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Why is ZOS protecting scammers?
WereElf
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First they create a system, that doesn't allow people to safely trade gold for crowns. They make the transactions trust based. And for some reason refuse to implement a safe system for players to do such transactions. And since such transactions are possible at all, it's obvious that it's not because they want to prevent them from happening.
Then when someone gets scammed (which is bound to happen sooner or later), they do nothing about it. It's been over half a year since I got scammed for 450k gold, and they haven't refunded me the gold, and I suppose that they haven't punished the scammer either.
Not to mention I had to write a forum post for them to even notice my ticket....
And they also don't allow ME to take action against the scammer, due to forum rules against "naming and shaming". He may be the biggest scumbag of them all, he may (or may not) be constantly scamming people. But you are not allowed to warn other players about this scammer!
It's almost as if they WANT people to be scammed.
I promised ZOS that I will not renew my ESO Plus until my issue has been resolved, and since it has been over half a year since then, I assume that they will just let it be.
Well, I refuse to support a company, that SUPPORTS scammers, and PROTECTS them from being publicly named, so the community would be aware of them.
Then when someone gets scammed (which is bound to happen sooner or later), they do nothing about it. It's been over half a year since I got scammed for 450k gold, and they haven't refunded me the gold, and I suppose that they haven't punished the scammer either.
Not to mention I had to write a forum post for them to even notice my ticket....
And they also don't allow ME to take action against the scammer, due to forum rules against "naming and shaming". He may be the biggest scumbag of them all, he may (or may not) be constantly scamming people. But you are not allowed to warn other players about this scammer!
It's almost as if they WANT people to be scammed.
I promised ZOS that I will not renew my ESO Plus until my issue has been resolved, and since it has been over half a year since then, I assume that they will just let it be.
Well, I refuse to support a company, that SUPPORTS scammers, and PROTECTS them from being publicly named, so the community would be aware of them.
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hasi✭✭✭✭Here before it gets closed..
Usually they reply very well towards Scammers, at least in my experience, but you only get refunded ONCE. So if you got scammed some time before, you will clearly get no compensation.
Generally trades like this carry their risk, so they can't prevent it from happening. It was your choice, so you carry the consequence.
If you want to warn people, do it ingame on Zone or Guild Chats. That's probably more effective than doing it on here, where people most likely don't even share the same platform as you.5 -
WereElf✭✭✭Naah, I haven't ever been compensated.
Ever since then, I have been asking for goods before I pay.3 -
perfiction✭✭✭✭✭First they create a system, that doesn't allow people to safely trade gold for crowns.
They created a system that allows gifting crown items, not trading them. ZOS never endorsed crown trading, they even inform people that they don't support this kind of trading and if you get scammed then well, it's on you.
The only thing you can blame ZOS for is leaving it in the grey area - quietly allowing it, yet not endorsing it and not giving you any support when you face any issues. But this attitude is not specific for crown trading. You can make the same argument about addons (especially TTC/MM which can heavily impact game economy), third party companion apps or websites etc.
Just a side note - don't trust random people from zone chat, it's literally asking to get scammed, especially during free trial events. Use moderated channels instead (for example Crown Black Market discord server).Edited by perfiction on April 6, 2021 10:34AM6 -
WereElf✭✭✭perfiction wrote: »The only thing you can blame ZOS for is leaving it in the grey area - quietly allowing it, yet not endorsing it and not giving you any support when you face any issues.
And that's exactly what I'm blaming them for.4 -
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✭✭✭I know how you feel,I lost 1,5 million gold in August last year.
It was my first time being scammed and the scammer was cp 400+.I bought many crown gifts from different people during that time and all went good till that moment.I contacted Zos the same day,provided screenshots from the chat and me trading the gold and on top of that the person laughed at my face in chat and said he scammed me,also I made shots of it and sended it to Zos.
I had a ticket open about it for 2 months,the only thing I got told was they are investigating it and they said I would get my gold back in mail once they finish investigating.
Guess what? Never got any mail from Zos.The gold isn't a big deal for me but what got me was the little they care when you want help from them.
Back in 2019 when the costumer support still sold you stuff what wasnt in the store at the moment,I purchased a lot of houses from them and they always responded to my tickets withing less than 24 hours and they where ever so helpful and quick in taking my crowns.
I do not blame a company to make money,I am one of those people who are gladly supporting the game by pre ordering stuff,even buying dlcs collector editions but for once I needed help they ignored me.
Edited by Lady_Galadhiel on April 6, 2021 10:46AMTotal ESO playtime: 8325 hours
ESO plus status: Cancelled
ESO currently uninstalled.4 -
Túrin_Vidsmidr✭✭✭lmao just let it go, i made 450k on one day of this event.
