Even with double xp/pots - CP grind is still too much

Kosef · March 2021

Raising the CP limit that much is about to kill this game for me. I'm more casual than I'm hardcore. I left the game last year around October due to personal reasons. I was finally able to come back at the end of February. When I left I was at CP 697. I got excited when I got back because I only had to make it to 810 to be done with the cp grind...or so I thought. I was extremely disappointed to see them raise the CP cap and raise it as high as they did. However, everyone was saying not to worry, it'll be faster to gain cp levels now. While it may be a little faster...it's still going to take eons to reach max level. Hell it'll take a long time for someone like me to reach even CP 1300-1800. Not to mention a lot of the skills I had before I now can't get and have to work towards even though they were unlocked before. I'm just not liking it. Trying to stay with it...but the grind is looking like way too much of a commitment. It's one of the reasons I loved playing ESO. Now it's getting out of hand....at least for me.

TequilaFire · March 2021

It would help if they would increase Enlightenment some.
I blow trough the current daily amount way too fast

Shihp00 · March 2021

my main account hasn't reached 1k cp and I've owned the game for 5 years

KalyanLazair · March 2021

I have to agree. The progress is so slow I've completely given up on it altogether. I'll just play as usual, no grinding, enjoy the game by doing what I like and get the CPs out of it. It's a game I play to enjoy, not a job. I want to quest, do some dungeons, collect stuff and that's about it. Mindless grinding is not the type of gameplay I strive for.

SshadowSscale · March 2021

I completely agree.... I don't care too much to reach the 3600 cap since at that point it's just unlockong more slottables to switch out..... but getting to the 1800 soft cap is gonna take eons even if you have all the xp buffs you can get running at the same time wich for most of the playerbase is not something they can accomplish to do due to the price of xp pots for example...... I think zos should look at the xp curve again and either reduce the xp needed or increase enlightenment.... maybe both but it's really discouraging to have to grind for so long to get some of the power you had before the patch back

INe_Saninus · March 2021

I have struggled with the same thought, but have come to a new conclusion.

I mostly play CP PVP. A higher CP means and advantage when fights are close.
1 or 2% of anything can be a deciding factor in a fight between two equally skilled opponents.

...but so what? Lol

I beat people with higher CP than me before and I still will.
I beat people with stronger, easier to play classes with cheese builds.
I'll out skill my opponent, and if I can't that means I need to get better.

If I find my CP too low, I'll go into No CP or Battlegrounds.

I'll grind during double xp events and relax when those efforts aren't as rewarding.

It gives us all something to do.
Progression.

Basically, I'm going to relax and enjoy the ride. Grind when it's worth it or I feel like it and mess around when I don't.

It's the ride, not the destination that matters in this instance. You had better enjoy it or what's the point?

zaria · March 2021

KalyanLazair wrote: »

I have to agree. The progress is so slow I've completely given up on it altogether. I'll just play as usual, no grinding, enjoy the game by doing what I like and get the CPs out of it. It's a game I play to enjoy, not a job. I want to quest, do some dungeons, collect stuff and that's about it. Mindless grinding is not the type of gameplay I strive for.

Same here, and good news, you don't need to get all the CP, I gotten 45 just playing normally, 18 from crafting writs at change, will do another batch at end of event.
1440 now, cp is not the issue doing stuff like vet dlc for me, granted if you are cp 800 it might be a bit different.

redlink1979 · March 2021

INe_Saninus wrote: »

(...) relax and enjoy the ride. (...)

^^ All said

Matchimus · March 2021

If CP is your priority then yes, u will find this a high mountain. Me? I go around by playing the game.

Brynhiild · March 2021

I agree, this farm is ridiculous... I did a small break after the release of the update (because i was angry about the xp "loss"), and i cameback to grind CPs with the event... And even with a 150% scroll and the XP boost from the event on a BRP farm i find it stupidely long to gain CPs at my level (944)... And i'm supposed to grind like that to reach the "soft" cap of 1200 ? Or 1800 as everyone says for a healer or a tank ?...
Thanks but no thanks... It's way faster to grind CPs with enlightment, so at least gave us more of the enlightment bonus or just REDUCE the amount of xp needed for each CP

Because as the OP says, it's killing the game for me, i don't even want to play... And nerfing DLC dungeons will not do the trick for me. I loved hard content, now it's easy AF and i just need to grind CPs... Before the update the game was about skill and learning rotations, now it's about XP and levels, and ignoring roations because the content is easier and easier even for the DLC content...

Maybe new players are happy with that (even if i think any new player coming on the game who see "3600" as max level will leave in the second) but veterans are more and more disapointed about what's happening...

