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If you threw a pie/mud in someone's face and they got angry...
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Tesman85✭✭✭✭
There's throwing pies & throwing pies to harass/stop others doing something (like using an outfit station, harvesting, looting or unlocking a chast etc..)
Exactly! I just read an earlier thread about this, and there were these same bad-faith arguments as in the message you quoted, and more. It is astounding how some people don't want to understand the difference. There's good fun and there's harassment and the line between isn't really that hard to see. Basically: Throwing an occasional pie/mudball at someone just standing around or passing by = OK in most cases; going around purposefully hindering other people's gameplay with the things = not OK.
Edited by Tesman85 on March 31, 2021 1:28PM2 -
Eedat✭✭✭✭✭
There's throwing pies & throwing pies to harass/stop others doing something (like using an outfit station, harvesting, looting or unlocking a chast etc..)
Exactly! I just read an earlier thread about this, and there were these same bad-faith arguments as in the message you quoted, and more. It is astounding how some people don't want to understand the difference. There's good fun and there's harassment and the line between isn't really that hard to see. Basically: Throwing an occasional pie/mudball at someone just standing around or passing by = OK in most cases; going around purposefully hindering other people's gameplay with the things = not OK.
But you can still use stations after you're mudballed? Last I heard you can't even mudball someone who is actively using an outfit or crafting station. I'd check now but I'm at work.
Personally I think calling getting mudballed in a video game "harassment" is a pretty bad faith argument. A crazy overexagerration or overreaction at best. It's literally pixels changing colors for a few seconds lolEdited by Eedat on March 31, 2021 1:39PM2 -
Tesman85✭✭✭✭But you can still use stations after you're mudballed? Last I heard you can't even mudball someone who is actively using an outfit or crafting station. I'd check now but I'm at work.
Personally I think calling getting mudballed in a video game "harassment" is a pretty bad faith argument. A crazy overexagerration or overreaction at best. It's literally pixels changing colors for a few seconds lol
It's about the intent and amount. Are you seriously suggesting that it's normal or acceptable to e.g. follow someone around for a long time and repeatedly mudball them, even if they say that they don't like it? Or do that to annoy people who are obviously RPing? In those cases there is a clear intent to annoy the person, so yes, it is harassment. Much like if you followed someone around in RL and shouted some word at them over and over. I also would find doing those kinds of things a bit unhinged, whether in RL or in Internet. The actual harm done is negligible, yes, but it prevents the other one enjoying what he is doing. Civil behaviour is civil behaviour both online and offline. Not hard to understand.
Edited by Tesman85 on March 31, 2021 1:51PM4 -
Snowstrider✭✭✭✭✭Snowstrider wrote: »It depends.
If they go around questing and shopping, being thrown mud/pie is mostly irrelevant. I personnaly don't give a damn.
BUT
If they are roleplaying and you throw a pie? Then, you're the bad person, not them, since they don't go around wrecking your playstyle. Throwing pies in that case is griefing, and should be reported.
PSA : throw pies, but think before you do !
What if I also roleplay a character that loves to throw pies at people?
There's throwing pies & throwing pies to harass/stop others doing something (like using an outfit station, harvesting, looting or unlocking a chest etc..)
Really? It stops people from doing stuff? Didnt know that.. now i know why people are bothered by it0 -
Integral1900✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Those two items are the worst mistake this game ever made. They exist for one reason and one reason only. To allow nasty little trolls to make other people miserable, like those foul tempered little node farmers Who go berserk because a character lumbering along in heavy armour without running just happens to reach a node before they see Captain Hurry boots. If I knew the nasty little sprite wanted it I’d let them have it, and yet they show the fit of pique by making my character look hideous while dancing around waving it’s arms. I do not see how this is fair!
I have social anxiety, a side-effect of my working life and upbringing. Consequences of a school that did not believe bullying existed. Of course they had to believe when I came back from hospital. When anxiety flares it’s like going insane and before I saw a psychotherapist I was quite convinced that I was losing my proverbial marbles. I enjoy this game because generally speaking people cannot interfere with me. The game is too big for them to be a problem and in town, well, I don’t spend long enough there anyway.
But these pies and such just make me want to reach to the screen and punch people
Doing my writs yesterday in an otherwise quiet corner of the world I was hit with nine of these stupid things in a matter of minutes. Why in the name of sanity can we not opt out of this tormenting nonsense!
