Even with double xp/pots - CP grind is still too much
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Luke_Flamesword✭✭✭✭✭
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Well, I play no-CP campaign on EU since long time in different hours and I don't see emptiness. There is poplock often for many hours and there will be even more people since CP changes. Probably soon we will need second noCP campaignimagine if you're a new player and want to jump in to grey host (the mostly "lively" map), it would probably feel a little discouraging...
I started playing ESO in July 2019, I never grinded levels and achieved 810 CP after year and couple months. I had a lot of fun on every stage of my character progression. Now I have 1098 CP (it was 1019 at update day) and still I don't grind, just having fun. Sometimes I will go for skyreach but one run is enough for me, so I don't call it a grind. I made maybe a 10 full runs in nBRP and farmed some nice gear (cloak daggers!). I tried couple solo runs to see how much XP you get and it's nice, but also exhausting so I don't bother with it. I still can make veteran content with current CP, so I don't feel I need more levels right now. Yes, I feel more squishy, but also have much better sustain so I just adapt to changes which is kinda refreshing. It will took probably a year to get 1800 CP, but I don't mind it - I even have some fun from leveling again (even more than it was with CP 1.0, because now we have more cool perks).
You know, this is problem with modern society - you all want everything right now and when you chase your goals, you forgot to enjoy the road. And in case of games, it's all about road, not the end...PC | EU | DC |Stam Dk Breton11 -
preevious✭✭✭✭✭
✭Since U29 landed (PC, so, been "a while"), I earned 75 CP.
I don't really have a problem with that rate, though getting to 1200 (or hell, 1800) seems like a trek.
No, my main issue is that with that 75cp .. My power did not increase at all. The next star I have to unlock to increase my efficiency in my role costs 30cp (only 1 stage).
So, I need 90cp.
All in all, the system's nice, but it's a bit disheartening to gain 75 levels and not be able to increase in power.5 -
BejaProphet✭✭✭✭✭
✭This is a bit silly. The problem is not a 3,600 cp cap. [snip] I can’t believe the number of people completely freaking out that they can’t immediately be at the cap.
The developers already proved with internal testing that 100% of the game’s content can be completed with ZERO champion points. Relax and enjoy the game. Enjoy that all your playing is meaningful because you get to either horizontally or vertically progress your character for years.
Why play a game in such a way that you make yourself miserable trying to get content done, then you are miserable for lack of content?
Take it from an older gamer. One day this game will be done and gone. Nothing about it will have mattered. So if it isn’t FUN there’s no point.
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techyeshic✭✭✭✭✭Are we supposed to grind it? I just have been playingy usual sitting close to 1200. Have all the slottables I want. The other passives just feel so minimal.
Think the point was to just give everyone a progression for those who want it without a steep power creep. Once mist get to cap, they said they can add stars.2 -
Tommy_The_Gun✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Just some feedback:
For me the main issue that "enlightenment" buff has a 24h cool-down and is not refreshed at the "start" of the day.
This leads to a scenario that I have this buff only somewhere around 18:00... So I just have to wait till that hour just to do daily quests and get better reward.... And very often I only have time to play earlier, but I do not have time to play at that (18:00 +) hour
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It would really help if "enlightenment" CP / exp buff would refresh at the hour / same time that daily quest timer resets.
@ZOS_GinaBruno
@ZOS_SarahHecker
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kringled_1✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »Just some feedback:
For me the main issue that "enlightenment" buff has a 24h cool-down and is not refreshed at the "start" of the day.
This leads to a scenario that I have this buff only somewhere around 18:00... So I just have to wait till that hour just to do daily quests and get better reward.... And very often I only have time to play earlier, but I do not have time to play at that (18:00 +) hour .
It would really help if "enlightenment" CP / exp buff would refresh at the hour / same time that daily quest timer resets.
I think the existing enlightenment timer (24 hours from the last one, starting from when your first character hit cp level) is goofy, but it doesn't really impact my game play at all. The enlightenment will accumulate to 12 days worth so as long as I'm playing regularly it gets used up whatever my schedule is.1 -
Seraphayel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭CP is a passive reward system to still earn something while doing content at max level.
CP is not meant to be rushed or grinded. It comes naturally by doing the content you’d usually do.
The problem here are the players that want to gain CP ASAP, you’re putting stress on yourself without a reason. CP, especially if you already have 1000 or more, is just a treat for you to do content.PS5EUAldmeri Dominion- Khajiit Arcanist -8 -
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✭✭Before the CP overhaul this one’s main can pretty much solo all of the pve content. Now the poor Breton is a squishy bug that gets knocked over by the slightest breeze.
But this one will not grind. The game is for fun. Enough stresses in life to add one more....1 -
McGordon✭✭✭BejaProphet wrote: »This is a bit silly. The problem is not a 3,600 cp cap. [snip] I can’t believe the number of people completely freaking out that they can’t immediately be at the cap.
