I don't see any way to completely fix these kinds of things from happening.

The tool also atm allows duo groups to hijack the group since the two who are together can just protect eachother.

Detection would be the biggest issue probably:

AFK - Pretty 'easy' to check for player activity

Rude/abusive in chat - Not so much



The only real remedy for the specific scenario mentioned is reporting the high level players for griefing and hope ZOS has some sort of permanent record it goes on :shrug:

Sevalaricgirl wrote: »

You're 75, bravo. It is good that us oldies are still around, 59 here (don't feel a day over 40 though lol). And I agree but unfortunately ZOS doesn't think about the consequences of the things they implement unless it has to do with PvP. The only thing you can do is block the people who did the kicking and move on.

They definitely don't care about pvp lol. They introduced malacath and snowtreaders into the game and instead of trying to fix lag by testing something else like no groups in cyrodiil they extended the no proc crap by 3 months because "some people like it" (not even the majority of people).

I initiate a vote to kick fake tanks in vet dungeons at the final boss.

I heal with my characters, and feel awful for the two genuine DPS who have waited patiently for their role, putting up with the third DPS who thought he was important enough to jump the queue. I deliberately wait until we're near the end of the dungeon to waste as much of their time as possible, since they've shown they're fine wasting our time (vet dungeons without taunts and pulls are not faster). Doesn't always get approved by the group, but I love karma kicking them in the nuts when it does.

Vote Kick has been misused, in every game it exists, from the day it was introduced. Because some % of people are jerks. And online/anonymous makes them feel more empowered to act on it.

I generally post in party chat, "Sorry not going to kick [name] just because they are low level/CP." That way the other player knows they were on the block (and for no good reason). This seems to avoid the counter-kick. The vote-initiator often leaves, but most dungeons can be finished by fewer than four players.

secondrowforward wrote: »

Yesterday I was using the 'Looking for Dungeon' tool with my DPS character to get my daily 10 crystals. I landed in Fungal Grotto 1, which, as most of you know is not a hard dungeon and can be done solo with little problem. I am over CP 1200, there were two players mid level and one level 19. Within 30 seconds there was a notification to kick the level 19 player. I am inclined not to kick players without a very valid reason, so I answered no. Within a couple of minutes I found myself being kicked from the game. No doubt this was in revenge for me not kicking the first player, who no doubt didn't know he/she was the first target. I feel this so called kicking tool is over used by players who, in my opinion, have an overinflated opinion of themselves. In my opinion it should be adjusted to prevent this kind of misuse. I only kick people who are afk or abusive in chat, otherwise I will leave the game if the dungeon can't be completed with that team. No doubt I will get a lot of flak for this post. But at 75 years old and 20 years in the military this will be water off a ducks back.

I would guess that in this particular scenario, they wanted to add a friend to the group so they were just clearing a spot. Just a guess.

Don’t you have to have all three other members vote to kick for it to be successful? If so, OP story is quite ironic in that he voted to not kick a player for no obvious, only for that player to turn around and vote to kick him for no reason.

secondrowforward wrote: »

Yesterday I was using the 'Looking for Dungeon' tool with my DPS character to get my daily 10 crystals. I landed in Fungal Grotto 1, which, as most of you know is not a hard dungeon and can be done solo with little problem. I am over CP 1200, there were two players mid level and one level 19. Within 30 seconds there was a notification to kick the level 19 player. I am inclined not to kick players without a very valid reason, so I answered no. Within a couple of minutes I found myself being kicked from the game. No doubt this was in revenge for me not kicking the first player, who no doubt didn't know he/she was the first target. I feel this so called kicking tool is over used by players who, in my opinion, have an overinflated opinion of themselves. In my opinion it should be adjusted to prevent this kind of misuse. I only kick people who are afk or abusive in chat, otherwise I will leave the game if the dungeon can't be completed with that team. No doubt I will get a lot of flak for this post. But at 75 years old and 20 years in the military this will be water off a ducks back.

I'm all for reasons being listed in the vote to kick action. You want to kick me? Alright but I want a reason to go with it. Could be a list of the top reasons to kick along with an option to put in an 'Other' reason. If 'Other' is choosen, you must fill out the reason. I'm also for a bigger announcement of the Vote to Kick, one that people have to read and decide on. Instead of just clicking yes to get rid of it like swatting a fly.

