red_Feather✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭My only wish for vampire is to make Perfect Scion a toggle because it's not useful otherwise.0 -
Elusiin✭✭✭✭✭Red_Feather wrote: »My only wish for vampire is to make Perfect Scion a toggle because it's not useful otherwise.
Why a toggle?? As it is now, you get a full heal when you activate it, so just before you ult in pvp, you can spam your riskier skills (frenzy and blood for blood). It's really good, it just takes a lot of thinking to find a good build that doesn't need the ultimate at 100% uptime.
Also side note, an orc with the lightest color skin from character creation, with vampirism looks a lot like the vampire lord, but smaller. Plus their racial passive essentially gives vampire a health recovery during combat, definitely worth checking out if you get some free time. : )2 -
Jierdanit✭✭✭✭✭
✭KhajiitLivesMatter wrote: »KhajiitLivesMatter wrote: »Ringing_Nirnroot wrote: »I wish they didn’t force my vampire to become a vampire lord, I miss the bat swarm ulti
the correct morph of the ult is basicly batswarm v2 just a better version of it
It looks absolutely terrible though.
does the same dmg
u get life steal on everything not just ult dmg
u get wallhack
u get +10k resources
Well they also more than doubled the cost of the ult to make up for that.PC/EU, StamSorc Main2 -
Starlight_Whisper✭✭✭✭✭
✭Just because you say so doesn't make it true. The debuffs are overkill in cp 2.02 -
Ryuvain✭✭✭✭✭
✭Feel like most call vampire terrible even when they've never used it. Most want the negative skill cost removed when that's the only thing preventing vampire from being broken.That one khajiit obsessed with werewolf behemoth and vampire lord. Lady Thorn is bae, dont @ me.
Werewolf behemoth=vampire lord>blood scion>werewolf>vampire.1 -
KhajiitLivesMatter✭✭✭✭Feel like most call vampire terrible even when they've never used it. Most want the negative skill cost removed when that's the only thing preventing vampire from being broken.
most of the skills are crap thats the reason:
1. skill trash cause meele mag spammable - most have range skills
2. unusable - always
3. decent heal but not to good cause its a chanel
4. a stun where the enemie has to look at u - nearly everthing else is bettter
5. mist form is fine but in no world broken
6. ult is pretty good but there are better ults
so nothing realy good in the skill tree the best will likly be the 30% dmg reduction passive but without that vampire would be trash and yea without the negative cost it would at least be worth to try it but atm its just waste2 -
Ryuvain✭✭✭✭✭
✭KhajiitLivesMatter wrote: »Feel like most call vampire terrible even when they've never used it. Most want the negative skill cost removed when that's the only thing preventing vampire from being broken.
most of the skills are crap thats the reason:
1. skill trash cause meele mag spammable - most have range skills
2. unusable - always
3. decent heal but not to good cause its a chanel
4. a stun where the enemie has to look at u - nearly everthing else is bettter
5. mist form is fine but in no world broken
6. ult is pretty good but there are better ults
so nothing realy good in the skill tree the best will likly be the 30% dmg reduction passive but without that vampire would be trash and yea without the negative cost it would at least be worth to try it but atm its just waste
Thing is, you DONT have to use every vampire skill. Just use the best ones with the rest of your entire class. Boom, its good for you then.That one khajiit obsessed with werewolf behemoth and vampire lord. Lady Thorn is bae, dont @ me.
Werewolf behemoth=vampire lord>blood scion>werewolf>vampire.2 -
KhajiitLivesMatter✭✭✭✭KhajiitLivesMatter wrote: »Feel like most call vampire terrible even when they've never used it. Most want the negative skill cost removed when that's the only thing preventing vampire from being broken.
most of the skills are crap thats the reason:
1. skill trash cause meele mag spammable - most have range skills
2. unusable - always
3. decent heal but not to good cause its a chanel
4. a stun where the enemie has to look at u - nearly everthing else is bettter
5. mist form is fine but in no world broken
6. ult is pretty good but there are better ults
so nothing realy good in the skill tree the best will likly be the 30% dmg reduction passive but without that vampire would be trash and yea without the negative cost it would at least be worth to try it but atm its just waste
Thing is, you DONT have to use every vampire skill. Just use the best ones with the rest of your entire class. Boom, its good for you then.
yea sure but e.g. i think mistform is the best of the skills but if i wanna use it i still have 11 other skills which all will cost 3%(?) more and that is not worth for just 1 skill5 -
miteba✭✭✭✭KhajiitLivesMatter wrote: »so nothing realy good in the skill tree the best will likly be the 30% dmg reduction passive
The same example for this one.