The developers already proved with internal testing that 100% of the game’s content can be completed with ZERO champion points. Relax and enjoy the game. Enjoy that all your playing is meaningful because you get to either horizontally or vertically progress your character for years.
Why play a game in such a way that you make yourself miserable trying to get content done, then you are miserable for lack of content?
Take it from an older gamer. One day this game will be done and gone. Nothing about it will have mattered. So if it isn’t FUN there’s no point.
Want to see these devs in CP Cyrodill with their 0cp.Edited by ZOS_ConnorG on March 28, 2021 3:27PM2 -
jircris11✭✭✭✭✭
✭If you focus on the cp grind you will find it tough. If you simply play the game you will find that cp voes quicker. I went from 1200 to 1280 in a day of questing.IGN: Ki'rah
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DC/AD faction/NA server.
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AlnilamE✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »Just some feedback:
For me the main issue that "enlightenment" buff has a 24h cool-down and is not refreshed at the "start" of the day.
This leads to a scenario that I have this buff only somewhere around 18:00... So I just have to wait till that hour just to do daily quests and get better reward.... And very often I only have time to play earlier, but I do not have time to play at that (18:00 +) hour .
It would really help if "enlightenment" CP / exp buff would refresh at the hour / same time that daily quest timer resets.
@ZOS_GinaBruno
@ZOS_SarahHecker
Enlightenment refreshes at:
1. The exact time you first logged on to the game after the Champion System update first went live.
2. The exact time your first character turned level 50 if you first started playing after the Champion System was already live.
It's going to always be the same time (but move by an hour if your time zone has Daylight Saving/Summer Time).
Enlightenment also stacks up for 12 days (up to a max of 4.8 million XP), so if you don't have time to play one day, it's not going to disappear.The Moot Councillor2 -
BejaProphet✭✭✭✭✭
✭BejaProphet wrote: »This is a bit silly. The problem is not a 3,600 cp cap. [snip] I can’t believe the number of people completely freaking out that they can’t immediately be at the cap.
The developers already proved with internal testing that 100% of the game’s content can be completed with ZERO champion points. Relax and enjoy the game. Enjoy that all your playing is meaningful because you get to either horizontally or vertically progress your character for years.
Why play a game in such a way that you make yourself miserable trying to get content done, then you are miserable for lack of content?
Take it from an older gamer. One day this game will be done and gone. Nothing about it will have mattered. So if it isn’t FUN there’s no point.
Want to see these devs in CP Cyrodill with their 0cp.
There is an entire campaign devoted to no CP PvP.Royal Poet's Dungeon Tanking Guide https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/416797/royal-poets-guide-to-traditional-tanking-in-veteran-dungeons#latest3 -
McGordon✭✭✭BejaProphet wrote: »BejaProphet wrote: »This is a bit silly. The problem is not a 3,600 cp cap. [snip] I can’t believe the number of people completely freaking out that they can’t immediately be at the cap.
The developers already proved with internal testing that 100% of the game’s content can be completed with ZERO champion points. Relax and enjoy the game. Enjoy that all your playing is meaningful because you get to either horizontally or vertically progress your character for years.
Why play a game in such a way that you make yourself miserable trying to get content done, then you are miserable for lack of content?
Take it from an older gamer. One day this game will be done and gone. Nothing about it will have mattered. So if it isn’t FUN there’s no point.
Want to see these devs in CP Cyrodill with their 0cp.
There is an entire campaign devoted to no CP PvP.
If there is CP system in game, why would I need to play in no cp cyrodill?1 -
Madhojo✭✭✭100% agree. 810 was already wicked high, but I soldiered on and pushed to 500... Now the cap is 3600 AND the worst part is that I lost certain passives I cant even get back because the ridiculous way the new trees are set up!
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Xebov✭✭✭✭✭
✭BejaProphet wrote: »Enjoy that all your playing is meaningful because you get to either horizontally or vertically progress your character for years.
That is exactly the problem. To make use of the system you have to play for years unless you grind like crazy.
XP gain from most sources is so low compared to XP requirements that the sense of progression is nearly non existing. Im currently looking to unlock a node that cost me 5x25 points. To completely unlock it i have to gain 375 CP levels. My current activities yield ~2 CP levels per day (a bit more with the current double XP). Just reaching the first level of the node will already take me ~11 days. Completely unlocking it is 6 months. Thats just a single node.
The other issue is that iam a tank in group content and i would also like to get nodes that are benefitial for me in solo content. The system would technically support it. Practically i have to play for years just to get to the point where i can. This however makes the system in itself pointless.
My expectation is realy that i can get a meaningful amount of CP per day without grinding to unlock something. Given that the cheapest stuff is 8 points and it goes up all the way to 100+ i can already see that this is not the case.