I've been in one of those situations where the group wanted to kick someone right from the beginning. I said no to their request because I saw no reason for it. They kept trying to kick this person a few more times and probably attempted to kick me as well. Didn't work as they intended. I saw no reason to kick. He or she was doing the dungeon to their best ability and it wasn't a hard dungeon either, just a normal random base game one.

VaranisArano wrote: »

The game has no way to distinguish between:
- kicking a player for low level
- kicking a player for being unable to fulfill their role
- kicking a player for being unwilling to fulfill their role
- kicking a player for rushing ahead or for being too slow
- kicking an AFK player
- kicking an abusive player
- kicking a player in revenge for not going along with a vote kick

How do you suggest ZOS adjust the ability to vote kick?

Only thing i can think of here is some sort of points system tied to DF( if you formed the group yourself you can kick whoever you please). Just as example:

• Every time you initiate the vote to kick someone you gain 4 points
• Every time you approve a vote to kick someone you gain 2 points.
• Kicking people who are not online when the vote is initiated does not cost any points.
• If it will put you over 12 points, you can no longer initiate a vote kick.
• If it will put you over 12 points your vote for a kick is automatically no.
• Every hour you spend in a DF dungeon you lose 1 point off your total.
• The deserter penalty is reduced to 3 minutes after the first combat is initiated.
• When you leave a dungeon before the dungeon has been completed but after deserter, you are put in the top of queue. This can only occur once every 2 hours.

Something like that would help, i think.

The only time I was in a random dungeon with a group and there was a vote to kick someone, it was because someone in the group had gone offline for some reason and didn't come back on. I think we were fellow guild members in a group that started out doing world bosses, then moved on to queuing for random dungeons. This was before the sticker book and the addition of transmute crystals to daily random dungeon rewards. The offline player may even have announced that they were going to bed because it was so late. I had no trouble voting to kick in that scenario.

Personally, if I were in a random dungeon and a vote came up to kick an active player, I might be tempted to just leave on the spot and go find a different group.

I've never been kicked out of a dungeon myself, although there were times when I was sorely tempted to leave on my own so the group could try to find someone better than me! And I've been invited to group with a friend only to be uninvited after their buddy got a look at me (before we had even attempted any content together)-- which was A-OK with me, since I'd been in the middle of doing something else (probably crafting writs) before receiving the invite, and I was only too happy to go back to whatever it was I'd been doing. I'm not into grinding for transmute crystals or other daily random dungeon rewards-- or gear, or XP, or AP, etc.-- so it wouldn't hurt my feelings if a group kicked me.

But based on what I've read time and again in the forums, I agree that this mechanism is abused far too often.

GreenHere wrote: »

secondrowforward wrote: »

Yesterday I was using the 'Looking for Dungeon' tool with my DPS character to get my daily 10 crystals. I landed in Fungal Grotto 1, which, as most of you know is not a hard dungeon and can be done solo with little problem. I am over CP 1200, there were two players mid level and one level 19. Within 30 seconds there was a notification to kick the level 19 player. I am inclined not to kick players without a very valid reason, so I answered no. Within a couple of minutes I found myself being kicked from the game. No doubt this was in revenge for me not kicking the first player, who no doubt didn't know he/she was the first target. I feel this so called kicking tool is over used by players who, in my opinion, have an overinflated opinion of themselves. In my opinion it should be adjusted to prevent this kind of misuse. I only kick people who are afk or abusive in chat, otherwise I will leave the game if the dungeon can't be completed with that team. No doubt I will get a lot of flak for this post. But at 75 years old and 20 years in the military this will be water off a ducks back.

It's also entirely possible that the lowbie that was being voted to kick was actually an alt account of one of your teammates. I've seen people queue up with a low alt, ensuring that they get a quick & easy dungeon, then they kick the dummy to make room for a friend or whatever. Not sure how common this is, but I've seen it more than once now and I don't even run randoms that much anymore.

The best solution is to pre-form your own groups, then just queue up for random dailies for the rewards. You still get the XP bonus this way, and the mail stuff. Ever since I started either gathering folks from guild chat, or zone chat in Undaunted Enclave areas, my PUG life has become approximately 4,837% better. Dungeons are actually fun again!

Yes thought the same thing,
But if so the level 19 should simply say please kick me to solve this, from time to time people asked to get kicked from time to time, not up for dungeons especially dlc.

The level 19 had to agree on kick on you.
However if you invite one player I assume he will not get the random bonus,

Very rarely do people kick in normal unless afk or sprinting ahead then most need quest.
Yes some normal dlc fails on weak groups but then its the group who is the problem not one player.