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If you threw a pie/mud in someone's face and they got angry...
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Araneae6537✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I don’t like throwing pies or mudballs at people but am not bothered by it myself unless it were to become excessive, which thankfully I have not experienced. During New Life I do throw mudballs, but just in the Skywatch quest area where pretty much everyone is there for the purpose.
This event I enjoyed showering people with petals though — it feels a much nicer thing and I certainly don’t chase or troll anyone even with that. It brought a smile to my face and hope it did to the other players as well!
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spartaxoxo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭It depends.
If they go around questing and shopping, being thrown mud/pie is mostly irrelevant. I personnaly don't give a damn.
BUT
If they are roleplaying and you throw a pie? Then, you're the bad person, not them, since they don't go around wrecking your playstyle. Throwing pies in that case is griefing, and should be reported.
PSA : throw pies, but think before you do !
How is someone supposed to know you're roleplaying? They typically aren't inconsiderate enough to be doing their talking in public chats. And if they are interacting with the public, why shouldn't the public be able to interact back?
I think following someone around too much or keep doing after they ask you to stop is one thing, but being banned because someone was doing some specific activity is too much.Edited by spartaxoxo on March 30, 2021 6:10PM2 -
cynicalbutterfly✭✭✭✭I never heard a complaint from my newly pied victims but if I did upset anyone, I apologize that I picked you to throw a pie at to finish the acheivement. I would also apologize to the guards but they already took my gold to pay for the bounty. It was well worth the amusement and that sweet face marking though.0 -
Tandor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭spartaxoxo wrote: »It depends.
If they go around questing and shopping, being thrown mud/pie is mostly irrelevant. I personnaly don't give a damn.
BUT
If they are roleplaying and you throw a pie? Then, you're the bad person, not them, since they don't go around wrecking your playstyle. Throwing pies in that case is griefing, and should be reported.
PSA : throw pies, but think before you do !
How is someone supposed to know you're roleplaying? They typically aren't inconsiderate enough to be doing their talking in public chats. And if they are interacting with the public, why shouldn't the public be able to interact back?
I think following someone around too much or keep doing after they ask you to stop is one thing, but being banned because someone was doing some specific activity is too much.
I suspect that most pie/mud throwing takes place outdoors, and the fact that someone is walking is usually a clear sign that they're role-playing (and also makes them an obvious target for those so inclined). That's just one example.0 -
spartaxoxo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭spartaxoxo wrote: »It depends.
If they go around questing and shopping, being thrown mud/pie is mostly irrelevant. I personnaly don't give a damn.
BUT
If they are roleplaying and you throw a pie? Then, you're the bad person, not them, since they don't go around wrecking your playstyle. Throwing pies in that case is griefing, and should be reported.
PSA : throw pies, but think before you do !
How is someone supposed to know you're roleplaying? They typically aren't inconsiderate enough to be doing their talking in public chats. And if they are interacting with the public, why shouldn't the public be able to interact back?
I think following someone around too much or keep doing after they ask you to stop is one thing, but being banned because someone was doing some specific activity is too much.
I suspect that most pie/mud throwing takes place outdoors, and the fact that someone is walking is usually a clear sign that they're role-playing (and also makes them an obvious target for those so inclined). That's just one example.
Maybe because I am on console, but people will just walk or play songs all the time without roleplaying. Like I know I do. You get bored waiting on dps queues and sometimes your in-city tasks are over long before your queue pops. So you'll chat in guild while doing random stuff with your character like hopping around.
Most roleplayers here chat in guild chat and go to secluded areas or inns, but even then if you're not in their group they can easily be mistaken for questers or people having some guild event..
I can honestly count on one hand the number of times I have run into a group of players that were obviously roleplaying. And I am in a guild with some roleplayers. I actually met the guild master by mudballing someone they were roleplaying with at the beachEdited by spartaxoxo on March 30, 2021 6:17PM0 -
cynicalbutterfly✭✭✭✭spartaxoxo wrote: »spartaxoxo wrote: »It depends.
If they go around questing and shopping, being thrown mud/pie is mostly irrelevant. I personnaly don't give a damn.