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Auth3nticGlitch✭✭✭Just want to mention here since I do my best to recognize all play styles for games, is that for some people grinding, be it light or heavy grinding is playing the game and is fun for some people. I think that is what many people here are missing, some people genuinely enjoy grinding and melting mobs for XP and ESO is actually missing quite a bit of that play style for people.
While I’m not all that into grinding XP it used to be my thing in other games in fact it was in thing I loved a bout Diablo2 back on the day, that grind from 1-50 was everything to me. luckily in ESO I enjoy farming which was pretty much the only reason I grinded levels in Diablo2, so that I could farm mats and rare items, something about finding unique loot that just gives me thrills and excitement. In diablo2 that loot was from melting mobs in ESO that loot comes from urns, treasaure chests, material nodes and sometimes you get lucky with mobs and bosses, depends what you’re going for. Most farming and unique loot can be found early in the game, except for gear you only need to grind to 160CP so that you hit the item level cap.
So to me grinding levels is not nearly as important and only something I really only do with alt toons and something I did in 3 days an hour or 2 at a time for my latest alt to get from 1-50, and thankfully it was not dolemans, gosh those are so boring and lack luster in XP.
Anyway just wanted to say that for some people enjoy grinding and ESO appears to make an active choice to sway people from that play style quite often but to me it’s really not that bad I think a lot of grinders are simply overwhelmed by the latest cap, and maybe some should slow down and realize they can be quite happy with CP at or around 800 -1200 mind you I don’t play hard content often so I don’t have first hand experience to know if you really need more CP than 1200 but I’ve heard it from quite a few people in guilds that you should be fine.0 -
Cirantille✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭It is depressing and daunting.
Someone with 2000 cp is well above advantage both in PvE and PvP. People already have higher requirement for contents.
And all after I was at cap doing my business and having fun.
It looks impossible now with 3600 level plus having a normal life.
Upsetting. This game used to be about fun now it is all about your level and grind. Far from old casual friendly ESO.3 -
Vermintide✭✭✭✭What grind? You don't have to do it.
You can complete veteran dungeons just fine as soon as you hit the level requirement. You can do trials before you're anywhere near cap. You can finish veteran solo arenas with your CP turned off.
Since they changed the system, CP is even less necessary because the stat boosts mean you're substantially more powerful at base than you were before. It's more like refining your build than just adding raw power.
Edited by Vermintide on March 29, 2021 12:20AM4 -
OneWingedAnge7✭✭✭You don't need to grind cp, you don't need 3600. You barely need more half, unless you are going for optimal setups. Which very few are.
Just play the game and enjoy doing whatever you enjoy doing.4 -
Rudrani✭✭✭✭✭AGREE with the OP!
Before release, i thought
1) xp will be recalculated so x cp1.0 will convert to x*n cp2.0 - THAT DIDNT HAPPEN
2) cp will be closer together (in terms of xp), so faster to get - THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN
Elightenment seemes a method of allowing busy/casual players to keep up with hardcore players. WHY EVEN HAVE THAT? Busy/Casual players don't even NEED cp. They don't prog for Immortal Redeemer, Extinquisher of Flames, Godslayer, etc. They get together and hang out, do quests, have fun, etc.
I wish ZOS would rethink this and make a system that would make aquiring cp easier for people who grind it harder, not easier for people who log in once a week.
PS - i LIKE the new system, and like the new cap. I just dont like that #1 and #2, above, diddnt happen. And I think the Enlightenment system is outdated, and wasnt smart to begin with.
The reactions on the forums prove this. More than half the people say "no need to grind, just play." That is a certain type of player. They are a wonderful type. I am not being demeaning. But they are not the type that even really cares about min/maxing.
During Jester Fest, travel to Blackrose wayshrine and walk up to the entrance to blackrose (the optimal xp/minute grind spot rn). Count how many silver skins, bronze factotums, and immortal redeemer titles you see hanging out at the top of the stairs. Ratio them to the number of cp 200 type people, or people with "Champion of Vivec" titles. its 100:0. This prooves my point that the people who want cp are the endgamers. Make the enlightenment system favor THEM.Edited by Rudrani on March 29, 2021 1:36AM3 -
BejaProphet✭✭✭✭✭
✭@Auth3nticGlitch I get that some like the grind. And I have nothing against that. Like it’d matter if I did, right?
My comments were directed at those who were miserable and even talking about quiting all over some perceived need to get to cap.
Play how you enjoy sure.Royal Poet's Dungeon Tanking Guide https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/416797/royal-poets-guide-to-traditional-tanking-in-veteran-dungeons#latest0 -
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✭BejaProphet wrote: »BejaProphet wrote: »This is a bit silly. The problem is not a 3,600 cp cap. [snip] I can’t believe the number of people completely freaking out that they can’t immediately be at the cap.