Undeath passive is great in combination with Pariah set, in somewhat tankier builds, but you will need Stage 3 which means -60% health recovery, +13% flame dmg taken, +8% regular ability cost
If you ask me, It's only acceptable in a very niche build, which i use but... Sometimes i think for myself if im crazy on having all these debuffs just for 2 passives and eventually 2 skills
So i went from 7 to 1 vampireEdited by miteba on May 21, 2021 1:08AM1 -
Ryuvain✭✭✭✭✭
✭KhajiitLivesMatter wrote: »KhajiitLivesMatter wrote: »Feel like most call vampire terrible even when they've never used it. Most want the negative skill cost removed when that's the only thing preventing vampire from being broken.
most of the skills are crap thats the reason:
1. skill trash cause meele mag spammable - most have range skills
2. unusable - always
3. decent heal but not to good cause its a chanel
4. a stun where the enemie has to look at u - nearly everthing else is bettter
5. mist form is fine but in no world broken
6. ult is pretty good but there are better ults
so nothing realy good in the skill tree the best will likly be the 30% dmg reduction passive but without that vampire would be trash and yea without the negative cost it would at least be worth to try it but atm its just waste
Thing is, you DONT have to use every vampire skill. Just use the best ones with the rest of your entire class. Boom, its good for you then.
yea sure but e.g. i think mistform is the best of the skills but if i wanna use it i still have 11 other skills which all will cost 3%(?) more and that is not worth for just 1 skill
3% cost is not worth 75% damage reduction and some cc cleanse on demand?
Whatever, I'm still playing vampire because it's worth it with my math.Edited by Ryuvain on May 21, 2021 3:15AMThat one khajiit obsessed with werewolf behemoth and vampire lord. Lady Thorn is bae, dont @ me.
Werewolf behemoth=vampire lord>blood scion>werewolf>vampire.2 -
LadySinflower✭✭✭✭✭I love vampire lore, movies, and books. I enjoy how they are portrayed as powerful and sexy in most media. But in ESO I have no desire to play a vampire. They are ugly and I don't want an ugly character. I'm not beautiful in real life and want to be beautiful within the world of fantasy that I choose to occupy in gaming. So there it is.2 -
KhajiitLivesMatter✭✭✭✭KhajiitLivesMatter wrote: »KhajiitLivesMatter wrote: »Feel like most call vampire terrible even when they've never used it. Most want the negative skill cost removed when that's the only thing preventing vampire from being broken.
most of the skills are crap thats the reason:
1. skill trash cause meele mag spammable - most have range skills
2. unusable - always
3. decent heal but not to good cause its a chanel
4. a stun where the enemie has to look at u - nearly everthing else is bettter
5. mist form is fine but in no world broken
6. ult is pretty good but there are better ults
so nothing realy good in the skill tree the best will likly be the 30% dmg reduction passive but without that vampire would be trash and yea without the negative cost it would at least be worth to try it but atm its just waste
Thing is, you DONT have to use every vampire skill. Just use the best ones with the rest of your entire class. Boom, its good for you then.
yea sure but e.g. i think mistform is the best of the skills but if i wanna use it i still have 11 other skills which all will cost 3%(?) more and that is not worth for just 1 skill
3% cost is not worth 75% damage reduction and some cc cleanse on demand?