There are very few things that make me want to stop playing this game, but these two items might be enough to do it!3 -
KalyanLazair✭✭✭✭
There's throwing pies & throwing pies to harass/stop others doing something (like using an outfit station, harvesting, looting or unlocking a chast etc..)
Exactly! I just read an earlier thread about this, and there were these same bad-faith arguments as in the message you quoted, and more. It is astounding how some people don't want to understand the difference. There's good fun and there's harassment and the line between isn't really that hard to see. Basically: Throwing an occasional pie/mudball at someone just standing around or passing by = OK in most cases; going around purposefully hindering other people's gameplay with the things = not OK.
But you can still use stations after you're mudballed? Last I heard you can't even mudball someone who is actively using an outfit or crafting station. I'd check now but I'm at work.
Personally I think calling getting mudballed in a video game "harassment" is a pretty bad faith argument. A crazy overexagerration or overreaction at best. It's literally pixels changing colors for a few seconds lol
One mudball is not harassment. Having the same person pelt you with mudballs 15 minutes straight in order to *** you off is. We should not go to either extreme. Getting pissed at a random mudball doesn't make a lot of sense. However, being followed through a delve by someone that won't stop tossing mudballs at you should be adressed as an attempt to ruin your gaming experience. It doesn't bother me, the best you can do is ignore them, they'll eventually get bored and leave. But just because that is the best approach, doesn't mean it is acceptable behavior as it does indeed cause annoyance in other players and the main goal from the harasser is precisely that, to cause annoyance or distress (not to have fun with you, but at your expense).0 -
SilverBride✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Throwing mudballs or pies should be kept among friends because you don't know how a random player will perceive it.
In real life you may sneak up on your friend and yell "boo" as a joke, but you would have enough common sense not to do this to a stranger.
It's no different here.PCNA0 -
marshill88✭✭✭✭I love throwing pies at people. It is my enjoyment, the game allows it, and I'm going to pie you. If you look like a grumpy RP'er, I'll probably pie you twice. I understand for some people they absolutely hate it, then i propose an idea for Zenimax:
- Place a toggle in settings or a free or low cost utility character-bound scroll from the store that toggles your ability throw pies. This scroll can be used only once every 24 hours and can't be purchased if you already have one in your inventory.
- Once used, your character will permanently be toggled until you reuse another scroll (but you have to wait 24 hours before you can).
- If your toggle is set to OFF, then you cannot have pies thrown at you, nor can you throw pies at other players.
- The 24 hour time limit is to prevent exploits...i.e. someone throws pies...toggles themselves to prevent return fire, then untoggles to throw again.
Edited by marshill88 on March 31, 2021 4:16PM0 -
Eedat✭✭✭✭✭But you can still use stations after you're mudballed? Last I heard you can't even mudball someone who is actively using an outfit or crafting station. I'd check now but I'm at work.
Personally I think calling getting mudballed in a video game "harassment" is a pretty bad faith argument. A crazy overexagerration or overreaction at best. It's literally pixels changing colors for a few seconds lol
It's about the intent and amount. Are you seriously suggesting that it's normal or acceptable to e.g. follow someone around for a long time and repeatedly mudball them, even if they say that they don't like it? Or do that to annoy people who are obviously RPing? In those cases there is a clear intent to annoy the person, so yes, it is harassment. Much like if you followed someone around in RL and shouted some word at them over and over. I also would find doing those kinds of things a bit unhinged, whether in RL or in Internet. The actual harm done is negligible, yes, but it prevents the other one enjoying what he is doing. Civil behaviour is civil behaviour both online and offline. Not hard to understand.
Except it's not RL and as proof I submit the fact that you literally have the option to teleport to the other side of the continent in seconds lol. Or walk up to a crafting to instantly stop them. Or press H and walk away.
And you want to say others are putting forth bad faith arguments? You are putting forth arguments that arent even factually correct. You can't be pelted by mudballs at stations. It happens all the time on these boards were people blatantly fabricate customized worst case scenarios to fit their argument and insist they're normal and happen all the time. It's always a breath of fresh air when they overlooked something and can be proven wrong.
