As a pure PvP Player, why should i buy Blackwood?

Artorias24 · April 2021

There is no PvP content in this chapter. Last time we at least got a new siege weapon. What we got now besides some new sets and mythics?

You cant call that PvP content. You promised once that every chapter will provide content for every part of the game. No new mechanic, no new class, no new skill line. Just a few new sets. Thats it. Thats not worth buying for someone who only takes part in pvp activities.

Even the new companion system is more aimed at casuals and roleplayers cause companions cant do a vet dungeon. Dont get me even started on vet trials.

Really disappointing.

AyaDark · April 2021

PVP is dead with all 2 years changes, not working sets and skills that do not press.

So to make good PVP now we need not peogramers, but necromancy i think ... .

Roztlin45 · April 2021

I bought it to support the game. Without some monetize purchases through eso plus or expansions the game would not be in business long. I only support one game at a time so when eso brings me to the point I can no longer buy into what they are doing it is time to leave.
Remember that we are the customer. Lack of trinkets and other features don't bother me as much as customer indifference and wishy washy business changes. Change is good most times but too much too often means a company has no clear direction and no idea what they are doing. Red flag.
PVP is neglected for the most part because the money is in the new player. After the sale eso needs to show a good return. So all efforts will be focused on short term gains.
Hopefully pvp will receive some added value as time goes on.

Beardimus · April 2021

Artorias24 wrote: »

There is no PvP content in this chapter. Last time we at least got a new siege weapon. What we got now besides some new sets and mythics?

You cant call that PvP content. You promised once that every chapter will provide content for every part of the game. No new mechanic, no new class, no new skill line. Just a few new sets. Thats it. Thats not worth buying for someone who only takes part in pvp activities.

Even the new companion system is more aimed at casuals and roleplayers cause companions cant do a vet dungeon. Dont get me even started on vet trials.

Really disappointing.

I agree. But it's gotten worse with time less and less each chapter..
MW - BG huge
SS - JC, not pure PvP but OK
Psjics / Scrying / Mythics
Then we really scraping the battle with siege weopons

I bought the first two to support ZOS etc but lost interest with really no justification for PvP..and trapping an OP set behind a paywall doesnt count as Content.

I'm still happy on PvP land, Cyrodiil has had the town's, the outposts, IC seperation and I'm loving no Procs so whoever says PvP is dead hasn't PvPed recently.. but agree no real pull to buy the chapter at all

Seraphayel · April 2021

Gaze of Sithis, if you need Blackwood to acquire that Mythic item. If not, there are zero reasons for you to buy Blackwood. I’ll wait until Fall where it will just cost $10-15, because it simply isn’t worth more anyway.

geonsocal · April 2021

Beardimus wrote: »

Artorias24 wrote: »

There is no PvP content in this chapter. Last time we at least got a new siege weapon. What we got now besides some new sets and mythics?

You cant call that PvP content. You promised once that every chapter will provide content for every part of the game. No new mechanic, no new class, no new skill line. Just a few new sets. Thats it. Thats not worth buying for someone who only takes part in pvp activities.

Even the new companion system is more aimed at casuals and roleplayers cause companions cant do a vet dungeon. Dont get me even started on vet trials.

Really disappointing.

trapping an OP set behind a paywall doesnt count as Content.

plus one million...

ZaroktheImmortal · April 2021

To be fair expansions and new dlc are pretty much all aimed at PVE only sort of pvp one that was a pve-pvp mix was Imperial City and that ended up becoming free. The only thing they offer new for pvpers is new gear usually.

DinoZavr · April 2021

it depends on if you have access to Greymoor Chapter for antiquties.

New Chapter offers new mythics (and the head piece provides quite insane Health, health recovery and armor, so, i guess, it will be nerfed eventually).
Of course, that is up to you to decide. Other than that new mythics nothing much relevant for PVP as 4 new bound trial sets are mostly PVE-oriented.

OlumoGarbag · April 2021

DinoZavr wrote: »

it depends on if you have access to Greymoor Chapter for antiquties.

New Chapter offers new mythics (and the head piece provides quite insane Health, health recovery and armor, so, i guess, it will be nerfed eventually).
Of course, that is up to you to decide. Other than that new mythics nothing much relevant for PVP as 4 new bound trial sets are mostly PVE-oriented.

Gaze of sithis won't be nerfed it's the new malacath. If you want to be better then the other PvP players you need the new mythic. If you want the new mythic, you have to buy the chapter$$$

It's the laziest form of binding a shrinking playerbase to your game. Even if you get the OP new mythic PvP won't be enjoyable since all others will have it as well and performance will be poor in cyrodiil.

hakan · April 2021

There are only so much new players you can get. At some point you need to cater to other players as well.