Whatever, I'm still playing vampire because it's worth it with my math.
i just compare skill cost atm because before i can even use the skill in total i have to pay 33% more (3%x11skills) to get 6% reduction which sounds like a pretty bad deal0 -
Ryuvain✭✭✭✭✭
✭KhajiitLivesMatter wrote: »KhajiitLivesMatter wrote: »KhajiitLivesMatter wrote: »Feel like most call vampire terrible even when they've never used it. Most want the negative skill cost removed when that's the only thing preventing vampire from being broken.
most of the skills are crap thats the reason:
1. skill trash cause meele mag spammable - most have range skills
2. unusable - always
3. decent heal but not to good cause its a chanel
4. a stun where the enemie has to look at u - nearly everthing else is bettter
5. mist form is fine but in no world broken
6. ult is pretty good but there are better ults
so nothing realy good in the skill tree the best will likly be the 30% dmg reduction passive but without that vampire would be trash and yea without the negative cost it would at least be worth to try it but atm its just waste
Thing is, you DONT have to use every vampire skill. Just use the best ones with the rest of your entire class. Boom, its good for you then.
yea sure but e.g. i think mistform is the best of the skills but if i wanna use it i still have 11 other skills which all will cost 3%(?) more and that is not worth for just 1 skill
3% cost is not worth 75% damage reduction and some cc cleanse on demand?
Whatever, I'm still playing vampire because it's worth it with my math.
i just compare skill cost atm because before i can even use the skill in total i have to pay 33% more (3%x11skills) to get 6% reduction which sounds like a pretty bad deal
How is 3% = 33%?
What?
Yes it's 3% across the board, but it's still not 33%? Also you are discounting the passives advantage and the vampire skills worth, along with vampire cost reduction. All that for 3% cost on other skills? 3%.
Seriously, if an ability costs 1000 then it will cost 1030 after. You mean to tell me that 30 cost kills your entire gameplay?That one khajiit obsessed with werewolf behemoth and vampire lord. Lady Thorn is bae, dont @ me.
Werewolf behemoth=vampire lord>blood scion>werewolf>vampire.0 -
RedFireDisco✭✭✭✭I think it's hot garbage and miss the old form.
The added cost increase and the terrible skills are meh.
The acid test is just how many people cured vampirism on their characters, of which there were many.
I barely ever see mist form anymore in PVP
But... I am happy for people who enjoy the current version.3 -
Gameplay-wise, it's the lack of versatility that gets to me. Most of the skills are incredibly niche, risky or underpowered and there's a serious lack of viable options for ranged characters. The only vampire ability I use for my sorcerer is mist form and even then, I only use it occasionally since it doesn't always do what it's supposed to do.
Maybe I'm doing something wrong though, as I only started playing less than a year ago and I could just be missing something. Anyway, the majority of the problems I have with vampirism other than that are design related (such as the vampire "skin" covering face markings) or immersion related but that's a different can of worms that I don't feel like opening here.1 -
Ryuvain✭✭✭✭✭
✭Eccentric_Vampire wrote: »Gameplay-wise, it's the lack of versatility that gets to me. Most of the skills are incredibly niche, risky or underpowered and there's a serious lack of viable options for ranged characters. The only vampire ability I use for my sorcerer is mist form and even then, I only use it occasionally since it doesn't always do what it's supposed to do.
Maybe I'm doing something wrong though, as I only started playing less than a year ago and I could just be missing something. Anyway, the majority of the problems I have with vampirism other than that are design related (such as the vampire "skin" covering face markings) or immersion related but that's a different can of worms that I don't feel like opening here.
I think you would probably despise werewolf then, speaking of versatility. They only have 1 pre set bar. No mixing and no class or weapon synergy.
Vampire is complained about, but at least it's still better than wolves.Edited by Ryuvain on May 21, 2021 8:17AMThat one khajiit obsessed with werewolf behemoth and vampire lord. Lady Thorn is bae, dont @ me.