BUT
If they are roleplaying and you throw a pie? Then, you're the bad person, not them, since they don't go around wrecking your playstyle. Throwing pies in that case is griefing, and should be reported.
PSA : throw pies, but think before you do !
How is someone supposed to know you're roleplaying? They typically aren't inconsiderate enough to be doing their talking in public chats. And if they are interacting with the public, why shouldn't the public be able to interact back?
I think following someone around too much or keep doing after they ask you to stop is one thing, but being banned because someone was doing some specific activity is too much.
I suspect that most pie/mud throwing takes place outdoors, and the fact that someone is walking is usually a clear sign that they're role-playing (and also makes them an obvious target for those so inclined). That's just one example.
Maybe because I am on console, but people will just walk or play songs all the time without roleplaying. Like I know I do. You get bored waiting on dps queues and sometimes your in-city tasks are over long before your queue pops. So you'll chat in guild while doing random stuff with your character like hopping around.
Most roleplayers here chat in guild chat and go to secluded areas or inns, but even then if you're not in their group they can easily be mistaken for questers or people having some guild event..
I can honestly count on one hand the number of times I have run into a group of players that were obviously roleplaying.
I have yet to ever come across a roleplayer group. They seem pretty good at keeping their activities on the down low on PS4.2 -
rrimöykk✭✭✭✭✭Why would I feel bad about throwing those when it is allowed and encouraged by ZOS?
I throw them when I want and frankly do not care if you are questing, fishing, roleplaying, dueling or fighting a hm trial boss.
It is for fun.
[snip]
[edited for baiting]Edited by ZOS_Lunar on March 31, 2021 12:22PM0 -
spartaxoxo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭cynicalbutterfly wrote: »spartaxoxo wrote: »spartaxoxo wrote: »It depends.
If they go around questing and shopping, being thrown mud/pie is mostly irrelevant. I personnaly don't give a damn.
BUT
If they are roleplaying and you throw a pie? Then, you're the bad person, not them, since they don't go around wrecking your playstyle. Throwing pies in that case is griefing, and should be reported.
PSA : throw pies, but think before you do !
How is someone supposed to know you're roleplaying? They typically aren't inconsiderate enough to be doing their talking in public chats. And if they are interacting with the public, why shouldn't the public be able to interact back?
I think following someone around too much or keep doing after they ask you to stop is one thing, but being banned because someone was doing some specific activity is too much.
I suspect that most pie/mud throwing takes place outdoors, and the fact that someone is walking is usually a clear sign that they're role-playing (and also makes them an obvious target for those so inclined). That's just one example.
Maybe because I am on console, but people will just walk or play songs all the time without roleplaying. Like I know I do. You get bored waiting on dps queues and sometimes your in-city tasks are over long before your queue pops. So you'll chat in guild while doing random stuff with your character like hopping around.
Most roleplayers here chat in guild chat and go to secluded areas or inns, but even then if you're not in their group they can easily be mistaken for questers or people having some guild event..
I can honestly count on one hand the number of times I have run into a group of players that were obviously roleplaying.
I have yet to ever come across a roleplayer group. They seem pretty good at keeping their activities on the down low on PS4.
You actually probably have. I don't roleplay myself but they tend to be deliberately discreet, at least on ps4 from my own personal experience. They don't use public chat and can often be indistinguishable from questers. They do that for two reasons, they don't want to spam public chat channels. And they don't want jackwagons being overly intrusive in their roleplaying. They tend to not mind minor interruptions from the occasional straggler who didn't know better but hate the people who insist on being jerks about it.Edited by spartaxoxo on March 30, 2021 6:30PM0 -
Smitch_59✭✭✭✭✭I'm play on Xbox, both servers. I've been hit with many, many pies on the EU server during this event, but I don't recall being pied even once on the NA server since this event started. I draw no conclusions from this, I only mention it because I found it an interesting observation.By Azura, by Azura, by Azura!0 -
Ecileh71✭✭✭It depends.
If they are roleplaying and you throw a pie? Then, you're the bad person, not them, since they don't go around wrecking your playstyle. Throwing pies in that case is griefing, and should be reported.
PSA : throw pies, but think before you do !
Genuinely curious here: how are other players supposed to know when someone is role playing versus just playing the game?
