If you threw a pie/mud in someone's face and they got angry...
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✭✭✭✭✭spartaxoxo wrote: »SilverBride wrote: »spartaxoxo wrote: »It's only rude if they ignore you don't like it, it's not rude to try and engage you in the first place.
Emoting with strangers has been an accepted social norm of MMOs for decades.
I don't like it, so to me it's rude.
Also, emoting is very different from interacting with someone else's character.
Your personal taste doesn't dictate what is rude or not. Social norms and your environment are supposed to also supposed to be taking into account.
I actually find it quite rude that you're calling it rude. I wouldn't go to a public basketball court and when someone tossed me a ball and asked me to play, tell them off for not only playing basketball with friends when I only wanted to watch. I would acknowledge they are trying to be nice, and politely decline. If I were a vegetarian, I wouldn't go a burger joint that served salads and proclaim the cashier rude for asking me if I'd like to try their special, because I find eating meat offensive.
You are choosing to play an MMO where hitting random people with mudballs is not only the accepted social norm, but celebrated and rewarded by the developers of the game. Shaming people for engaging in normal and encouraged gameplay that people are sometimes specifically there to do (e.g. someone getting the achievement for the Jesters festival) because it doesn't cater to your personal tastes is what I would consider rude, personally.
You should show others the same respect that you want from them, and not shame them for normal gameplay by treating the same as actually rude people and bullies, imo.
I stand by my opinion.Edited by SilverBride on March 31, 2021 7:26PMPCNA1 -
Eedat✭✭✭✭✭spartaxoxo wrote: »SilverBride wrote: »It's amazing to me how many players try to justify being a bully by saying "It's just a game".
It's not bullying lol. I could write a long list of things that really annoy me and none of it would be considered bullying. None of which dictates how other have to play either. It's literally using a feature as intended to change the color of some pixels temporarily. You're just calling it that to make it sound way worse than it really is and to pretend that this is a moral issue which it isn't lol. It's pixels changing color on a screen. Essentially over exaggerating for affect.
It's not about the effect of the pie, but the intent of the pie throwerer. Following someone around doing something you know aggravates them is harassment. And harassment can reasonably be described as bullying.
If someone asks you to stop, then you stop. It's that simple. There are plenty of other people you can target.
Pie throwing can be bullying
That doesn't make it bullying either lol. OK so let's use an example. I'm out farming Crag and someone runs to a node I was going to and harvests it right before me. This is something that would annoy me. I wanted that node. Their gameplay is directly impacting my experience. But they had every right to play the game their way and their way lead them to that node 0.5 seconds faster than mine did. It's not bullying or harassment that they took the node lol.
Alright let's go a step further. I tell them "hey stop farming here you're ruining my farming time and aggrevating me". Would anyone consider it bullying or harassment if they continued farming? Of course not lol. They have just as much right to play their game as I do mine. They don't have to run their time running to a new spot just because I'm upset. I do not own every node in Crag
Alright another step further. We start running the same route and ends up following me around farming nodes I want. I'd be very annoyed at this point. Still not bullying or harassment lol. That's their route as much as it is mine
Another step. That guy or girl is annoyed I had the audacity to assume I had the right to these nodes and deliberately follows me to grab nodes. And yet they still have every right to any node they find no matter how much it aggrevates me.
And it's still not harassment or bullying lol. Would me asking them to stop what they're doing for the sole reason that I'm there be a bit entitled and snooty? Yes. Is them following me around because I annoyed them a bit childish? Yes. Is it a ban worthy offense like harassment? In what world? Absolutely not lol.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭SilverBride wrote: »spartaxoxo wrote: »SilverBride wrote: »spartaxoxo wrote: »It's only rude if they ignore you don't like it, it's not rude to try and engage you in the first place.
Emoting with strangers has been an accepted social norm of MMOs for decades.
I don't like it, so to me it's rude.
Also, emoting is very different from interacting with someone else's character.
Your personal taste doesn't dictate what is rude or not. Social norms and your environment are supposed to also supposed to be taking into account.
I actually find it quite rude that you're calling it rude. I wouldn't go to a public basketball court and when someone tossed me a ball and asked me to play, tell them off for not only playing basketball with friends when I only wanted to watch. I would acknowledge they are trying to be nice, and politely decline. If I were a vegetarian, I wouldn't go a burger joint that served salads and proclaim the cashier rude for asking me if I'd like to try their special, because I find eating meat offensive.
You are choosing to play an MMO where hitting random people with mudballs is not only the accepted social norm, but celebrated and rewarded by the developers of the game. Shaming people for engaging in normal and encouraged gameplay that people are sometimes specifically there to do (e.g. someone getting the achievement for the Jesters festival) because it doesn't cater to your personal tastes is what I would consider rude, personally.
You should show others the same respect that you want from them, and not shame them for normal gameplay by treating the same as actually rude people and bullies, imo.
I stand by my opinion.
And I stand by mine and will never hesitate to point it out. I think shaming people for normal behavior is itself bullying and will never hesitate to point it out and why I think that way. You're entitled to your opinion, and I am entitled to mine.