Werewolf behemoth=vampire lord>blood scion>werewolf>vampire.1 -
amm7sb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭KhajiitLivesMatter wrote: »KhajiitLivesMatter wrote: »Feel like most call vampire terrible even when they've never used it. Most want the negative skill cost removed when that's the only thing preventing vampire from being broken.
most of the skills are crap thats the reason:
1. skill trash cause meele mag spammable - most have range skills
2. unusable - always
3. decent heal but not to good cause its a chanel
4. a stun where the enemie has to look at u - nearly everthing else is bettter
5. mist form is fine but in no world broken
6. ult is pretty good but there are better ults
so nothing realy good in the skill tree the best will likly be the 30% dmg reduction passive but without that vampire would be trash and yea without the negative cost it would at least be worth to try it but atm its just waste
Thing is, you DONT have to use every vampire skill. Just use the best ones with the rest of your entire class. Boom, its good for you then.
yea sure but e.g. i think mistform is the best of the skills but if i wanna use it i still have 11 other skills which all will cost 3%(?) more and that is not worth for just 1 skill
3% cost is not worth 75% damage reduction and some cc cleanse on demand?
Whatever, I'm still playing vampire because it's worth it with my math.
Just wanted to pop in and give some support to the pro-vampire movement.
I even run vampire on my tank, and I've loved it.
Yes, the 3% increase to skill costs does kinda suck. But it's gotten to a point where I barely notice it.
The health recovery kinda sucks I guess? But I'm a necro, I have high costing ults, and I take the CP passive so I can make up a bit for that.
But the positives I do get? A personal on-demand CC purge that also doubles as a speed boost in situations where I need to navigate the room to properly stack and position the fight.
The same skill also doubles as a nice 75% damage mitigation on my backbar where I may get caught in a heavy attack without my shield.
I get the stage 3 passive that gives me stronger damage mitigation the lower my health drops, meaning when some of the fights get tricky, that little boost can help keep me alive just that little tiny bit longer for a self heal / Crimson proc / rez / etc. and keep the fight going. This passive has really helped me to be a virtually unkillable wall of undeath... unless it's a 1 shot mechanic that I missed or a full on group wipe, I don't die. Period. I could literally unequip my weapons and /laydown and not be able to die because of how much health / healing / mitigation I have with this setup.
While my necro Goliath is the preferred transformation ult in most situations due to the heavy health boost, there are times where the vampire transformation is preferred due to the increase in stamina, allowing me to block more incoming damage. While Perfect Scion is scoffed at, it does give me a nice 20 second window or so where I can really not have to focus on resources while I'm dropping my taunts, debuffs, and CC's, since there is no more cost penalty.
Spammable gives me a nice damage spammable to use while solo'ing or in a PVP environment.
I am very pro-vampire.
I'm not saying it is perfect or can't be improved. I'm just saying that I like it as is and it has some very nice tools.2 -
Ryuvain✭✭✭✭✭
✭amm7sb14_ESO wrote: »KhajiitLivesMatter wrote: »KhajiitLivesMatter wrote: »Feel like most call vampire terrible even when they've never used it. Most want the negative skill cost removed when that's the only thing preventing vampire from being broken.
most of the skills are crap thats the reason:
1. skill trash cause meele mag spammable - most have range skills
2. unusable - always
3. decent heal but not to good cause its a chanel
4. a stun where the enemie has to look at u - nearly everthing else is bettter
5. mist form is fine but in no world broken
6. ult is pretty good but there are better ults
so nothing realy good in the skill tree the best will likly be the 30% dmg reduction passive but without that vampire would be trash and yea without the negative cost it would at least be worth to try it but atm its just waste
Thing is, you DONT have to use every vampire skill. Just use the best ones with the rest of your entire class. Boom, its good for you then.
yea sure but e.g. i think mistform is the best of the skills but if i wanna use it i still have 11 other skills which all will cost 3%(?) more and that is not worth for just 1 skill
3% cost is not worth 75% damage reduction and some cc cleanse on demand?
Whatever, I'm still playing vampire because it's worth it with my math.
Just wanted to pop in and give some support to the pro-vampire movement.
I even run vampire on my tank, and I've loved it.
Yes, the 3% increase to skill costs does kinda suck. But it's gotten to a point where I barely notice it.
The health recovery kinda sucks I guess? But I'm a necro, I have high costing ults, and I take the CP passive so I can make up a bit for that.
But the positives I do get? A personal on-demand CC purge that also doubles as a speed boost in situations where I need to navigate the room to properly stack and position the fight.