ZOS won't care as long as they get their money.The best techniques are passed on by the survivors.0 -
hasi✭✭✭✭By the way, I hope you responded to the automatic E-Mail you always receive from the Customer Support.
If not, it's clear why your ticket didn't progress.
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WereElf✭✭✭Túrin_Vidsmidr wrote: »lmao just let it go, i made 450k on one day of this event.
ZOS won't care as long as they get their money.
It's not about the gold. Hell, since then I've made... perhaps over 10 mil. The problem is that they are not only not doing anything AGAINST scammers, but they are actually protecting them.By the way, I hope you responded to the automatic E-Mail you always receive from the Customer Support.
If not, it's clear why your ticket didn't progress.
I certainly did, but I had to make a forum post about it for the ticket to get noticed.2 -
perfiction✭✭✭✭✭The problem is that they are not only not doing anything AGAINST scammers, but they are actually protecting them.
I wouldn't say they protect scammers. They just don't give a duck because they never intended crown trading to be a thing, yet it's profitable for ZOS (someone first has to buy those crowns or ESO+ sub to sell them).Edited by perfiction on April 6, 2021 11:37AM1 -
WereElf✭✭✭"perfiction wrote: »they never intended crown trading to be a thing, yet it's profitable for ZOS.
Exactly. There are these people, who will not pay real money for ingame currency, no matter how much they want something from the crown store, but they'll gladly part with their gold for it.
And there are people willing to part with their real money to get some gold ingame. ZOS is getting money, the seller is getting gold, the buyer is getting the thing they want. Everyone will be happy.They should just ban everyone who takes gold for gifting crowns. That would fix it really quickly.
In this case the buyer will simply go without the thing he wants. People will stop buying crowns for other people, and ZOS will make less money, sellers will have less gold, and buyers will not get what they want.
Since the 1-st situation is the one where everybody wins and the 2-nd situation is the one where everybody loses, it'd make more sense for ZOS to embrace crown trading and make it official, by introducing a crown-trading system, that would make transactions safe for both parties.4 -
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✭✭✭✭✭"perfiction wrote: »they never intended crown trading to be a thing, yet it's profitable for ZOS.
Exactly. There are these people, who will not pay real money for ingame currency, no matter how much they want something from the crown store, but they'll gladly part with their gold for it.
And there are people willing to part with their real money to get some gold ingame. ZOS is getting money, the seller is getting gold, the buyer is getting the thing they want. Everyone will be happy.They should just ban everyone who takes gold for gifting crowns. That would fix it really quickly.
In this case the buyer will simply go without the thing he wants. People will stop buying crowns for other people, and ZOS will make less money, sellers will have less gold, and buyers will not get what they want.
Since the 1-st situation is the one where everybody wins and the 2-nd situation is the one where everybody loses, it'd make more sense for ZOS to embrace crown trading and make it official, by introducing a crown-trading system, that would make transactions safe for both parties.
I don't care. It's a gifting system. You're supposed to gift stuff without expecting something in return.
And it's not like people don't use the crowns they get from ESO+ most of the time anyway.
And if they ever institute an exchange like GW2 have, they better leave the gifting in as well.
But honestly, I'd rather they don't. I don't think it's good for the health of the game.The Moot Councillor0 -
WereElf✭✭✭
I don't know what's the exchange system in GW2 like, but I see no reason why would players not be able to keep gifting stuff. At the very least they would be able to trade stuff from the crown store, while not asking for anything in returnAnd if they ever institute an exchange like GW2 have, they better leave the gifting in as well.
Yeah, I suppose that having a trust based system, with no safe way to trade crowns, that endorses scammers is much healthier for the game.But honestly, I'd rather they don't. I don't think it's good for the health of the game.
Like, can you imagine what would happen if they actually fixed the problem?! Scammers will no longer have a way to scam people
ZOS can not afford that! Scammers are a priceless part of the player experience, and the game will not be the same without them!
BTW, you sound like somebody who's been scamming people and that's why you don't want them to fix their system.3 -
Mefromnorway✭✭✭They should just ban everyone who takes gold for gifting crowns. That would fix it really quickly.
Evrything give them money they dont ban. As long they ern money they dont care, of course they know people would sell crown for gold. Lol
eso should start sell gold problem solved. Like red dead online or gta 5 do. Guess people sell crown for they need gold if not why sell ?
Have fun and dont be rude. Im Norwegian so im sorry for my spelling, but hope u understand.
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