I just want an entire engine upgrade...

Less leather obsession.

Seriously, we have leather over cloth, leather with plate armor, leather under chainmail, leather over chainmail, leather over leather, leather hanging from leather, etc. I swear ESO’s designers cannot fathom armor that doesn’t involve at least 25% leather.

What about cloth? Would robes and jerkins that are cloth without leather breastplates be too much to ask? What about the variety of historical cloth armors that can be used for inspiration? Cloth is lovely. It can be light. It can be padded together. And, it dyes nicely. More cloth and textiles would be nice. Especially where light armor is concerned.

TLDR: MORE CLOTH, LESS LEATHER

Deffo would like the older styles it gave a crisper look. Not changing them in style just upgrade the look/quality. As op said they do clash with the new styles now.

Enemy-of-Coldharbour wrote: »

Get rid of hip flaps and crotch flaps (or at least provide a toggle to hide them).

Believe it or not, there is already the option to hide tassets and loin cloth. Interestingly enough, if you look in the ESO API, the option is there. The tassets/loin cloth is (hidden) under Settings-> Gameplay in the same spot where you can hide mount appearance features and polymorph helm. The ability to hide other armor pieces like shoulders, etc are in the same spot as the "Hide Helm" option at dye stations but they as well are still hidden/locked out (shoulders, etc). All of these options have been there for years.

Case and point, it's there, it's just not enabled for players. I would have to guess one big reason "why" we don't have these options yet is the endless controversy of hiding armor pieces other than a helmet. Some of the same people that boast "let people enjoy things" are the same ones that double-standard it because of the potential to inconvenience their ideal "standard" since people might just end up running around in their digital underwear. Thing is, people already do this anyway by taking their armor off. Personally, I have a feeling extending more options with character customization design to how anyone personally wants their character to appear would FAR outweigh the latter worries in a positive way and benefit everyone in the longrun.

Tassets/Loin Cloth setting via API TXT Documentation
These variables have been in there way back to at least August 2017 (Horns of the Reach v100020)
Still there, Flames of Ambition v100034
https://esoui.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1345&d=1611861988

h5. HiddenItemValues
* HIDDEN_ITEM_LOIN_CLOTH
* HIDDEN_ITEM_MOUNT_INVENTORY_UPGRADE
* HIDDEN_ITEM_MOUNT_SPEED_UPGRADE
* HIDDEN_ITEM_MOUNT_STAMINA_UPGRADE
* HIDDEN_ITEM_POLYMORPH_HELM
* HIDDEN_ITEM_TASSETS

Hide different armor types (shoulders, etc) from ESO Live in 2018

scorpius2k1 wrote: »

Enemy-of-Coldharbour wrote: »

Get rid of hip flaps and crotch flaps (or at least provide a toggle to hide them).

Believe it or not, there is already the option to hide tassets and loin cloth. Interestingly enough, if you look in the ESO API, the option is there. The tassets/loin cloth is (hidden) under Settings-> Gameplay in the same spot where you can hide mount appearance features and polymorph helm. The ability to hide other armor pieces like shoulders, etc are in the same spot as the "Hide Helm" option at dye stations but they as well are still hidden/locked out (shoulders, etc). All of these options have been there for years.

Case and point, it's there, it's just not enabled for players. I would have to guess one big reason "why" we don't have these options yet is the endless controversy of hiding armor pieces other than a helmet. Some of the same people that boast "let people enjoy things" are the same ones that double-standard it because of the potential to inconvenience their ideal "standard" since people might just end up running around in their digital underwear. Thing is, people already do this anyway by taking their armor off. Personally, I have a feeling extending more options with character customization design to how anyone personally wants their character to appear would FAR outweigh the latter worries in a positive way and benefit everyone in the longrun.

Tassets/Loin Cloth setting via API TXT Documentation
These variables have been in there way back to at least August 2017 (Horns of the Reach v100020)
Still there, Flames of Ambition v100034
https://esoui.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1345&d=1611861988

h5. HiddenItemValues
* HIDDEN_ITEM_LOIN_CLOTH
* HIDDEN_ITEM_MOUNT_INVENTORY_UPGRADE
* HIDDEN_ITEM_MOUNT_SPEED_UPGRADE
* HIDDEN_ITEM_MOUNT_STAMINA_UPGRADE
* HIDDEN_ITEM_POLYMORPH_HELM
* HIDDEN_ITEM_TASSETS

Hide different armor types (shoulders, etc) from ESO Live in 2018

The hide tassets/cloth part is pretty insightful but kinda puzzling as why it isn't enabled yet being so controversial to the community. I personally cringe at every "remove it from the game" post but it gives us a lot of customisation options to fit different tastes without brut forcing anyone on a matter.