That said, seems we've reached an impasse. Good day.Edited by spartaxoxo on March 31, 2021 7:28PM2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭spartaxoxo wrote: »SilverBride wrote: »It's amazing to me how many players try to justify being a bully by saying "It's just a game".
It's not bullying lol. I could write a long list of things that really annoy me and none of it would be considered bullying. None of which dictates how other have to play either. It's literally using a feature as intended to change the color of some pixels temporarily. You're just calling it that to make it sound way worse than it really is and to pretend that this is a moral issue which it isn't lol. It's pixels changing color on a screen. Essentially over exaggerating for affect.
It's not about the effect of the pie, but the intent of the pie throwerer. Following someone around doing something you know aggravates them is harassment. And harassment can reasonably be described as bullying.
If someone asks you to stop, then you stop. It's that simple. There are plenty of other people you can target.
Pie throwing can be bullying
That doesn't make it bullying either lol. OK so let's use an example. I'm out farming Crag and someone runs to a node I was going to and harvests it right before me. This is something that would annoy me. I wanted that node. Their gameplay is directly impacting my experience. But they had every right to play the game their way and their way lead them to that node 0.5 seconds faster than mine did. It's not bullying or harassment that they took the node lol.
Alright let's go a step further. I tell them "hey stop farming here you're ruining my farming time and aggrevating me". Would anyone consider it bullying or harassment if they continued farming? Of course not lol. They have just as much right to play their game as I do mine. They don't have to run their time running to a new spot just because I'm upset. I do not own every node in Crag
Alright another step further. We start running the same route and ends up following me around farming nodes I want. I'd be very annoyed at this point. Still not bullying or harassment lol. That's their route as much as it is mine
Another step. That guy or girl is annoyed I had the audacity to assume I had the right to these nodes and deliberately follows me to grab nodes. And yet they still have every right to any node they find no matter how much it aggrevates me.
And it's still not harassment or bullying lol. Would me asking them to stop what they're doing for the sole reason that I'm there be a bit entitled and snooty? Yes. Is them following me around because I annoyed them a bit childish? Yes. Is it a ban worthy offense like harassment? In what world? Absolutely not lol.
The developers themselves acknowledge it as harassment. The difference between farming and mudballing the same person over and over is that farming is gameplay outside of interacting with that person. They don't have a right to claim a public space as their own. They do have a right to their own purely personal interactions with others to be their own. And you don't get to set the emotional boundaries of others.
Mudballing is only interacting with that person. You don't have a right to repeatedly force someone to engage in irritating dialogue with you irl or in-game. It's bullying. And if you cannot see that, then you may find yourself on the wrong side of an in-game ban or irl a public nuisance fine.
Just like IRL you can't tell someone "don't shop in the same store as me" merely because you don't like them but you do have a right to end communication with any individual of your choosing.Edited by spartaxoxo on March 31, 2021 7:41PM2 -
ANGEL_BtVS✭✭✭✭InaMoonlight wrote: »Or maybe it's just some poor soul having an awful day filled with taking "mud" from people...
Not whomever you picture deserving, I'd apologize, and I do whenever it happens, most find it funny, but I'm not dumber then I can understand some might not for whatever reasons they might have.
"Mud on the face reminds us that life is not always so self-important..."
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✭✭✭✭✭Three things about Pie King:
1. If you tell me to stop throwing pies at you, I will. Pie King is first and foremost a gentleman.
2. If you DON'T tell me to stop, there are always more pies where the first one came from. ALWAYS.
3. HUZZAH!!!ALL HAIL SNUGGLORR THE MAGNIFICENT, KING OF THE RNG AND NIRN'S ONE TRUE GOD! Also, become a Scrub-scriber! SJ Scrubs: Playing games badly to make you feel better about yourself.5 -
coop500✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭... Is this really a problem? I think it's fun for a player to actually see me and decide I'm worth the 2 seconds of throwing something at lol.
I mean think about it, how many players do we see that we just ZIP BY without a care or a second thought?
A pie/mudball to the face is a second thought and it doesn't do anything negative to me.Hoping for more playable races2 -
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Iarao✭✭✭✭marshill88 wrote: »I love throwing pies at people. It is my enjoyment, the game allows it, and I'm going to pie you. If you look like a grumpy RP'er, I'll probably pie you twice. I understand for some people they absolutely hate it, then i propose an idea for Zenimax:
- Place a toggle in settings or a free or low cost utility character-bound scroll from the store that toggles your ability throw pies. This scroll can be used only once every 24 hours and can't be purchased if you already have one in your inventory.
- Once used, your character will permanently be toggled until you reuse another scroll (but you have to wait 24 hours before you can).
- If your toggle is set to OFF, then you cannot have pies thrown at you, nor can you throw pies at other players.
- The 24 hour time limit is to prevent exploits...i.e. someone throws pies...toggles themselves to prevent return fire, then untoggles to throw again.
no scroll; toggle like dueling; but for 24hrs.0 -
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