The same skill also doubles as a nice 75% damage mitigation on my backbar where I may get caught in a heavy attack without my shield.
I get the stage 3 passive that gives me stronger damage mitigation the lower my health drops, meaning when some of the fights get tricky, that little boost can help keep me alive just that little tiny bit longer for a self heal / Crimson proc / rez / etc. and keep the fight going. This passive has really helped me to be a virtually unkillable wall of undeath... unless it's a 1 shot mechanic that I missed or a full on group wipe, I don't die. Period. I could literally unequip my weapons and /laydown and not be able to die because of how much health / healing / mitigation I have with this setup.
While my necro Goliath is the preferred transformation ult in most situations due to the heavy health boost, there are times where the vampire transformation is preferred due to the increase in stamina, allowing me to block more incoming damage. While Perfect Scion is scoffed at, it does give me a nice 20 second window or so where I can really not have to focus on resources while I'm dropping my taunts, debuffs, and CC's, since there is no more cost penalty.
Spammable gives me a nice damage spammable to use while solo'ing or in a PVP environment.
I am very pro-vampire.
I'm not saying it is perfect or can't be improved. I'm just saying that I like it as is and it has some very nice tools.
Nice to hear it. I also do like perfect scion for pve. If I'm just a stage 1 or 2, it will also give me the stage 3 defense along with not killing my health regen and costs. I at least think it has uses in PvE.That one khajiit obsessed with werewolf behemoth and vampire lord. Lady Thorn is bae, dont @ me.
Werewolf behemoth=vampire lord>blood scion>werewolf>vampire.1 -
Elusiin✭✭✭✭✭amm7sb14_ESO wrote: »KhajiitLivesMatter wrote: »KhajiitLivesMatter wrote: »Feel like most call vampire terrible even when they've never used it. Most want the negative skill cost removed when that's the only thing preventing vampire from being broken.
most of the skills are crap thats the reason:
1. skill trash cause meele mag spammable - most have range skills
2. unusable - always
3. decent heal but not to good cause its a chanel
4. a stun where the enemie has to look at u - nearly everthing else is bettter
5. mist form is fine but in no world broken
6. ult is pretty good but there are better ults
so nothing realy good in the skill tree the best will likly be the 30% dmg reduction passive but without that vampire would be trash and yea without the negative cost it would at least be worth to try it but atm its just waste
Thing is, you DONT have to use every vampire skill. Just use the best ones with the rest of your entire class. Boom, its good for you then.
yea sure but e.g. i think mistform is the best of the skills but if i wanna use it i still have 11 other skills which all will cost 3%(?) more and that is not worth for just 1 skill
3% cost is not worth 75% damage reduction and some cc cleanse on demand?
Whatever, I'm still playing vampire because it's worth it with my math.
Just wanted to pop in and give some support to the pro-vampire movement.
I even run vampire on my tank, and I've loved it.
Yes, the 3% increase to skill costs does kinda suck. But it's gotten to a point where I barely notice it.
The health recovery kinda sucks I guess? But I'm a necro, I have high costing ults, and I take the CP passive so I can make up a bit for that.
But the positives I do get? A personal on-demand CC purge that also doubles as a speed boost in situations where I need to navigate the room to properly stack and position the fight.
The same skill also doubles as a nice 75% damage mitigation on my backbar where I may get caught in a heavy attack without my shield.
I get the stage 3 passive that gives me stronger damage mitigation the lower my health drops, meaning when some of the fights get tricky, that little boost can help keep me alive just that little tiny bit longer for a self heal / Crimson proc / rez / etc. and keep the fight going. This passive has really helped me to be a virtually unkillable wall of undeath... unless it's a 1 shot mechanic that I missed or a full on group wipe, I don't die. Period. I could literally unequip my weapons and /laydown and not be able to die because of how much health / healing / mitigation I have with this setup.