Artorias24 · April 2021

OlumoGarbag wrote: »

DinoZavr wrote: »

it depends on if you have access to Greymoor Chapter for antiquties.

New Chapter offers new mythics (and the head piece provides quite insane Health, health recovery and armor, so, i guess, it will be nerfed eventually).
Of course, that is up to you to decide. Other than that new mythics nothing much relevant for PVP as 4 new bound trial sets are mostly PVE-oriented.

Gaze of sithis won't be nerfed it's the new malacath. If you want to be better then the other PvP players you need the new mythic. If you want the new mythic, you have to buy the chapter$$$

It's the laziest form of binding a shrinking playerbase to your game. Even if you get the OP new mythic PvP won't be enjoyable since all others will have it as well and performance will be poor in cyrodiil.

I actually dont think it will be so much powerfull. On Nightblade and magicka sorc yes. But dks, necros and warden rely heavily on blocking and wont benefit from it a lot. Get a warden in execute range, If He doesnt block and spam artic He is dead. And with artic nerf it will be even more important to block.

Bashev · April 2021

As the other already said: Gaze of sithis. ZoS thinks for us (PvPers) too.

LanteanPegasus · April 2021

As for your question - if there is nothing in the new chapter that you have use for, just don't buy it.

You don't have to buy it to keep playing PvP (because there won't be anything different for all the other PvPs as well), and if you enjoy doing that you can keep having the fun you have - and save money along the way.
You also don't have to be worried about ZOS loosing the money, because ZOS probably makes most of their money from no-pure-PvPs anyway, so they won't be hit so hard that it impacts the game being still there to play. (If all pure-PvPs decided not to buy, I mean.)

If that question isn't meant literally, and is a way to complain about the lack of new PvP content...
I'm afraid PvP-only isn't the/a target audience for ESO. PvP-only can exist in ESO (well, in theory, lots of forum threads tend to claim it can't due to PvP being unplayable, but I take that as exaggeration), because the zones etc. are kept up, and new content isn't designed to exclude it - but it isn't like other aspects that are considered a must have for every new release cycle (story content, housing, group PvE, cosmetics).
Probably because a game like ESO doesn't attract as many PvP-only people from the get go. You have to play quite a bit PvE to even have a character you can (reasonably) enter PvP with, so the developers probably don't expect (many) people in here who don't want to do anything but PvP. And for those who do PvP as part of the mix I guess the variety is supposed to be in facing other players instead of the game itself, not from steadily new content/mechanics.
That's just guesswork on my part, of course, because I'm no PvP player myself, but it's the reason I'd see why there isn't more PvP content released.

Edit: About catering to new players only. That might be a thing, too, but ESO is by nature a game that has quite a few long term players who don't do any PvP to speak of. People like me, who are happy to do all the stuff but PvP, trials and vet dungeons. Other long term players are busy with end game PvE (trials, vet DLC dungeons, arenas). Those probably do PvP, too, but they are at least partially catered to as long as there is new end game PvE stuff regularly.
So while I'm sure it is much about hooking new players that doesn't completely exclude giving something to older players as well.

Artorias24 · April 2021

LanteanPegasus wrote: »

As for your question - if there is nothing in the new chapter that you have use for, just don't buy it.

You don't have to buy it to keep playing PvP (because there won't be anything different for all the other PvPs as well), and if you enjoy doing that you can keep having the fun you have - and save money along the way.
You also don't have to be worried about ZOS loosing the money, because ZOS probably makes most of their money from no-pure-PvPs anyway, so they won't be hit so hard that it impacts the game being still there to play. (If all pure-PvPs decided not to buy, I mean.)

If that question isn't meant literally, and is a way to complain about the lack of new PvP content...
I'm afraid PvP-only isn't the/a target audience for ESO. PvP-only can exist in ESO (well, in theory, lots of forum threads tend to claim it can't due to PvP being unplayable, but I take that as exaggeration), because the zones etc. are kept up, and new content isn't designed to exclude it - but it isn't like other aspects that are considered a must have for every new release cycle (story content, housing, group PvE, cosmetics).
Probably because a game like ESO doesn't attract as many PvP-only people from the get go. You have to play quite a bit PvE to even have a character you can (reasonably) enter PvP with, so the developers probably don't expect (many) people in here who don't want to do anything but PvP. And for those who do PvP as part of the mix I guess the variety is supposed to be in facing other players instead of the game itself, not from steadily new content/mechanics.
That's just guesswork on my part, of course, because I'm no PvP player myself, but it's the reason I'd see why there isn't more PvP content released.

