Do you think Trial Monster Sets could be a thing in the future?

MindOfTheSwarm · May 2021

I mean as an alternative to 5 piece sets. For Example:

[Monster Name]

1 piece: Grants Minor Slayer
2 piece: Grants some unique bonus

Fennwitty · May 2021

Could be, but I hope not.

I can't imagine any way that works without power creep. And we already have enough power creep every time there's a new expansion.

Plus a ton of people are scared off of trials to begin with, this would add more of a barrier to them and require all of us to farm even more new sets.

Platanutre · May 2021

This could be interesting, like AS with arena weapons but instead monster sets. The problem like fennwitty said is that it could have terrible powercreep like mythics and cloudrest (only trials where all 4 sets are extremely sought after, and flat out outperforms almost every dps set in the game by a decent margin).

Something like you said 1 pc Minor Slayer, 2pc 50% Major Slayer uptime or something like that so it doesn't replace ROJO?MA/WM but it still have uses for less optimized teams.

vet versions probably should just add a 1pc bonus to the 2 piece so people can stack minor slayer + 657 crit and be able to run stuff like medusa+mothers sorrow and have access to minor slayer and major in dungeons. It's a weird one to balance and considering zos has to develop a ton of stuff it would be difficult to balance out properly sadly.

Skullstachio · May 2021

A better Idea would be to have World Boss Monster Sets. Complete with special interactions that allow players to fight more powerful versions of world bosses equating to a Normal Trial Boss which drop perfected variations of World boss monster armor.

Example:
Scrags Perfect Cousin(dropped from cousin scrag in Waist and/or Legs.)

1: Adds 129 Weapon Damage and 1096 Max Stamina.
2: (perfected): adds minor slayer at all times, increasing your damage done to non-player enemies by 5%.
2: Summons a Bear Companion to Fight by your side, the bear deals [x] physical damage scaling to the highest of your weapon or spell damage, the bear can sometimes do a powerful slam that deals massive [x] physical damage and stun affected enemies for 2.5 seconds. Respawns after 20 seconds of being killed.

Elendir2am · May 2021

Veteran trials already contain perfect version of set.
Trial monster set would be superfluous.

MindOfTheSwarm · May 2021

Elendir2am wrote: »

Veteran trials already contain perfect version of set.
Trial monster set would be superfluous.

Why superfluous? You could then run a monster set and run standard 5 piece sets.

Oreyn_Bearclaw · May 2021

Monster sets seem made specifically for the vet dungeon and daily pledge setup. Helms from bosses, shoulders from keys (reward for pledges). Not saying you couldnt work them into trials, but it seems counter intuitive.

I would rather they expand on things like arena weapons or perhaps cool 1 piece items on par with Mythics. Also, there are so many monster sets at this point. It's hard for me to take the position that we need more than the half a dozen or so we will get this year either way as new dungeons are released.

We have 5 piece sets (most gear), 1 piece sets (mythics), 1-2 piece sets (arena weapons), 2 piece monster sets, and a host of 3 piece sets. I think the next thing we actually need are some unique 4 piece sets for more build diversity. I would allow for say a 5,4,2,1 setup (traditional 5 piece, unique 4 piece, Monster, Mythic).

Elendir2am · May 2021

MindOfTheSwarm wrote: »

Elendir2am wrote: »

Veteran trials already contain perfect version of set.
Trial monster set would be superfluous.

Why superfluous? You could then run a monster set and run standard 5 piece sets.

I see Monster sets as reason to start doing veteran dungeons and perfect sets as reason to do veteran trials.

You need some reason to poke players next to their curiosity. I speak about players, who climb steps, not players who already do all content.

When you have perfect sets, you don’t need monster sets for this purpose. You can have both, but it has another problem. ZOS don’t want make difference between end game players gears and gears of players one step below, too big.

MindOfTheSwarm · May 2021

Elendir2am wrote: »

MindOfTheSwarm wrote: »

Elendir2am wrote: »

Veteran trials already contain perfect version of set.
Trial monster set would be superfluous.

Why superfluous? You could then run a monster set and run standard 5 piece sets.

I see Monster sets as reason to start doing veteran dungeons and perfect sets as reason to do veteran trials.

You need some reason to poke players next to their curiosity. I speak about players, who climb steps, not players who already do all content.

When you have perfect sets, you don’t need monster sets for this purpose. You can have both, but it has another problem. ZOS don’t want make difference between end game players gears and gears of players one step below, too big.

