oh and 1 more thing, learn how to get thru content (arenas) w/o PO first then use it to get achieves. Just because streamers use it when they run thru content does not mean you have to cheese the game like they do. just take your time, learn mechanics and you will get thru it. I did vVH on 7 characters before i even farmed the PO ring so i could learn mechanics. PO just make it easier like having your sauce on the side

Thank you for your replies Ramber

You're confusing the scrying and digging with how you get the leads.

Once you have the LEAD, it is a scryable and diggable item, in Glenumbra.

BUT, what you're farming for is the lead, which drops from trash monsters.

There is another lead also found in Bad Mans Hallows, which drops from boss monsters, for a different antiquity. This is, again, not an item, but a lead - once you have the lead, you have to scry and dig to find the item.

The annoyance here is as follows: (a) There just isn't enough trash in Bad Mans Hallows. Most other Public Dungeons have considerably more trash mobs that respawn faster. (b) What trash there is, as often as not, a whole group of them just don't drop items. Most other Public Dungeons have trash mobs that are more likely to drop items than the mobs of Bad Mans Hallows. (c) And because there are two leads here, the dungeon is constantly overrun with people trying to farm, so a lot of the trash monsters are going to be taken out repeatedly before you get there, and because it's stuff like skeevers and hoarvors, there is very little chance of multiple people getting a hit in on any given monster, so the chances are that even if you're there, if there are other people there, there's a good chance that the trashmob will die without you ever getting a hit on it, so it won't drop anything for you because you don't count as having killed it.

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