While my necro Goliath is the preferred transformation ult in most situations due to the heavy health boost, there are times where the vampire transformation is preferred due to the increase in stamina, allowing me to block more incoming damage. While Perfect Scion is scoffed at, it does give me a nice 20 second window or so where I can really not have to focus on resources while I'm dropping my taunts, debuffs, and CC's, since there is no more cost penalty.
Spammable gives me a nice damage spammable to use while solo'ing or in a PVP environment.
I am very pro-vampire.
I'm not saying it is perfect or can't be improved. I'm just saying that I like it as is and it has some very nice tools.
I hear ya brother! Vampire tanks are awesome, and my dps ice warden vampire stage 4 build is so much fun in PvP and PvE content.
The trick to low health recovery/sustainability is to have reliable one or two solid HoTs activate (such as the Orc racial passive), while stacking damage shields (frost staff heavy, wall of elements, healing ward, light armor shield). As for the cost increase for normal abilities, if you use blood for blood and build a solid amount of max health, you always have an op single target spammable that costs no magicka, thus offsetting the costs. Also, if your magicka related abilities involve ground based damage, throw them down, then switch to your blood for blood spam, it's such a great combo because it forces your opponent to get out of your AoEs and mitigate the damage from them, making it safe for you to spam a health cost ability.
This is also a very effective strategy with templar and necromancer stage 4 vampire, but the ice cc from warden just feels the most complimentary to the playstyle.1 -
Elusiin✭✭✭✭✭Feel like most call vampire terrible even when they've never used it. Most want the negative skill cost removed when that's the only thing preventing vampire from being broken.
I hear you! I was one of those people too, that's why I'm speaking out now! The extra ability cost is a necessary debuff, otherwise the vampire would be God tier in comparison to everything else. I feel it is balanced, and I really enjoy being able to weaving in and out of mist form to mitigate cc and damage. Just feels good.
That said, I do understand a lot of people expected vampires to be ranged damage dealers, and I had that line of thinking as well, but the melee playstyle is still really rewarding and suppressive when you're spamming blood for blood and have all of your buffs up and aoe's down, even without the ult.. But if you happen to take an unlucky gank, or crit, your ultimate literally gives you a full heal and increases all of your max stats, and grants you 15% healing for all damage dealt regardless of morph for 20 seconds.. Even for it's high cost, this ultimate forces your opponent to flee or die (and most players don't respect it).1 -
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✭Feel like most call vampire terrible even when they've never used it. Most want the negative skill cost removed when that's the only thing preventing vampire from being broken.
I hear you! I was one of those people too, that's why I'm speaking out now! The extra ability cost is a necessary debuff, otherwise the vampire would be God tier in comparison to everything else. I feel it is balanced, and I really enjoy being able to weaving in and out of mist form to mitigate cc and damage. Just feels good.
That said, I do understand a lot of people expected vampires to be ranged damage dealers, and I had that line of thinking as well, but the melee playstyle is still really rewarding and suppressive when you're spamming blood for blood and have all of your buffs up and aoe's down, even without the ult.. But if you happen to take an unlucky gank, or crit, your ultimate literally gives you a full heal and increases all of your max stats, and grants you 15% healing for all damage dealt regardless of morph for 20 seconds.. Even for it's high cost, this ultimate forces your opponent to flee or die (and most players don't respect it).
Exactly. All of what you said. You know, I did a brutal dungeon run in vet hm on my werewolf and kept thinking: you know what I could be using there? Mist form to negate that dmg or slows. Or I could've really used that blood scion heal right now. Or that if I had a little more damage reduction like undeath I could've stayed up.
Even though I generally like werewolf slightly more, i just can't use it in 99% of my gameplay. It's too limited and can only stam dps, but no range. Meanwhile my base class can do everything and vampire just supplements it. Just no use for werewolf at all.
Think I'm just going to go vamp again so that I can actually use some of the skills in serious play. Kinda sad, but vampire is truly useful and much more fun. I love both vamps and wolves, but the dogs just have no use atm.Edited by Ryuvain on May 22, 2021 11:41AMThat one khajiit obsessed with werewolf behemoth and vampire lord. Lady Thorn is bae, dont @ me.
Werewolf behemoth=vampire lord>blood scion>werewolf>vampire.1