The developers already proved with internal testing that 100% of the game’s content can be completed with ZERO champion points. Relax and enjoy the game. Enjoy that all your playing is meaningful because you get to either horizontally or vertically progress your character for years.
Why play a game in such a way that you make yourself miserable trying to get content done, then you are miserable for lack of content?
Take it from an older gamer. One day this game will be done and gone. Nothing about it will have mattered. So if it isn’t FUN there’s no point.
Want to see these devs in CP Cyrodill with their 0cp.
There is an entire campaign devoted to no CP PvP.
If there is CP system in game, why would I need to play in no cp cyrodill?
Well if you care about being on a "level playing field" with other pvpers, you would join a no CP Campaign. However, a pvper can't complain about how their lack of CP gives them a disadvantage in Cyro when their is a no CP option that removes CP differences.
The devs stated an internal team completed all content without any CP under the new system. So we know it's not needed to do the content. This is just like the you must have X DPS in order to do Y content argument. Players set up artificial requirements so they can "skip" parts of the game then complain because they have to "grind" in order to be able to skip. Sorry, if ya want to skip to then end and just godmode everything, your going to need to play a game with console commands/mods. But in an MMO your going to work for endgame godmode one way or another. You can either enjoy the journey or make it into a job.Edited by ThorianB on March 29, 2021 2:05AM4 -
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✭Just play and enjoy the game. You'll gain cp in time and after all, you're casual so whats the stress?PC NA - GreggsSausageRoll1 -
ArchMikem✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Why do you have to grind. Just play the game. If you really are casual you wouldnt care that much about level, you'll get more over time. The only levels ive ever grinded were 1 - 50. After that i just play. Been doing that for over five years.
I'm still 2,267 CP away from the new max and i don't care.CP2,100 Master Explorer - AvA Two Star Warlord - Console Peasant - Khajiiti Aficionado - The Clan
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DrSlaughtr✭✭✭✭✭
✭It's funny because all they said was how much easier it would be to gain cp.
First day of jester I ran a random daily with 100% pie, 150% scroll, and 9 pieces of purple training gear.
I got 2 cp. Did a BG. Got 1 more cp.
So I guess it all I wanted to do is run randoms on every character I could get an okay amount every day but that would leave my no time to do anything else and likely make me hate the game. I agree it shouldn't be too easy but this is the mess they created.
They raised to cap to such a level that it's not rewarding to grind. Getting to 1200 should be a lot easier. I feel bad for my friends who are running around at 800 trying to fight dudes over 1500.I drink and I stream things.3 -
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✭✭BejaProphet wrote: »This is a bit silly. The problem is not a 3,600 cp cap. [snip] I can’t believe the number of people completely freaking out that they can’t immediately be at the cap.
The developers already proved with internal testing that 100% of the game’s content can be completed with ZERO champion points. Relax and enjoy the game. Enjoy that all your playing is meaningful because you get to either horizontally or vertically progress your character for years.
Why play a game in such a way that you make yourself miserable trying to get content done, then you are miserable for lack of content?
Take it from an older gamer. One day this game will be done and gone. Nothing about it will have mattered. So if it isn’t FUN there’s no point.
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Link to video of godslayer without CP in u29 please.7 -
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✭I was sad to read in zone chat the other day someone say "3590 more levels to go". 🤪PC-NA2 -
Phaedryn✭✭✭Raising the CP limit that much is about to kill this game for me. I'm more casual than I'm hardcore. I left the game last year around October due to personal reasons. I was finally able to come back at the end of February. When I left I was at CP 697. I got excited when I got back because I only had to make it to 810 to be done with the cp grind...or so I thought. I was extremely disappointed to see them raise the CP cap and raise it as high as they did. However, everyone was saying not to worry, it'll be faster to gain cp levels now. While it may be a little faster...it's still going to take eons to reach max level. Hell it'll take a long time for someone like me to reach even CP 1300-1800. Not to mention a lot of the skills I had before I now can't get and have to work towards even though they were unlocked before. I'm just not liking it. Trying to stay with it...but the grind is looking like way too much of a commitment. It's one of the reasons I loved playing ESO. Now it's getting out of hand....at least for me.
Getting to max CP is SUPPOSED to be a game career long goal. Grinding/Farming trying to rush it is YOUR choice. It's a video game, if you are playing it in a manner you (personally) do not enjoy, then you are doing it wrong.
I happen to love the changes. I plan to play for a long while and now, thankfully, I wont simply be capped out with XP serving no further use.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I just hate the fact that now I have CP sitting I can't use till I have enough to be useful.
Was always able to apply all my CP as gained before even though there were jump points.
On top of the wasted CP to get to a useful star.2
