Finding out what things are all about in TES III was quite immersive - where are locations, what is going on there, what kind of people live there, are there any at all, and if not, why, what has happened there - TES III was so immersive, because you didn't know much about where to go - just a hint here and there, from talking to people, gathering information and separate gossip from real information - I doubt though, that a lot will like this kind of game play, but we will see about that.

Lysette wrote: »

Finding out what things are all about in TES III was quite immersive - where are locations, what is going on there, what kind of people live there, are there any at all, and if not, why, what has happened there - TES III was so immersive, because you didn't know much about where to go - just a hint here and there, from talking to people, gathering information and separate gossip from real information - I doubt though, that a lot will like this kind of game play, but we will see about that.

@Lysette

Happy to hear you excitement ! And living the experience of TES 3

As I stated above, it would be possible to make any NPC have whatever information you chose to put on them.

You could talk to them and ask them questions.

Maybe they ask you who send you and depending on what you answer they send you in that direction.

Maybe they ask you a riddle and depending on how you answerer they send you to another person who has a clue.

Or maybe you could just give them some crazy info that makes no sense ofc.

There is also an AddOn that lets you write your own Books in a zone that others get to read from a bookshelf.

Maybe as a clue could be found in a book or some crazy codex

If enough people want this done I think it would be possible, just look at SkyWind and SkyBlivion

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• An AddOn for adding your own custom lore writing friendly books to the world of Elder Scrolls Online. Where Adventures can read your books and you theirs, that are naturally found in bookshelves. You can even create different outcome just like the Smolder Scrolls.
  

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Small sample but I think people want this

Message me if you want to help with this project

WoW has spoiled me on Quests. I want that!

This will never be developed for all players. Hard no.

Tandor wrote: »

I don't use addons and haven't failed or struggled to locate an ESO quest objective in 7 years. They're all shown in some way or another on the map and I really don't see what the problem is - at least on PC, maybe it's different on console. I guess it's possible some players don't realise they can press the map key in the quest journal.

@Tandor I don't think you understood the point of the addon and reading material.

It would be used to enhance the questing with better quest descriptions, so that you can quest without the Quest markers and no objectives on Map.

Just like in TES3 where you had to find the quest objectives and not just follow the Diamond on the map or compass.

cynicalbutterfly wrote: »

Yes but not all of them need to be detailed. We don't really need that much detail on quests like you have in your examples. I don't need to know exact locations like that but a simple narrowing down will do.

The goal would be to enhance the questing by making it possible to quest without the quest markers, but making you also search the area giving you hints for you to discover.

Ekzorka wrote: »

There are marked areas, every MMO have it.

I am sorry, I dont understand what you mean.

Tandor wrote: »

WiseSky wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

I don't use addons and haven't failed or struggled to locate an ESO quest objective in 7 years. They're all shown in some way or another on the map and I really don't see what the problem is - at least on PC, maybe it's different on console. I guess it's possible some players don't realise they can press the map key in the quest journal.

@Tandor I don't think you understood the point of the addon and reading material.

It would be used to enhance the questing with better quest descriptions, so that you can quest without the Quest markers and no objectives on Map.

Just like in TES3 where you had to find the quest objectives and not just follow the Diamond on the map or compass.

I understood it perfectly thanks. I don't want every aspect of the quest directions spelt out for me, I prefer to find things based on the information currently given. The map is simply a fall-back if needed. Next thing people will be asking for wispy trails leading players by the nose. Games have become so trivialised these days, no-one's prepared to think for themselves any more.

@Tandor
Maybe I did not explain it correctly,

Let me try to explain it again.

This Feature would be used with the AddOn PinKiller that Removes the Pins from the map and the compass.
Leaving you completely blind from using any Quest Markers on the Compass and Quest Markers on the world and the map.
Just like in TES3

Here is what it looks like

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• Gain full control of all Pins for quests , this AddOn will hide any and all manner of floating quest pins in the World, on your Map and/or your Compass. Makes you really pay attention and explore the world fully, if you wish.

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So lets take a Quest for an Example in the mages guild quest line.

This is what the NPC has for you:

I must find a ruin nearby, which Valaste says may hold a store of ancient knowledge.
Objective: Enter the Ruins

That is all you have to work with.

Let's take an example that you took that quest in Audrion. The exact location can vary since the the Mages guild can be in more then 1 city.

Lets see, what you info we have " Find a Ruin Nearby" and Objective Enter the Ruins

Places that look like ruins are Circled in Blue, the Red Arrow is the route you are supposed to take.



As you can see you would have to explore more then 9 Locations that are "ruins Near By"
The location you would have to find is "Ondil" but you would pass by 3 locations that look like ruins, that are closer depending where you take the quest.


To find the Ruins is Trivial if you have the compass and quest markers.
You just follow them blindly without thinking.

This reading material or addon will add to the quest description : Objective: Enter the Ruins, They are near by a waterfall near the town of Phar that has lots farming fields. (just a quick example I made up)

With that Info you can actually explore Audrion and try to find the ruins with clues that are helpful.

I agree with you that lots of video games have become trivialized that don't make you think.

In TES3 you had clues and you were supposed to find the location on your own.

In ESO you just follow the Arrow on your compass or on your map.

If you chose to Make the game less trivial, by removing the quest markers on map and compass, then you either find it by exploring the whole map to find the "ruins near by", or you find it right away cause you are Magical Sherlock Holmes, and when the NPC said "Ruins Near By" you deduced she meant "Ondil" cause your iq is 3888

I hope I made it more clear.

Ever play a texted based adventure? ' you're in a room there is a plain door to the west and a ornate door to the east which way do you want to go? ' hmm.. think I will choose W. Yes finding your way through a door could lead you to a monster. The original quest said it was west of here. I am fine with what we have currently. I think Zos does a great job of leading us along.