Well, they talk, usually. And in character. They also describe what they are doing.
(IE : Greetings, my fair lady *waves hand, smiling*)
They are fairly easy to spot.
Talk...like voice chat talk? Or talking in zone chat on text mode? I don't ever have voice chat on unless I am in a trial with guildies and I can honestly say I don't think I have EVER seen anyone zone chatting (via text) in a manner to make me wonder if they are roleplaying.
Or is this another PC add on that us console players don't have? All I know is what the game shows me when I am playing. I am not one to throw mudballs or pies or whatever anyway, but I literally have no idea if the guy next to me at the dolmen is in the middle of the deepest RPG ever, or just killing time.
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JKorr✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭During the events, its part of it and to be expected.
When someone is at the outfit station? Yeah, not so much. Constant stream of mud balls to trigger the "stop, wipe hands down outfit and shake off mud" animation? Again, no. [snip]
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robertthebard✭✭✭✭✭Wait, I'm supposed to be angry about that? At least, being on the receiving end. Last time I was in something like this, "They started it"... heh. Seriously though, they hit me, I hit them, and it was on, running through whichever town it was we were in, pelting away. I think some innocent bystanders got involved at one point, because it was suddenly like teams.0 -
Lixiviant✭✭✭✭✭Just part of the event - having fun. Now, I DO take exception to getting pelted every time I'm trying to grab a node and that player thinks it is funny to run in and collect it.0 -
renne✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭spartaxoxo wrote: »It depends.
If they go around questing and shopping, being thrown mud/pie is mostly irrelevant. I personnaly don't give a damn.
BUT
If they are roleplaying and you throw a pie? Then, you're the bad person, not them, since they don't go around wrecking your playstyle. Throwing pies in that case is griefing, and should be reported.
PSA : throw pies, but think before you do !
How is someone supposed to know you're roleplaying? They typically aren't inconsiderate enough to be doing their talking in public chats. And if they are interacting with the public, why shouldn't the public be able to interact back?
I think following someone around too much or keep doing after they ask you to stop is one thing, but being banned because someone was doing some specific activity is too much.
I suspect that most pie/mud throwing takes place outdoors, and the fact that someone is walking is usually a clear sign that they're role-playing (and also makes them an obvious target for those so inclined). That's just one example.
What if someone else's roleplaying is throwing pies at you because it's the Jester's Festival? They're just roleplaying too.3 -
FluffWit✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭On ps4 I parked myself at the first wayshrine in Summerset within minutes of the servers going live after that dlc was released and mud balled everyone as they arrived to begin their new adventure.... there were so many girls in ballgowns 😅1 -
radiostar✭✭✭✭✭
✭If you're at the outfit station, report it to Z"Billions upon Billions of Stars"0 -
dem0n1k✭✭✭✭✭
✭If only defensive posture reflected mudballs & pies !
Oh the joy !
I was going to say 'wings' but then I got sad
NA Server [PC] -- Mostly Ebonheart Pact, Mostly.0 -
Tesman85✭✭✭✭I don't understand the rage some people exhibit over this. Is pie/mudball throwing juvenile? Yes. Is it silly? Yes, also. But that's sort of the point during festival times. They are supposed to be like the carnival, after all.
Outside the event, it's somewhat different. Targeting someone repeatedly and insistently for mudballing is obviously griefing, but you already can report the person for this. But the occasional pie/mudball to the face out of the blue? I at least find it mildly amusing to be on the receiving end, and see no problem whatsoever with it. Especially as it doesn't interrupt crafting and such anymore.
Could somebody who is really offended by this explain in depth, why this is a problem? Because I really struggle to see it.
In a slight tangent, I got cherry blossomed yesterday in Alinor. It was actually fun. Besides, seeing my character riding around in that wonderful city with a wreath of cherry blossoms above her head was strangely poetic, beautiful even. It was like an image out of some legend.2 -
deleted221106-002999✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭...In a slight tangent, I got cherry blossomed yesterday in Alinor. It was actually fun. Besides, seeing my character riding around in that wonderful city with a wreath of cherry blossoms above her head was strangely poetic, beautiful even. It was like an image out of some legend.
riders of the sidhe
Obviously before the storm of incoming pies & mudballs.