If these monster sets dropped from trials then what is the difference? I’m not suggesting they replace current sets. For instance having Minor Slayer on a theoretical monster set would essentially make it rather redundant to run a standard trial set. Unless of course buffs such as Major Slayer were a concern but these tend to be group buffs anyway requiring only 1 player run it. No denying Minor Slayer is strong and obviously the 2 set bonus would have to be limited to balance it out.

MindOfTheSwarm · May 2021

For example let’s take an already existing set.
Selene:
(1 item) Adds 1096 Maximum Stamina
(2 items) When you deal melee damage, you call upon a primal spirit that mauls the closest enemy in front of you after 1.3 seconds for 11754 Physical Damage. This effect can occur once every 6 seconds.

Now let’s just for arguments sake say it got changed to this:

(2 items) When you deal melee damage, you call upon a primal spirit that mauls the closest enemy in front of you after 1.3 seconds for 11754 Physical Damage. This effect can occur once every 6 seconds. Also grants Minor Slayer.

To people running trial sets already the above change would be a nerf whereas for players not running trial sets it would be a buff.

Oreyn_Bearclaw · May 2021

MindOfTheSwarm wrote: »

For example let’s take an already existing set.
Selene:
(1 item) Adds 1096 Maximum Stamina
(2 items) When you deal melee damage, you call upon a primal spirit that mauls the closest enemy in front of you after 1.3 seconds for 11754 Physical Damage. This effect can occur once every 6 seconds.

Now let’s just for arguments sake say it got changed to this:

(2 items) When you deal melee damage, you call upon a primal spirit that mauls the closest enemy in front of you after 1.3 seconds for 11754 Physical Damage. This effect can occur once every 6 seconds. Also grants Minor Slayer.

To people running trial sets already the above change would be a nerf whereas for players not running trial sets it would be a buff.

Not to nitpick, but how is that a nerf if the damage is the same. It would be redundant if already wearing a trial set, but not sure its a nerf to the monster set. If anything, its an indirect nerf to trial sets themselves because they would be less relevant if you had another source of minor slayer. If both are coming from trials, I fail to see the point.

YandereGirlfriend · May 2021

I just want to see a monster helm that provides Minor Slayer as its one-piece bonus.

That would open up a bunch of doors in terms of build diversity.

Froil · May 2021

I already thought of this some time ago and even posted the idea/effects on some other thread somewhere. Every time a new trial and arena are released, I go and make an update to my personal document with what the effects and stats could be.

WrathOfInnos · May 2021

It could happen. We’re getting 3 new PVP monster sets, so the pattern of them dropping only in dungeons is already broken.

I’m not sure I like the idea of a 1pc Minor Slayer on these hypothetical trial monster sets though. One or two like that could open some interesting options, but if every one had this that would just mean none could be used in combination with trial 5pc sets, or you would be wasting a set bonus to redundant minor buffs.

Another option would be to make another set like Slimecraw, with 1pc crit and 2pc Minor Slayer instead of Minor Berserk. That would open the door to running 2 non-trial 5pc sets. I’m not sure if this would actually be a strong enough set though, it might need an additional bonus on the 2pc to make it a desirable option (similar to Chudan’s 2pc, but maybe mag/stam or weapon/spell damage).

YandereGirlfriend · May 2021

WrathOfInnos wrote: »

It could happen. We’re getting 3 new PVP monster sets, so the pattern of them dropping only in dungeons is already broken.

I’m not sure I like the idea of a 1pc Minor Slayer on these hypothetical trial monster sets though. One or two like that could open some interesting options, but if every one had this that would just mean none could be used in combination with trial 5pc sets, or you would be wasting a set bonus to redundant minor buffs.

Another option would be to make another set like Slimecraw, with 1pc crit and 2pc Minor Slayer instead of Minor Berserk. That would open the door to running 2 non-trial 5pc sets. I’m not sure if this would actually be a strong enough set though, it might need an additional bonus on the 2pc to make it a desirable option (similar to Chudan’s 2pc, but maybe mag/stam or weapon/spell damage).

While I agree that you don't want it to become a common set bonus, I do think it's important to have it on the one-piece effect for the sake of build diversity and Mythic item compatibility.

WrathOfInnos · May 2021

Oh, you’re saying it needs to be a 1pc Minor Slayer so it could be used along with a mythic item and two 5pc non-trial sets? That would be a nice option, no argument here.

I guess it doesn’t even matter what the 2pc bonus is then, very few people would wear both. Maybe it doesn’t even need to be a monster set at that point, just a unique 1pc that gives Minor Slayer (not a mythic though). If it was not a helmet or shoulder piece it would also allow 5-3-2-1-1 builds, so possibly a 1pc necklace or ring would be a better option.