People UNDER 400 CP, what would you define as endgame?

thomasadinkerke · April 2021

I'm wondering what new-ish players think about what the endgame is all about.

Mainly because I myself had it happen that i had a very different mindset of endgame when i was lower CP compared to now

TwinLamps · April 2021

Do I qualify as I have several accounts that are barely over cp 300
:X3D:

lazywhiteseal · April 2021

when you have all your gears to gold quality plus the traits and enchant to your liking and have all the cp ability to your liking. how much cp you have doesnt define someone as end game user.

its the gears, skills, knowledge, cp passive and actives, and technics.

you can give a newbie with 160cp all gold gears. it doesnt make them end game user since they dont have the other 4 that i mentioned

Starlock · April 2021

My definition of "endgame" hasn't changed since I started playing.

"Endgame" is when I'm reaching the end of a game. You know... an actual ending? The conclusion of a story? Fin? Time to stop playing? Or for games that have replay value, when you start NewGame Plus mode? Make a new character and play the game again differently? That sort of thing?

I find any other usage of the term to be a misnomer, because the stuff many call "endgame" isn't any sort of actual ending. Rather, it seems to refer to repetitive gameplay loops that don't have any sort of ending. I suppose calling it what it actually is doesn't have much of a ring to it.

Orion_89 · April 2021

When I was lower then 400 CP, vanilla veteran dungeons were almost imposible to beat.

Beardimus · April 2021

Lower level I thought it was trials.
Turns out it was PvP, trials were a poor experience.

End game for me is basically where you just end up playing. I.e. story modes done but you are just rolling now in Cyrodiil / BG or trials etc. Story is done

Rasoma · April 2021

Endgame - hate the term and always have.

Endgame to me literally means when all has been seen and done and it is time to move on.

I have months of work ahead of me just clearing and completing each zone in the world before I even consider if the so-called endgame trials/pvp/dungeons are enough fun to take part in.

menedhyn · April 2021

I have played since 2015, but none of my characters above CP400. Honestly, I don't know what endgame is or if it has any meaning to me. I'm not in a rush to achieve, obtain or complete anything and i'm enjoying all parts of the game I play. That's probably no help to you

Danikat · April 2021

I'm not new (I've been playing since 2015) but I am still just under 400CP.

Given the choice I don't use the term end game because it sounds like nonsense to me. The end of the game is the point where you've finished everything and have to stop playing or start over. If you've still got stuff to do then it's not the end, and yes that does mean some games will never end.

But I understand that some MMO players use it to mean either anything you're likely to be doing after reaching the level cap or the hardest content in the game. In that sense one answer is that almost all of ESO is end game because even if you level by questing without XP boosts you're likely to get through 3-4 maps by the time you're level 50, so you'll still have a huge amount of overworld content to play. I suppose PvP is the same, but that's going round and round the same map no matter what level you are.

But if you're talking specifically about 'endgame content' - stuff that can't be played earlier on - that would be trials and veteran dungeons since I think those are the only areas of the game which actually have CP requirements.

Luke_Flamesword · April 2021

For me endgame is term for all repeatable, potencialy endless activities - for example: PvP, group PvE, housing, collecting (recipes, styles, gear sets, etc.), farming/trading/making money, roleplaying, making alt characters... It's all what you can do beside one-time content like quests.

What's really great - most of it you can do even with CP 0. You miss only some of hardcore PvE content (in PvP you have noCP alternatives) but this is not even 1% of whole game

nukk3r · April 2021

I'm at ~1400CP but you can't stop me from answering

Your perspective will change. At lower CPs I thought it's all about doing vet content, now my definition of endgame is closer to the one from chess, when promotion of pawns becomes a main thing. I can create a new toon and make it ready for any content in a couple of days. I can buy any house I want and put in several millions worth of furniture right away.

Starlight_Whisper · April 2021

Slaves to the main account. 👀

Sylvermynx · April 2021

I will have been playing 3 years in June - so not exactly a "new player". My two PC NA accounts are both over 400 CP; my two on PC EU are both far under 400 CP. Doesn't matter - endgame is nothing I'm interested in. I don't pvp; I don't enjoy dungeon instances (group content is difficult due to my high satellite ping so I just don't go there - not at all fair to the rest of the group); and trials (raids in WoW and RIFT) are something I burned out on in those other games, so won't be doing them here (as well, again it would be an issue with ping).