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rpa✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭People need to pie other players (and guards and alliance leaders) because achievements. I think only one I'm missing is the Messy Business because I'm too lazy to cheese it.0 -
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KalyanLazair✭✭✭✭Just part of the event - having fun. Now, I DO take exception to getting pelted every time I'm trying to grab a node and that player thinks it is funny to run in and collect it.
This is precisely what I stated a while ago in a similar topic. Personally I do not care about these stuff, and if you choose to follow me around pelting me with mudballs to irritate me I will ignore you. However, if it does impair functionality such as keeping you from grabbing a node, ZoS should change it so it does not interrupt any of your actions. It is one thing to be covered in mud, and a completely different one when this is used as PvP in a non PvP area in order to grab a node, because that is interfering with my gameplay.
Aside from that which I have not confirmed that it really works like that, like I said, I do not care. Someone tossed me a cake the other day, and I started using the dance emote. I actually had a lot of fun with the other guy while we waited for a WB to spawn. So these things can actually be the start of a somewhat funny interaction between players, not necessarily a source of irritation.2 -
Tesman85✭✭✭✭...In a slight tangent, I got cherry blossomed yesterday in Alinor. It was actually fun. Besides, seeing my character riding around in that wonderful city with a wreath of cherry blossoms above her head was strangely poetic, beautiful even. It was like an image out of some legend.
riders of the sidhe
Obviously before the storm of incoming pies & mudballs.
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Heh, yeah, very much in the vein of that picture, especially since my character is a High Elf.
And wonder of wonders! Nobody actually was throwing pies or mud, it was just cherry blossoms. So nothing spoiled the moment.KalyanLazair wrote: »Just part of the event - having fun. Now, I DO take exception to getting pelted every time I'm trying to grab a node and that player thinks it is funny to run in and collect it.
This is precisely what I stated a while ago in a similar topic. Personally I do not care about these stuff, and if you choose to follow me around pelting me with mudballs to irritate me I will ignore you. However, if it does impair functionality such as keeping you from grabbing a node, ZoS should change it so it does not interrupt any of your actions. It is one thing to be covered in mud, and a completely different one when this is used as PvP in a non PvP area in order to grab a node, because that is interfering with my gameplay.
Aside from that which I have not confirmed that it really works like that, like I said, I do not care. Someone tossed me a cake the other day, and I started using the dance emote. I actually had a lot of fun with the other guy while we waited for a WB to spawn. So these things can actually be the start of a somewhat funny interaction between players, not necessarily a source of irritation.
Yeah, using things meant for fun to harass others is just pathetic and infuriating. I don't get people who do that and what they get out of it.
That said, it isn't a reason to remove those things altogether. Namely, I know what you mean about the funny interaction. One time when I was waiting for a WB to spawn, there was one guy playing the lute. I made my female character to throw him a kiss, and he responded by a bow. We both were in shiny armor, so it was like some cheesy chivalric romance. Laughed pretty well for that. But I've seen people complain about these emotes (at least the lute), too.
So basically this thing is pretty many-edged. There are those who are determined to be offended by anything, those whose idea of "fun" is to harass others, and we "normals" in between. Hard to say if there even would be an ideal solution to this problem.Edited by Tesman85 on March 31, 2021 1:03PM1 -
KalyanLazair✭✭✭✭...In a slight tangent, I got cherry blossomed yesterday in Alinor. It was actually fun. Besides, seeing my character riding around in that wonderful city with a wreath of cherry blossoms above her head was strangely poetic, beautiful even. It was like an image out of some legend.
riders of the sidhe
Obviously before the storm of incoming pies & mudballs.
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Heh, yeah, very much in the vein of that picture, especially since my character is a High Elf.
And wonder of wonders! Nobody actually was throwing pies or mud, it was just cherry blossoms. So nothing spoiled the moment.KalyanLazair wrote: »Just part of the event - having fun. Now, I DO take exception to getting pelted every time I'm trying to grab a node and that player thinks it is funny to run in and collect it.