Edit: About catering to new players only. That might be a thing, too, but ESO is by nature a game that has quite a few long term players who don't do any PvP to speak of. People like me, who are happy to do all the stuff but PvP, trials and vet dungeons. Other long term players are busy with end game PvE (trials, vet DLC dungeons, arenas). Those probably do PvP, too, but they are at least partially catered to as long as there is new end game PvE stuff regularly.
So while I'm sure it is much about hooking new players that doesn't completely exclude giving something to older players as well.

I am not asking for an PvP only chapter. But ZOS should give love/content to every player type No? Also their sales would increase If they release a chapter that offers content for a bigger playerbase.

ZOS once said every chapter will also bring pvp content. This chaptet doesnt. (I dont consider mythics and sets as PvP content)

ResidentContrarian · April 2021

There is zero reason to in my opinion.

Also, PvP is already dead and will be "deader" next patch once they push the changes on PTS to live as it stands. Not to mention if they actually choose to listen to some of the wild and silly ideas I have seen on this forum, like making Warden pets all do frost damage because a set they introduced isn't good enough (and overbuffing Warden when not wearing the set, absolutely zero logic and rationale behind that), some guys that think medium should gain penetration because they use a meta setup that isn't actually the best in the game and play the meta instead of making it, mythics gaining more power vs. all other sets in the game, etc.

PvP is over next patch.

I thought that ZOS could not take a worse approach than the Greymoor Era, and before Greymoor, the Elsweyr Era, but it seems they have proved me wrong consistently with their inconsistent approach to balance and mechanics.

Very disappointing indeed.

Thoragaal · April 2021

Artorias24 wrote: »

There is no PvP content in this chapter. Last time we at least got a new siege weapon. What we got now besides some new sets and mythics?

You cant call that PvP content. You promised once that every chapter will provide content for every part of the game. No new mechanic, no new class, no new skill line. Just a few new sets. Thats it. Thats not worth buying for someone who only takes part in pvp activities.

Even the new companion system is more aimed at casuals and roleplayers cause companions cant do a vet dungeon. Dont get me even started on vet trials.

Really disappointing.

It hasn't had proper end game functionality since the launch of the game (in actuality it's never had it). Cyrodiil was created as a treadmill to keep players occupied (BG's came much later). Trials and HM's were a complete after thought with no real good incentive for the "average MMO player" (the one that's been playing online since early/before 2000s). There's one trial per year, a BG map per year (if we're lucky) and the large scale combat don't see much happening at all (except universal changes).
The game has been shifting from "traditional MMO" to ZOS pointing out that there's a big difference between ESO and other MMOs (I think they now call it "A different type of MMO").
Remember, before the CP change, the average player was at 410 CP, that's only a few months (if even that) of gameplay for the average MMO type of player; the game takes it's focus on those players around CP 410 / only a few months old.

It's been a shift in direction and it's becoming more and more evident with every patch, DLC and chapter; it's moving more and more away from what an MMO is about and what made those types of games so successful to begin with, in order to satisfy a niche audiance (where many has never played an MMO before and thus have no other expectations / standards than what's being shown in ESO).

ThePedge · April 2021

Gaze of Sithis
Maybe Heartland Conquerer if it gets fixed, I believe it's not working correctly with certain traits.

WoppaBoem · April 2021

Gaze of Sithis

We went from jewerly crafting, to new skill line, to new class to mytics all relevant. We now get 1 shiny object and they made it so OP it 100% pay to win. To be on par on high level PvP this 1 item is going to make people so tanky it aint funny.

Its a real low point for me and the developers of this game

WoppaBoem · April 2021

ThePedge wrote: »

Gaze of Sithis
Maybe Heartland Conquerer if it gets fixed, I believe it's not working correctly with certain traits.

Heartland is crafteble, if you have access to someone with the tables its free no need of the expansion.

dinokstrunz · April 2021

I dunno just pray that ZoS makes another mess with the launch and gives people Blackwood for free? But for real, even if you don't enjoy PvP there's not much going for you either. The same old same old formula that ZoS uses to release new update has become incredibly stale and predictable now. Trial with 3 bosses all with Hard modes *check*, 30 daily repeatable with a small chance to drop some unimportant ugly motif style *check*, presumably a boring main story quest that will be over after a couple of hours *check*. Your new PvP content is inserting new items into older DLCs nowadays so you don't need to buy Blackwood.