Even if there were somehow 'damages', it wouldn't even be to you. If you've read the ToS you agreed to then you'd know all content, characters, items, etc (yes, even the ones you buy with crowns) are sole property of ZOS.
But it's not any of that anyway. It's people using a function in a game as it was intended. There are literally achievements for doing it lol. I'm trying my hardest and it's still absolutely mind boggling that people truly get angry over getting hit with mudballs in a video game. It's absolutely crazy to me. I think there are a lot of people that need to learn to chill out and stop taking every interaction in a video game as a personal attack on them.
If you want to RP with no interruptions, the blatantly obvious answer is to not play a game where thousands of random players all around you. They aren't required to play by your standards and you aren't required to play by theirs.2 -
Tesman85✭✭✭✭If you want to RP with no interruptions, the blatantly obvious answer is to not play a game where thousands of random players all around you. They aren't required to play by your standards and you aren't required to play by theirs.
If you would have read my earlier posts, you would have seen that I'm okay with occasional mudballs/pies/whatever. It's actually the obsession some people exhibit about their "right" to annoy other people without reason and the assumption that the other person should just suck it up or leave that makes me angry. If it wasn't mudballs, it would be something else. And no, online environment doesn't make a difference. But, it is useless to argue with people to whom basic manners are incomprehensible so I'll stop this here.
Oh, BTW: I'm not an RPer really, I used it just as an example.0 -
Eedat✭✭✭✭✭Snowstrider wrote: »Snowstrider wrote: »It depends.
If they go around questing and shopping, being thrown mud/pie is mostly irrelevant. I personnaly don't give a damn.
BUT
If they are roleplaying and you throw a pie? Then, you're the bad person, not them, since they don't go around wrecking your playstyle. Throwing pies in that case is griefing, and should be reported.
PSA : throw pies, but think before you do !
What if I also roleplay a character that loves to throw pies at people?
There's throwing pies & throwing pies to harass/stop others doing something (like using an outfit station, harvesting, looting or unlocking a chest etc..)
Really? It stops people from doing stuff? Didnt know that.. now i know why people are bothered by itIf you want to RP with no interruptions, the blatantly obvious answer is to not play a game where thousands of random players all around you. They aren't required to play by your standards and you aren't required to play by theirs.
If you would have read my earlier posts, you would have seen that I'm okay with occasional mudballs/pies/whatever. It's actually the obsession some people exhibit about their "right" to annoy other people without reason and the assumption that the other person should just suck it up or leave that makes me angry. If it wasn't mudballs, it would be something else. And no, online environment doesn't make a difference. But, it is useless to argue with people to whom basic manners are incomprehensible so I'll stop this here.
Oh, BTW: I'm not an RPer really, I used it just as an example.
I think you are confusing someone disagreeing with you and pointing out holes in an argument as being bad mannered. Again, I think people need to stop taking every interaction as a personal attack. I attacked your argument, not you.
I was offering legitimate advice btw. People aren't going to get a perfect RP experience in an MMO. It just flat out isn't going to happen. I'm not going to get my perfect experience either. There seems to be a lot of people that get legitimately furious that everything isn't catered to their personal whim. I suggest for people who can't handle the tradeoffs to try a single player game. You can remain in TES universe with modded Skyrim. The modding community is still going strong after all these years and you can customize a world to one's exact preferences.Edited by Eedat on March 31, 2021 5:29PM1 -
KalyanLazair✭✭✭✭TequilaFire wrote: »I thought this was a game, my bad. lol
So is soccer or Monopoli, but that doesn't justify forgetting basic social norms.
And note that I'm stating we shouldn't go to either extreme. Tormenting a player and ruining their experience is as bad, if not worse, than being annoyed by someone playing a lute. Actually, it is worse because the person playing the lute is likely doing it because they like the emote (I do). The person pelting another user for minutes on end with mudballs is aware that they're going to annoy that player, and yet they decide to engage in such activity only to cause someone else distress, annoyance or to ruin their gaming experience when they were just minding their own business.
I don't have an issue with a random ball, I will likely even laugh at it. I will not react to harassers pelting me with balls, but not because it is acceptable but because it will give them what they want and I will not give them that pleasure.0 -
SilverBride✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭It's amazing to me how many players try to justify being a bully by saying "It's just a game".PCNA4 -
Tesman85✭✭✭✭I think you are confusing someone disagreeing with you and pointing out holes in an argument as being bad mannered. Again, I think people need to stop taking every interaction as a personal attack. I attacked your argument, not you.