This is precisely what I stated a while ago in a similar topic. Personally I do not care about these stuff, and if you choose to follow me around pelting me with mudballs to irritate me I will ignore you. However, if it does impair functionality such as keeping you from grabbing a node, ZoS should change it so it does not interrupt any of your actions. It is one thing to be covered in mud, and a completely different one when this is used as PvP in a non PvP area in order to grab a node, because that is interfering with my gameplay.
Aside from that which I have not confirmed that it really works like that, like I said, I do not care. Someone tossed me a cake the other day, and I started using the dance emote. I actually had a lot of fun with the other guy while we waited for a WB to spawn. So these things can actually be the start of a somewhat funny interaction between players, not necessarily a source of irritation.
Yeah, using things meant for fun to harass others is just pathetic and infuriating. I don't get people who do that and what they get out of it.
That said, it isn't a reason to remove those things altogether. Namely, I know what you mean about the funny interaction. One time when I was waiting for a WB to spawn, there was one guy playing the lute. I made my female character to throw him a kiss, and he responded by a bow. We both were in shiny armor, so it was like some cheesy chivalric romance. Laughed pretty well for that. But I've seen people complain about these emotes (at least the lute), too.
So basically this thing is pretty many-edged. There are those who are determined to be offended by anything, those whose idea of "fun" is to harass others, and we "normals" in between. Hard to say if there even would be an ideal solution to this problem.
I play the lute too. I didn't know some people didn't like it. What I've seen plenty of times is people suddenly engaging with other emotes, such as drums, flutes, dancing or doing something else. I actually like those interactions.
As for the whole mudball stuff, like I said, not need to have them remove but if they do affect functionality and are used to keep you from reaching a node, then that effect (the stopping you) should be removed. The flowers, for example, cover you in petals but they don't stop you from executing any action. I do believe I've been riding around being mudballed during the New Life Festival and the action was not interrupted, but I do not know for absolute certainty that it never affects the player other than by changing the appearance for a short while.0 -
JanTanhide✭✭✭✭✭
✭Good point. I don't mind any of it at all. Been in this game so long I think I've experienced all kinds of things from other players. Heck, the only time I respond to someone is when they hate whisper me and I always reply with "Grow up". That's it.1 -
Snowstrider✭✭✭✭✭It depends.
If they go around questing and shopping, being thrown mud/pie is mostly irrelevant. I personnaly don't give a damn.
BUT
If they are roleplaying and you throw a pie? Then, you're the bad person, not them, since they don't go around wrecking your playstyle. Throwing pies in that case is griefing, and should be reported.
PSA : throw pies, but think before you do !
What if I also roleplay a character that loves to throw pies at people?5 -
Tesman85✭✭✭✭KalyanLazair wrote: »As for the whole mudball stuff, like I said, not need to have them remove but if they do affect functionality and are used to keep you from reaching a node, then that effect (the stopping you) should be removed. The flowers, for example, cover you in petals but they don't stop you from executing any action. I do believe I've been riding around being mudballed during the New Life Festival and the action was not interrupted, but I do not know for absolute certainty that it never affects the player other than by changing the appearance for a short while.
Seemingly they don't affect crafting, as I've been hit by mudballs when doing writs and the only effect was that my character was suddenly covered by mud in the craft screen. Don't know about lockpicking, nodes etc, but if the mudballs interrupt those then it is an issue that should be corrected.
As for some people not liking the lute, I've seen a few times that and some other normal emotes mentioned as annoying in different forums. It was just an example about the fringe searching for things to be offended about. I personally think the emotes and the interaction possibilities they carry give the game much of its enjoyment.
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Gythral✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Snowstrider wrote: »It depends.
If they go around questing and shopping, being thrown mud/pie is mostly irrelevant. I personnaly don't give a damn.
BUT
If they are roleplaying and you throw a pie? Then, you're the bad person, not them, since they don't go around wrecking your playstyle. Throwing pies in that case is griefing, and should be reported.
PSA : throw pies, but think before you do !
What if I also roleplay a character that loves to throw pies at people?
There's throwing pies & throwing pies to harass/stop others doing something (like using an outfit station, harvesting, looting or unlocking a chest etc..)
Edited by Gythral on March 31, 2021 1:23PM“Be as a tower, that, firmly set,
Shakes not its top for any blast that blows!”
Dante Alighieri, The Divine Comedy1
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