Thank you very much for your reply. Understanding all the changes has been a challenge.

I'm sure one of the things they're working on is getting these pseudo-proc sets like TBS, NMA, and Seducer to be reprogrammed as 'non-proc sets,' especially if they're considering moving to a no-proc campaign.

Yeah I HATE THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Visit Cyrodiil....have to go back and re-Mundi yourself.

Fine, don't proc in Cyrodill, but set it back, please!!!!!

Zama666 wrote: »

Yeah I HATE THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Visit Cyrodiil....have to go back and re-Mundi yourself.

Fine, don't proc in Cyrodill, but set it back, please!!!!!

This is not possible from a programming perspective, per the devs. If they could program it to keep the second mundus but not function, then they could tweak individual "proc" sets to their liking. They can't, hence the months-long break from procs in Cyro while they recode.

Zama666 wrote: »

shadyjane62 wrote: »

When I enter pvp in Cyrodiil I lose the benefit of second mundus stone. I put in ticket but have not heard back. Is this a feature or a bug?

what about now, ever hear back?

try the 5 set armor of 'harass the crap out of them'...so annoyed I have to reset it every time!

It's not a bug. Procs (defined widely as any set bonus that is not "adds X number to a stat") are disabled in Cyrodiil currently. I'm not sure Support would actually know that, but harassing them is not going to change anything.

Finedaible wrote: »

PROC = Programmed RANDOM Occurence....

Nothing in this set (and many more) concern random % chance yet somehow they are coded as such? None of it makes sense. How is reduced or increased ability cost efficiency supposed to be affected by such rules for that matter?

Spaghetti.

The devs have said they are all coded as checks:

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/561180/feb-15-cyrodiil-test-details

"On February 15th, we will be disabling Item Set bonuses outside of pure stat gains. This means any item set which has a proc, or condition which is driven by an ability, will have that ability disabled. This includes Item Sets like Seducer, as that set reduces Magicka cost abilities by 10%. That reduction of cost is done via an ability, which has to check anytime you cast an ability if it’s [sic] cost should be reduced. Other sets, such as Hunding’s Rage, is [sic] completely unaffected by this change as it simply grants stats without requirements."

It may not make sense to use the term "proc" to describe that, but that's the way they're using it. They are in the middle of recoding "proc" sets so they have more flexibility in terms of tweaking them and so that they can offer proc and no-proc campaigns in Cyro, IC, and BGs:

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/7153201/#Comment_7153201

Yeah it's crazy how they assume everyone is on the forums reading about changes. There should be an in-game list. Any feature of a game that requires you to use external sources to understand the game is a sign of bad game design.

Back on topic, TBS is my main set but its design is very poor. If you accidentally unequip the 5th piece and put it back on, the game doesn't remember what the second mundus was so you have to run around finding it again.

Also it's very complicated to change one of the boons, you need to basically unequip the set to fully reset it, otherwise it isn't clear which boon is your main and which is secondary.

It's just a mess, and also useless, since both the set and mundus boons have been nerfed to oblivion.

Girl_Number8 wrote: »

you can still use it in BGs and IC if you wished

How about a single Mundi stone with twice the bonus?

or a coupon for a free Sweet Roll every time you leave Cyrodiil wearing TBS?

I've seen multiple subjets like this since the 'no proc meta'....I mean save the people some time and put a pop up in game when queuing for Cyrodill PVP (No proc sets until 'date')...Please do this in future, stop leaving people out of the loop.

Scallan wrote: »

Things like this is why the non-proc campaigns (when they are re-introuduced) will be seen as a joke. I mean the current non-proc campaign is already a joke with no build diversity and the same performance issues, but it's wild to me how they've categorized what sets are allowed and aren't. Only the purest form of stat increasing sets are allowed in and that basically killed the games vibrant theorycrafting PVP scene for an entire patch.

I honestly don't see a viable population sprouting up around non-proc campaigns because of how silly their limitations are. Anyone who is actually serious about PVP (and wants to be taken seriously) is going to be playing in the standard alliance locked campaign.

They explained that they are working to enable or disable “proc” sets on a more refined basis than all-or-nothing, which is their current situation. However they were coded, ZOS says they were unable to enable only certain “proc” sets and are recoding to give themselves greater flexibility here. I wouldn’t assume the no-proc campaigns will have the same restrictions once they finish.

lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »

It's a feature :'(
Twice Born Star counts as a proc set and as such doesn't work in Cyrodiil.

Why is it a proc set? thought that bonus was 'on' all the time?

Or am I misunderstanding what a proc is?