Ummm can someone explain this?

DRTE · April 2021

Anyone explain why LA's from s&b hit harder than staff LA's? I'm a mag dk so this should not be a thing.
https://imgur.com/KiPrEtb

Sangwyne · April 2021

ZOS adjusted ranged attacks to deal 10% less damage than melee attacks with the Markarth update.

Reduced the damage from all ranged Light and Medium Attacks by 10% to ensure they meet ranged damage standards. Heavy Attacks already meet these standards.

This is on top of SnB having a 5% Weapon Damage increase as compensation for not having a second weapon glyph like Dual Wield, so you will notice a stronger tooltip on its light attacks. Honestly, I agree that melee attacks should have slightly higher damage anyhow to make up for their lack of range and safety, but it really sucks that there isn't a weapon suitable for melee Magicka builds like DK and Templar, they're already dead last compared to other classes.

DRTE · April 2021

So in other words gimped mag once again?

Sangwyne · April 2021

DRTE wrote: »

So in other words gimped mag once again?

Pretty much, although I can assure you that Stam DK isn't exactly faring any better. Quite the opposite. DK as a whole needs a rework, along with Templar, they both are sad reminders of what could have been.

Firstmep · April 2021

Well, majika is still the meta for pve trial groups, despite the 10% cut to light attacks.
This change also affected bows btw.
I think staff passives could use a little cleaning up, apart from arena weapons, there's less and less reason to use a staff over melee weapons, even in Pve.

ESO_Nightingale · April 2021

Sangwyne wrote: »

DRTE wrote: »

So in other words gimped mag once again?

Pretty much, although I can assure you that Stam DK isn't exactly faring any better. Quite the opposite. DK as a whole needs a rework, along with Templar, they both are sad reminders of what could have been.

I don't think any classes need a whole rework. Certainly not warden which does need a lot of balancing, and playstyle changes to seperate magicka and stamina counterparts. I only really think that 2 of warden's morphs could use large reworks to change the playstyle and usage of them. Those being arctic blast and corrupting pollen. i suspect it's at a similar level or less severe on other classes.

Firstmep · April 2021

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

Sangwyne wrote: »

DRTE wrote: »

So in other words gimped mag once again?

Pretty much, although I can assure you that Stam DK isn't exactly faring any better. Quite the opposite. DK as a whole needs a rework, along with Templar, they both are sad reminders of what could have been.

I don't think any classes need a whole rework. Certainly not warden which does need a lot of balancing, and playstyle changes to seperate magicka and stamina counterparts. I only really think that 2 of warden's morphs could use large reworks to change the playstyle and usage of them. Those being arctic blast and corrupting pollen. i suspect it's at a similar level or less severe on other classes.

Templars do have a bit of an identity problem at the moment.
We are not really a tanky hold your ground type of class, or a high dmg class either.
Lots of skills and passives that feel outdated compared to what wardens and necros get, altho this is true for dk as well.

ESO_Nightingale · April 2021

Firstmep wrote: »

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

Sangwyne wrote: »

DRTE wrote: »

So in other words gimped mag once again?

Pretty much, although I can assure you that Stam DK isn't exactly faring any better. Quite the opposite. DK as a whole needs a rework, along with Templar, they both are sad reminders of what could have been.

I don't think any classes need a whole rework. Certainly not warden which does need a lot of balancing, and playstyle changes to seperate magicka and stamina counterparts. I only really think that 2 of warden's morphs could use large reworks to change the playstyle and usage of them. Those being arctic blast and corrupting pollen. i suspect it's at a similar level or less severe on other classes.

Templars do have a bit of an identity problem at the moment.
We are not really a tanky hold your ground type of class, or a high dmg class either.
Lots of skills and passives that feel outdated compared to what wardens and necros get, altho this is true for dk as well.

i can say that warden's passives make up for its inherent lack of class skills. templar's skills might not be fantastic as you claim, but i think that buffing both the power of the skills and passives is a little too much. considering they have a lot of damage skills to work with already.

Everest_Lionheart · April 2021

Sangwyne wrote: »

DRTE wrote: »

So in other words gimped mag once again?

Pretty much, although I can assure you that Stam DK isn't exactly faring any better. Quite the opposite. DK as a whole needs a rework, along with Templar, they both are sad reminders of what could have been.

MagDK is mostly there to be a buff class. Zen’s and MK up on the boss bash weaving in your 7pc light armor trying to keep you stam below 50% and praying that you don’t actually have to block anything so you can stay alive while everyone else pew-pew’s from a distance. There is a reason most groups bring one and that person is generally a specialist at the job. Not easy, but someone has to do it.

tsaescishoeshiner · April 2021

DRTE wrote: »

So in other words gimped mag once again?

IMO, no. If you look at esologs, you'll find that mag users, who are still way outperforming stam builds by topping every chart with barely a stam character anywhere near the top, mostly use inferno staves, and sometimes double daggers. Personally, I think of it as a nice build option.