My version of endgame is running an endless stream of alt characters through different parts of the questing content, doing a bit of fussing with housing, dressing them all differently using outfit station, etc. That's my sort of fun.

Alurria · April 2021

There is no end game until the servers shut down. MMORPG are not made to end. Single player has a beginning and end, in a Massively Multiplayer Online Role Playing game you are in a story a story that encompasses your characters life. When they shut the servers down that is the end. I can't remember which games now but I was there for at least 3 games shutting down, one was a scifi game. It was sad but we all jumped around party style until the server went bye bye. That is end of game. Harder content player is a more correct term. Sitting at 7 years played here and my main character is just over 400 cp my second main the one I play currently is just at 500 cp. It has been easier with my second character than my first. I loved my first character but grew tired of playing her. I hope I never reach end game and the way I play I am not rushing. I am enjoying, I was occupied for 3 hrs last night just running to different houses I have and even popped for the newest notable home ayleid ruins. It will take me years to furnish and that's just fine with me. I have outfits to collect, pets to collect, gear to collect, more quests to do, more delves, more public dungeons. Companions are coming, events and just farming mats. There is so much to do in this game anyone who says they have done it all I'm a bit sceptical. Oh achievements, oh antiquities which I completely forgot to mention.

Mayrael · April 2021

When I started the game there was no CP, hell there was only 12 veteran levels. For me back then end game was getting my toons maxed out. Being able to fight multiple groups of mobs in veteran zones, it was not a walk in a park like it is today, vet zones were scary as .... when you got there first time. I liked that, getting Caldwell's gold was really meaningful back then. You also needed it to get access to all zones, which sucked TBH. There was a lot of challenge in overland PvE back then.

Nestor · April 2021

The term should be Cap Game.

In this case, there are two tiers of Cap Game, Gear Cap and Champ Cap. Of course, we need to define Champ Cap, would it be 3600 or the level at which you can do one of the roles really well? I am thinking it is the Role Cap.

Oh great, now there are 3 Caps for this game....

Then some will want to be able to excel at all 3 roles without redistributing, so, what, call that the Soft Cap? 4 Caps?!?

Too many Caps for all the Hats in this game.

NupidStoob · April 2021

Luke_Flamesword wrote: »

For me endgame is term for all repeatable, potencialy endless activities - for example: PvP, group PvE, housing, collecting (recipes, styles, gear sets, etc.), farming/trading/making money, roleplaying, making alt characters... It's all what you can do beside one-time content like quests.

This is pretty much what people actually mean when they talk about endgame in MMOs. Some people here seem to be way too literal with the term.

Moonsprite · April 2021

There is no endgame, only alts 😊

Tandor · April 2021

I've played continuously on PC EU since launch, with a second account early on, and also on PC NA with both accounts for a couple of years or so. No CPs on the NA server and 290 CPs on the EU server on one account, 110 CPs on the other account. Only 4 characters out of 43 have hit level 50 thus far, all on PC EU.

I define "endgame" as that part of a MMO that some players strive to reach as quickly as possible and then complain about because there's nothing to do, it's unbalanced, they want to be given full progression on their other characters rather than have to repeat content, etc.etc.

Personally, I have no desire in any MMO to reach that stage in a game and for me it's all about enjoying the journey multiple times rather than rushing to the destination in order to reach some mythical gaming nirvana that doesn't actually exist.

Starlock · April 2021

NupidStoob wrote: »

Luke_Flamesword wrote: »

For me endgame is term for all repeatable, potencialy endless activities - for example: PvP, group PvE, housing, collecting (recipes, styles, gear sets, etc.), farming/trading/making money, roleplaying, making alt characters... It's all what you can do beside one-time content like quests.

This is pretty much what people actually mean when they talk about endgame in MMOs. Some people here seem to be way too literal with the term.