I was offering legitimate advice btw. People aren't going to get a perfect RP experience in an MMO. It just flat out isn't going to happen. I'm not going to get my perfect experience either. There seems to be a lot of people that get legitimately furious that everything isn't catered to their personal whim. I suggest for people who can't handle the tradeoffs to try a single player game. You can remain in TES universe with modded Skyrim. The modding community is still going strong after all these years and you can customize a world to one's exact preferences.
For basic manners, I meant that one shouldn't annoy others needlessly, no matter if the venue is a game or real life. Disagreeing with me is fine, of course. Reading my text again, I did get a bit too heated, for which I apologize. I shouldn't argue on the internet when tired.
We seem to agree on one thing, at least, in that an MMO can't be a perfect RPG. Fortunately ESO does a very fine job about it, but the multiplayer does set constraints (for one, I would love a "hide shoulder armor"-mod or some retextures, but that's not going to happen). On the other hand, it does have its good points, too, so it kind of evens out. Skyrim isn't an option for me anymore, sadly. As much as I love the game, I've just played it so much I grow very quickly bored with it.
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NotaDaedraWorshipper✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Ah, and just like in previous discussions like this the comments who support or excuse harassment appears.
How can it be so difficult to understand not to be a ******bag? No it doesn't matter that it's "jUsT a GaMe AnD pIxEls". It's another person there and you are deliberately trying to ruin their game experience.
Throwing a single or so mudball/pie at someone is fine, but when someone does it over and over again despite the other person have asked you to stop, then it is harassment.
Roleplayers often have the worst, because of some reason a lot of people really like to harass them in an MMORPG.
The number of comments I've seen on this forum throughout my time here with excused harassment towards them, stereotyping and misconceptions is utterly bonkers.
Which is probably why some of you rarely sees roleplayers, because when they roleplay (Yes they don't do it constantly). They are either being discreet so they don't get harassed, or they have moved into a player house to avoid the chance all together.
I'm sure someone or a group who's doing pvp wouldn't like some invincible person following them around that was able to do constant knockdown on them? Or people who are going for a trial boss, perhaps even aiming for leaderboard, have someone appearing and being able to despawn the boss over and over again.
Then we have the "They can/should just move to a different area". Do you honestly think that helps? Harassers like to follow, and besides that, why should the victim move? Why can't the other just stop and let them enjoy the game.
Just don't do things to the level of harassment, and if someone asks you to stop, then stop. It's as simple as that.Edited by NotaDaedraWorshipper on March 31, 2021 5:48PM[Lie] Of course! I don't even worship Daedra!0 -
spartaxoxo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭SilverBride wrote: »
But mudballing is part of the world of Tamriel. There is even an achievement associated with hitting people with mudballs and pies. And the game encourages you to do so.
If someone asks you to stop, you should stop. And people also should be reported for harassment if they hound someone or repeatedly try to disrupt their gameplay with harvesting nodes or engaging in anything where the mudball would clearly be disruptive like changing their outfits or whatever.
But, you also shouldn't be acting like the other extreme is acceptable either. People are gonna mudball random people because it's fun and part of the game, and it's not rude. A lot of people enjoy getting in random mudball fights with strangers. Interacting with people you don't know is part of the appeal and social aspect of the game. And a major part of why people many play MMOs. It's a game meant for socializing with people through gameplay. Rudeness comes from when your actions are disruptive to others in mmos, not in engaging in regular gameplay with people you don't know
There is certainly etiquette to follow, but no mudballing anyone you don't know isn't a reasonable expectation and isn't actually something that most would consider rude. It's perfectly reasonable to not want to be mudballed and have that wish respected. Just tell the person not to mudball you, and they should respect your wishes
Edited by spartaxoxo on March 31, 2021 5:58PM1 -
TequilaFire✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭KalyanLazair wrote: »TequilaFire wrote: »I thought this was a game, my bad. lol
So is soccer or Monopoli, but that doesn't justify forgetting basic social norms.