This chapter is really just a whole lot of nothing, whenever to speak to people about companions I always get the same response, "I don't care or intend to use that" etc etc. Like who is this content for? Because it seems that not even casual players seem to actually care anymore. The fact is chapter are becoming smaller and smaller and is providing almost zero selling points.

Artorias24 · April 2021

ResidentContrarian wrote: »

There is zero reason to in my opinion.

Also, PvP is already dead and will be "deader" next patch once they push the changes on PTS to live as it stands. Not to mention if they actually choose to listen to some of the wild and silly ideas I have seen on this forum, like making Warden pets all do frost damage because a set they introduced isn't good enough (and overbuffing Warden when not wearing the set, absolutely zero logic and rationale behind that), some guys that think medium should gain penetration because they use a meta setup that isn't actually the best in the game and play the meta instead of making it, mythics gaining more power vs. all other sets in the game, etc.

PvP is over next patch.

I thought that ZOS could not take a worse approach than the Greymoor Era, and before Greymoor, the Elsweyr Era, but it seems they have proved me wrong consistently with their inconsistent approach to balance and mechanics.

Very disappointing indeed.

I dont think pvp is dead. The pvp Community is still big and a lot of Big content creators focus on PvP. Campaigns are still mostly locked in the evening so there is definetly ppl playing and willing to buy stuff that enhances their game experience.

Also not many player consider Gaze of sithis the next OP mythic that you have to use. That mythic comes with many trade offs and if so only works for certain builds.

Wolfpaw · April 2021

I wouldn't have any big expectations on ESO PvP anymore, it is what it is.

Buying xpacs/dlc's over a few soon-to-be nerfed bis sets is no longer a selling point to me.

Goregrinder · April 2021

Gaze of Sithis, Crimson Twilight 2.0.

Greasytengu · April 2021

I think the last new BG map was released with Wrathstone. The last major addition to Cyrodiil was the introduction of Volendrung which released with Elsweyr.

We are not asking for much. Maybe a new battleground map, maybe a new type of gamemode (like 2 team battlegrounds or free for all), maybe group dueling. Even quality of life changes would make our day like letting people queue for specific game modes, or letting siege stack in our inventory.

Kiralyn2000 · April 2021

For a "pure PvP player", I'd advise finding a real PvP game.

Wolfpaw · April 2021

Kiralyn2000 wrote: »

For a "pure PvP player", I'd advise finding a real PvP game.

No, mmopvp is very much a thing.

Sure other mmo's have had their ups & downs, but nothing this bad patch after patch...for years.

Bashev · April 2021

Kiralyn2000 wrote: »

For a "pure PvP player", I'd advise finding a real PvP game.

This was a PvP game, sadly ZoS understood that they will earn 100 times more if their main target is casual PvE players. We had a great PvP combat which was turned into boring PvE combat.

Goregrinder · April 2021

Bashev wrote: »

Kiralyn2000 wrote: »

For a "pure PvP player", I'd advise finding a real PvP game.

This was a PvP game, sadly ZoS understood that they will earn 100 times more if their main target is casual PvE players. We had a great PvP combat which was turned into boring PvE combat.

Yep, many new ESO players don't know that RvRvR was the main attraction when ESO first launched back in April 2014. That was why a lot of us joined ESO, we came from SWG, DAoC, WoW, WAR, etc...all of these PVP MMORPGs. After a year or so, ZOS did almost a full 180, and the ESO we have now is not what it originally was. Only us Vets really remember, the new young blood joining have no idea what the golden age of ESO looked like.

ClawOfTheTwoMoons · April 2021

geonsocal wrote: »

Beardimus wrote: »

Artorias24 wrote: »

There is no PvP content in this chapter. Last time we at least got a new siege weapon. What we got now besides some new sets and mythics?

You cant call that PvP content. You promised once that every chapter will provide content for every part of the game. No new mechanic, no new class, no new skill line. Just a few new sets. Thats it. Thats not worth buying for someone who only takes part in pvp activities.

Even the new companion system is more aimed at casuals and roleplayers cause companions cant do a vet dungeon. Dont get me even started on vet trials.

Really disappointing.

trapping an OP set behind a paywall doesnt count as Content.

plus one million...

^

Mahabahabtha · April 2021

You pay 40 bucks into something that gives you an advantage, but wich will heavily nerfed after release..

PizzaCat82 · April 2021

The only reason:

If you haven't quit by now, not getting any new content for a year is certainly not going to be that bad.