Because the term was mostly used in that way before addictive, habit-forming games with endless gameplay loops were created. Those types of endless games then appropriated the term even though it doesn't make sense as these games have no endings. Some of us like language and word use making sense.

NupidStoob · April 2021

Starlock wrote: »

NupidStoob wrote: »

Luke_Flamesword wrote: »

For me endgame is term for all repeatable, potencialy endless activities - for example: PvP, group PvE, housing, collecting (recipes, styles, gear sets, etc.), farming/trading/making money, roleplaying, making alt characters... It's all what you can do beside one-time content like quests.

This is pretty much what people actually mean when they talk about endgame in MMOs. Some people here seem to be way too literal with the term.

Because the term was mostly used in that way before addictive, habit-forming games with endless gameplay loops were created. Those types of endless games then appropriated the term even though it doesn't make sense as these games have no endings. Some of us like language and word use making sense.

Just because developers don't define a clear ending to a game anymore doesn't mean that there is no end. People define their own endings of the game by setting goals and once accomplishing them they either set new goals or quit. In a sense we have way more power over our experience than we used to especially with the massive freedom we have on choosing from a wide variety of activities.

I think the term is perfectly applicable to describe the state of the game where you actively work and focus on what you actually really want to do in the game after you dealt with things that might have been in the way of reaching that point such as leveling or farming gear for example.

infinous · April 2021

To do any group content on hard or harder without dying.

MyKillv2.0 · April 2021

Fashion.

What the flippin' frog do YOU consider endgame? The pvp content that is still playing on the same map that was introduced at launch? The one new trial a year? The sweet dungeons that hardly anyone plays after the first day?

Fashion is end game. Everything else is.... Idk,

(Seriously hope no one takes this post as super cereal.)

cynicalbutterfly · April 2021

Back when I was below 400 cp, end game to me was golded out gear and being able to do vet dungeons. I literally strived for the best of the best to get there. At some point, I hit that wall of 'what am I doin'. I no longer focus so much on 'end game' and focus on what I can do now. Trials are what I consider end game now. And with the new changes to CP, it gonna be a while before I'm ready for those. A long while lol

Lorajet · April 2021

End game for me is if I can't get on the Megaserver.

Folkb · April 2021

Right now I'm slowly getting my starter gear from drops and also still finishing overland quests. After that i will move on to getting my gear to yellow quality and work on the higher end gear.

Torbschka · April 2021

I just did flawless conqueror with 260 cp lol

josiahva · April 2021

End game to me was simply content you played after the main storyline ended(or you became bored with basic overland stuff). It could be anything from vet dungeons, to trials, to PvP, whatever. Of course I haven't been under 400CP for a long time...but the definition still hasn't changed to me. Once you complete the overland stuff, all that is left that is more difficult is endgame.

Kadraeus · April 2021

My endgame has been fashion since around level 50. I'm over CP 300 now and I can't stop hunting for motifs and style pages. My inventory is suffering from all the duplicates, though.

Grandchamp1989 · April 2021

Not below cp400 but I dare an answer.

For the ultimate challenges I guess the true endgame is either HM Trials or PVP.
Other endgame may include housing and decorating since it's so utterly expensive to decorate big mansions to look halfway decent.
For time I supposed stuff like master angler and other achievement hunting.

_Zathras_ · April 2021

thomasadinkerke wrote: »

I'm wondering what new-ish players think about what the endgame is all about.

Mainly because I myself had it happen that i had a very different mindset of endgame when i was lower CP compared to now

Unless you are new to MMOs, and don't have the experience to know any better, "endgame" is very relative to the individual.

For myself, I don't even have an endgame. I think the whole concept just puts a cap on your gaming experience, a limit, where everything you are doing now is the final bit of content until you complete that. And then what?

CP, or lack thereof, isn't a measure of anything outside of skills/passives you have, or have yet to gain. I have a brand new account with zero CPs, and my idea of endgame hasn't changed. I also have a veteran account, with X amount of CPs, whose gear/skills/achievements still does not matter to how I perceive endgame.

For me, if I were to nail down what my endgame is, it would be when I was so utterly bored and done with the game that there was nothing left to do, leaving me with no other option than to unsubscribe and move on.