And note that I'm stating we shouldn't go to either extreme. Tormenting a player and ruining their experience is as bad, if not worse, than being annoyed by someone playing a lute. Actually, it is worse because the person playing the lute is likely doing it because they like the emote (I do). The person pelting another user for minutes on end with mudballs is aware that they're going to annoy that player, and yet they decide to engage in such activity only to cause someone else distress, annoyance or to ruin their gaming experience when they were just minding their own business.
I don't have an issue with a random ball, I will likely even laugh at it. I will not react to harassers pelting me with balls, but not because it is acceptable but because it will give them what they want and I will not give them that pleasure.
NVMEdited by TequilaFire on March 31, 2021 6:05PM0 -
Eedat✭✭✭✭✭SilverBride wrote: »It's amazing to me how many players try to justify being a bully by saying "It's just a game".
It's not bullying lol. I could write a long list of things that really annoy me and none of it would be considered bullying. None of which dictates how other have to play either. It's literally using a feature as intended to change the color of some pixels temporarily. You're just calling it that to make it sound way worse than it really is and to pretend that this is a moral issue which it isn't lol. It's pixels changing color on a screen. Essentially over exaggerating for affect.2 -
spartaxoxo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭SilverBride wrote: »It's amazing to me how many players try to justify being a bully by saying "It's just a game".
It's not bullying lol. I could write a long list of things that really annoy me and none of it would be considered bullying. None of which dictates how other have to play either. It's literally using a feature as intended to change the color of some pixels temporarily. You're just calling it that to make it sound way worse than it really is and to pretend that this is a moral issue which it isn't lol. It's pixels changing color on a screen. Essentially over exaggerating for affect.
It's not about the effect of the pie, but the intent of the pie throwerer. Following someone around doing something you know aggravates them is harassment. And harassment can reasonably be described as bullying.
If someone asks you to stop, then you stop. It's that simple. There are plenty of other people you can target.
Pie throwing can be bullyingEdited by spartaxoxo on March 31, 2021 6:13PM2 -
SilverBride✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭spartaxoxo wrote: »People are gonna mudball random people because it's fun and part of the game, and it's not rude.
Fun for who? I am not a fan of pranks in real life, and would never be friends with anyone who is a prankster. And yes, it is extremely rude. But in game I'm more lenient.
I just brush it off if I get hit by a random mudball when I'm running through town. But I've also been harassed by repeated mudballs from someone trying to disrupt me from opening a lockbox. And I had a friend who constantly threw things at me every time we got together in game, despite me asking them to stop.
In my opinion the player who feels the need to disrupt some strangers play is in the wrong. Enjoy your "fun" with your friends who also enjoy it.PCNA1 -
spartaxoxo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭SilverBride wrote: »Fun for who? I am not a fan of pranks in real life, and would never be friends with anyone who is a prankster. And yes, it is extremely rude. But in game I'm more lenient.
For people who are not you. "Random strangers" is nearly the entirery of the in-game world. You cannot expect them to know your opinion nor share it. You can expect them to respect your wishes when you make them known. But telling people it's rude to play the game the way it was intended because you personally hate pranks and pranksters is too much. There is an entire festival dedicated to celebrating this in this game, it's part of the accepted social aspect of the game that we all agree to just by playing it. You can opt out of any gameplay you don't like, but it's too much to ask that others also opt out of it and don't engage with an intended gameplay function (pelting strangers).SilverBride wrote: »I just brush it off if I get hit by a random mudball when I'm running through town. But I've also been harassed by repeated mudballs from someone trying to disrupt me from opening a lockbox. And I had a friend who constantly threw things at me every time we got together in game, despite me asking them to stop.
A friend who will not respect your boundaries is not your friend. I agree that harassment is not okay, and I'd actually go so far as to say if you ask them to stop and they keep going to irritate you that it should be a bannable offense. I only take issue with your statement that it's rude to mudball strangers at all.
I think that environment we're in should be considered when evaluating expected social behavior. Not everything we find annoying is rude. One of the reasons many people play MMOs is to socialize with people they do not know through regular gameplay. And it's important to acknowledge the difference between actions that are intended gameplay that we find annoying, and actions that are genuinely disruptive. People aren't being rude for playing rhe game in a way you don't like, and it's inherent to the genre that you'll have gameplay interactions with strangers. So someone engaging in normal gameplay with strangers isn't being rude. It's not the same environment as walking down the streets.
