100% agree.

I have run Vet Vateshram that many times now I have collected all the armor sets and have countless amounts of perfected staffs, 2h'ers, duel wield and bows but yet to get a single drop of the S+B.

If the weekly alternated 50/50 with VMA I probably wouldn't care as much but its just sooo boring now having run it so many times......

Reply to another thread, my bad.

No thanks.

I propose, if the choosing own reward don't work, that the % drop rate for any item not in collection be increased by 1% for every item in collection for that arena/dungeon/trial/zone. So if you get that horrible vate shield drop rate ( i hear its 2% ) and clear everything else out, it should be up 12% for normal. so that would be 14% chance, that's allot better than 2% and not a game breaker.

Farming is a key aspect of the longevity of a MMO. That’s why dailys exist which give you the chance of a stylepage. By your argumentation the dailys should give you the whole stylebook at first completion, because apparently, they are only fun the first time around. This would render the daily quest normal one-time quests.

You see where im going with my argumentation: it would lead to player saying they have nothing to do, nothing to aim for after a very short time. The grinding-aspect of any game is a tricky thing to balance and could lead to the demise of a game if you tip the scale in any of the two directions too hard.
Too much grind: players feeling they can never get what they want and quit out of despair.
not enough grind: players start feeling bored, because they get all the new weapons after 12 runs.

If you would have made the argument that we need a token system, that’s what I could stand behind. Because it acts as a failsafe for bad RNG. If every 10th run would grant you enough tokens to get one specific weapon, that would increase the longevity compared to your proposal tenfold, while countering the bad feeling of having to battle against RNG.

After 20 VVH runs and no inferno staff, the desire for a token system grows stronger by the run.

I get that grinding for gear is part of an MMO, but you are especially gimped in solo arenas due to there only being a single drop, as opposed to the 4 in Dragonstar and Blackrose.

A token system would not have to fully eliminate the grind. It could simply work so that you earn a token after a certain number of completions, after meeting certain conditions, or whatever. Eliminating part of the grind isn't necessarily a bad thing, as at this point I'm not playing the game more; I'm just playing VVH instead of doing other things in the game.

Even if I got a token after 30 runs, it would make me happy, as at least it'd grant me some certainty that I'll get what I need eventually. As it stands now, I could theoretically do 100 more back-to-back Spirit Slayer runs and still get nothing useful.

Xuhora wrote: »

Farming is a key aspect of the longevity of a MMO. That’s why dailys exist which give you the chance of a stylepage. By your argumentation the dailys should give you the whole stylebook at first completion, because apparently, they are only fun the first time around. This would render the daily quest normal one-time quests.

You see where im going with my argumentation: it would lead to player saying they have nothing to do, nothing to aim for after a very short time. The grinding-aspect of any game is a tricky thing to balance and could lead to the demise of a game if you tip the scale in any of the two directions too hard.
Too much grind: players feeling they can never get what they want and quit out of despair.
not enough grind: players start feeling bored, because they get all the new weapons after 12 runs.

If you would have made the argument that we need a token system, that’s what I could stand behind. Because it acts as a failsafe for bad RNG. If every 10th run would grant you enough tokens to get one specific weapon, that would increase the longevity compared to your proposal tenfold, while countering the bad feeling of having to battle against RNG.

100% agree
As has been mentioned in similar threads, when maelstrom was introduced it was much harder, there was no imperfect versions from normal, vet didn't even guarantee a drop, and there wasnt the transmute system.
Now most can agree that's VERY grindy and since then there's been a lot of positive changes to reduce the grind. The grind is a big part of every MMO especially ESO which utilises a horizontal progression model, rather than vertical progression.
At best, I could agree to a system similar to how welkynar motifs are aquired, completes give fragments, once a week you can get a binding to join 'x' amount of fragments together to make a weapon of your choice but without the choice of trait or something along those lines.
I agree its grindy, took over 100 runs to get my first bow in vma, but its made me a better player and made me appreciate the arena and the game more.

Tberg725 wrote: »

Lots of new players don’t even know how good they have it TBH when monster sets came out there was no such thing as transmute crystals and at the end of the dungeon you were running there was no guarantee of a monster helm drop one of my friends tried for the engine guardian helm for almost a year before getting it in the right trait and heavy so they really have cut the grind by ALOT so the arenas not so bad to deal with especially with transmutes just gotta get the wep to drop once and you can put what ever trait you want

Don't forget that sets obtained from instances also weren't tradable. And I don't even want to start speaking about the undaunted chests that you used your keys to get shoulder pieces of monster sets.

That being said, and the fact that I've played few other, more grindy games, I don't think ESO is bad in that sense. But I understand why players want to have the certainty to get what you're looking for after a fixed amount of runs.

Brrrofski wrote: »

120+ runs in vma and no bow.

Did about 30 on normal when that changed and no bow.

Gave up

How is this an ok system? Why am I running content that I can do on my sleep and still not getting what I need.

I know there should be some grind involved, but that's pretty ridiculous.

Thats crazy if you think about the fact that you have a 1/6 chance to get a bow which makes it one of the easiest weapon to get. For element or type specific weapons I understand why it takes longer because you have 1/6 x 1/3 = 1/18 chance to get a fire staff for example.

Back in the day I leveled a stam DD because I ran vMA so often without getting a fire staff that I gave up, when the perfected weapons got added I got fire staff on my first normal run..