I'll never understand what the problem with the flaps is, I think it looks good. Take, for example, the Roman pteryges, metal-studded leather strips that hung from the belt in the crotch region. They also had no real function and were only there mainly for decoration.

Eccentric_Vampire wrote: »

No more undyable bits, please. Some of its okay, especially if it's just smaller parts of the armor but I don't use certain armor types (Jephrine paladin in particular!) because I can't dye them to match the rest of the outfit. I'd also like more dye/colour consistency between different armor pieces. One dye might look a certain way on one piece of armor, then look completely different on another piece. It makes mixing different motifs a pain.

That's probably the only real issue I have apart from actually broken/misaligned stuff. Not sure why it's a problem to give some parts a new dye slot (especially if it uses only 2 of 3) or combine some as they are doing it already in lots of motifs. Those undyeable scarfs/clothing and golden bits and pieces, ugh.

Fix the ones that mutant body. Like slight changes okay but some are just out of this world... like aba watch something.

THE FLAPS NEED TO GO

Butt flaps, crotch flaps, hip flaps, they all need to PERISH.
I love the few armors we have that have like, a mini skirt thingie or even just ends at the waist and nothing weird and floaty about it.

Lugaldu wrote: »

I'll never understand what the problem with the flaps is, I think it looks good. Take, for example, the Roman pteryges, metal-studded leather strips that hung from the belt in the crotch region. They also had no real function and were only there mainly for decoration.

On some armours, they look okay. But there's no reason to have them on the majority of pieces.

And most pteryges are shorter than the long dangly bits that ESO has, they're often not just between the legs but more skirt-like, and they dangle realistically, on account of them being real. I've had several attempts at outfit creation where there were dangly bits that looked okay but flapped around while moving in such a distracting way that I got rid of them.

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@topic: optional or removed dangly bits ("crotch flaps"). Some forms of tassets are okay on heavy armour pieces - but again: ESO has a tendency to go totally overboard with those. (I mean, what the hell were they thinking when designing higher-tier Khajiit robes?!?) So make those optional as well, or delete them from existence.

Give us our boob armor back.
No, I'm not kidding. I'm not a prepubescent male with a pixel fetish.

Extent the "hide helmet" ability to other pieces such as the crotch/butt/hip ***, or give us more visual choices in leg armor.

Make dyed leather look better. Hardly any dies look good on leather.

Fewer un-dyable parts on armor.

Better explanation at the outfit station for how dye channels work. It's possible that I'm crazy or just haven't used the outfit station in a very long time, but I remember inconsistencies in which channel is which. On one piece, the #1 (leftmost) channel is the main or largest part of the armor, but on another piece that same channel is just a detail. Also, some pieces appear to have only two visible channels although you still have three slots to put dye on.

Forgot to mention in my earlier post--shoulder scaling needs to be redone. There's no reason for the same shoulder piece to be huge on a male toon and teensy on a female toon to the point where they look ineffective. A well-muscled woman has shoulders, it's not unfeminine looking. They look silly as they are now, I had to use the motifs with shoulder pieces that look too big on my male toons just to look normally fitted on my female toon.

I'd also like if there wasn't so much empty float space between tassets and hips. If one is wearing tassets to protect their flanks, there's little point to leaving a 3-inch gap that could easily be stabbed through. I know pokethrough is a thing but it doesn't need THAT big a margin.

All I ask for is capes

For me it would be enough if they:

1. Activated the options to hide shoulders, tassets and flaps for player use.
2. Retouched the racial styles and some older styles slightly, so that they would look a little less worn/dirty.

It baffles the mind that they actually do have the hide options coded, but don't allow us to use them. Why on earth?

I've seen suggestions in the forums that without the flaps the characters' crotch/hip area would look wrong for some reason related to character skeletons (or some such) and that without tassets the weapons would float uglily around the hips. Neither of these holds water. There are a few styles that have neither tassets nor flaps, like Sapiarch chests, and the characters wearing them look just fine. Besides, weapons floating a bit above the hip wouldn't look any uglier than them clipping through the tassets, like now. So, it seems just ill-willed not to make those hide options available, even though they exist. I'd want very much to hear ZOS's explanation. It's such a small change that is much wished for, and still they won't give us that. It makes no sense.

Armour flaps, love it.

Capes, hate it.

Outfit styles not corresponding to your actual armour type (Heavy, medium, light), not a fan. Interferes with recognising PvP enemies wearing what armour type.

Other than that, it's aight.