Both extreme stances are wrong, imo. And you should be asking for a toggle not denoucing other players for playing the game as it's intended to be played.Edited by spartaxoxo on March 31, 2021 6:36PM2 -
Neriak✭✭✭I've been farming bosses in public dungeon recently and you know how it goes, sometimes a low lvl char or newbie player just follows you around for some XP and loot. No problem. But this time a pie prankster followed me and every time we had to wait 30-60 sec for a boss to spawn, he threw a damn pie at me, because you know, this prank never gets old, even after doing it 50 times, am I right?
My only issue with pies and mud is that the animation is way too long, 2-3 sec would be more than enough. Throw your pies, enjoy 3-sec animation, I have no problem with it. But as of now, these animations are too long and annoying.Energy powers future motion.
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VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭ZOS was pretty clear that if someone asks you to stop spamming emotes at them, you should stop.
I'm more inclined to throw back in good spirits, and if that means stopping for a minute of mudflinging before I go on my merry way, so be it.0 -
SilverBride✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭spartaxoxo wrote: »"Random strangers" is nearly the entirery of the in-game world. You cannot expect them to know your opinion nor share it.
That is why you don't just come up to a random stranger and do something invasive to their character. Because by your own words, "You cannot expect them to know your opinion nor share it."
It's always the best thing to err on the side of caution. If you don't know whether or not someone will be offended by something you do to their character... don't do it.PCNA1 -
spartaxoxo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »ZOS was pretty clear that if someone asks you to stop spamming emotes at them, you should stop.
I'm more inclined to throw back in good spirits, and if that means stopping for a minute of mudflinging before I go on my merry way, so be it.
That's my attitude too. I actually enjoy the occasional spontaneous emote session with random people. A mudball fight, a dance session, an improptu concert, the occasional parkour. It can be fun, especially when we're all waiting for a boss to spawn or something.3 -
spartaxoxo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭SilverBride wrote: »spartaxoxo wrote: »"Random strangers" is nearly the entirery of the in-game world. You cannot expect them to know your opinion nor share it.
That is why you don't just come up to a random stranger and do something invasive to their character. Because by your own words, "You cannot expect them to know your opinion nor share it."
It's always the best thing to err on the side of caution. If you don't know whether or not someone will be offended by something you do to their character... don't do it.
It's not "something invasive" it's an intended and celebrated gameplay mechanic by the developers. When you choose to play an MMO, you're signing up to play with strangers. Sometimes that means they'll look to do something with you that you don’t like. It's only rude if they ignore you don't like it, it's not rude to try and engage you in the first place.
Emoting with strangers has been an accepted social norm of MMOs for decades.Edited by spartaxoxo on March 31, 2021 6:52PM1 -
SilverBride✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭spartaxoxo wrote: »It's only rude if they ignore you don't like it, it's not rude to try and engage you in the first place.
Emoting with strangers has been an accepted social norm of MMOs for decades.
I don't like it, so to me it's rude.
Also, emoting is very different from interacting with someone else's character.PCNA0 -
spartaxoxo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭SilverBride wrote: »spartaxoxo wrote: »It's only rude if they ignore you don't like it, it's not rude to try and engage you in the first place.
Emoting with strangers has been an accepted social norm of MMOs for decades.
I don't like it, so to me it's rude.
Also, emoting is very different from interacting with someone else's character.
Your personal taste doesn't dictate what is rude or not. Social norms and your environment are supposed to also supposed to be taking into account.
I actually find it quite rude that you're calling it rude. I wouldn't go to a public basketball court and when someone tossed me a ball and asked me to play, tell them off for not only playing basketball with friends when I only wanted to watch. I would acknowledge they are trying to be nice, and politely decline. If I were a vegetarian, I wouldn't go a burger joint that served salads and proclaim the cashier rude for asking me if I'd like to try their special, because I find eating meat offensive.
You are choosing to play an MMO where hitting random people with mudballs is not only the accepted social norm, but celebrated and rewarded by the developers of the game. Shaming people for engaging in normal and encouraged gameplay that people are sometimes specifically there to do (e.g. someone getting the achievement for the Jesters festival) because it doesn't cater to your personal tastes is what I would consider rude, personally.
You should show others the same respect that you want from them, and not shame them for normal gameplay by treating the same as actually rude people and bullies, imo.Edited by spartaxoxo on March 31, 2021 7:22PM3
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