SerraKBella · March 2021

For me, it's the Green Tree that I find I want to grind CP for. Otherwise, I'm just going to level as I play, but the Green Tree needs so many points for all the things I want to take advantage of, unless I'm willing to pay to switch stuff around all the time, that one is the problem for me.

LarsS · March 2021

It seems like most people have forgotten that the whole cp system was nerfed and is much more horisontal this days.

ParsFellas · March 2021

no can let me grind this much. cp gring is almost same as before and enlight is same as 6 years. in a few months there will eb huge cp defference between a lot of players

carlos424 · March 2021

Kosef wrote: »

Raising the CP limit that much is about to kill this game for me. I'm more casual than I'm hardcore. I left the game last year around October due to personal reasons. I was finally able to come back at the end of February. When I left I was at CP 697. I got excited when I got back because I only had to make it to 810 to be done with the cp grind...or so I thought. I was extremely disappointed to see them raise the CP cap and raise it as high as they did. However, everyone was saying not to worry, it'll be faster to gain cp levels now. While it may be a little faster...it's still going to take eons to reach max level. Hell it'll take a long time for someone like me to reach even CP 1300-1800. Not to mention a lot of the skills I had before I now can't get and have to work towards even though they were unlocked before. I'm just not liking it. Trying to stay with it...but the grind is looking like way too much of a commitment. It's one of the reasons I loved playing ESO. Now it's getting out of hand....at least for me.

Try doing random normal dungeons on multiple characters with xp buffs active. Depending on the que it shouldnt take more than 15-20 minutes and net at a minimum 200k with event buff, add xp scroll/pot, training gear, etc., and get well over 300k xp each run plus the 10 transmutes and whatever gear.

Tensar · March 2021

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Only things stupid with this update on CP is the fact that we lose some of our cp passives, and have to have more level to have our old stats.

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AlnilamE · March 2021

I got 3 CP today doing DSA with a guildie, and that was after my enlightenment ran out.

No Master Resto yet, though. :-(

hafgood · March 2021

If you don't want to do the grind don't do it.

I'm not.

OK, I'm higher CP than you, I was 1278 at change over. I'm now 1334 so have added about 60CP in a week and a half. I've not done anything special and I won't. The CP will come.

Xebov · March 2021

CP feeling slow is a combination of several problems.

Leveling them is generally slow because many activities yield little to no XP. That more or less enforces grinding.
To picture the problem dungeons are a good example. You can get a good chunk of XP for the random daily, but farming a specific dungeon for gear yields very little XP. Other areas have similar issues.

Since all points gained take turns in the 3 trees it takes much more time to be able to level up anything. If someone wants to level something for 10 points ine ach tree they need 30 points. They end up with skilling all 3 things at once, because skilling them one after the other is not possible.

At the very least we need way more options to progress CP in terms of activities, especially ones that dont resort to mindless farming.

ThorianB · March 2021

If you don't enjoy the grind then don't grind. There is absolutely no reason to grind up levels in ESO except for the false reasons you keep convincing yourself of. If your gaming feels like a job, then you are doing it wrong. I have seen a significant increase in leveling since the update.

Right now with 50% scroll i can casually get 3-5 CP levels an hour with no enlightenment and i am in the mid 900s. That is a pretty easy level grind, which is good, because CP levels are nearly worthless. They could shrink CP down by a factor of 10 and just make each level 10x more potent. Then we would actually feel like we were getting something with a level and people wouldn't say "3600 levels? LMAO, hard pass."

bjornboeb16_ESO · March 2021

I have to agree. The grind is just to much. My feeling of fun is disappearing

Sarannah · March 2021

There is no reason to grind at all, just play the game and the CP will come.

From when U29 was implemented, I have already gained well over 100 CP, and I'm just playing as I normally would. So it is quite fast to gain CP.

PS: Does anyone else feel like the max CP level is really 360, as almost all CP bonusses require 10CP each? Meaning they might as well be 1 point with a maximum of 360CP.

Inklings · March 2021

I feel like I trip over things and I get a cp. The over all xp needed to level to 3600 was reduced by almost 60%.

Those of you under 810 complaining its slower will actually be making it to 1200 faster then you would have 810 with cp1.0 in most cases.

With the increase change to the damage they gave with raising the floor with based stat increases if youre under 810 youre most likely more powerful then ya were pre cp2.0 as well.

OtarTheMad · March 2021

Why are you grinding? I mean you even said you're casual so you're probably not a leaderboard chaser. I don't understand. Just play the game and you'll level pretty quick. All I have done since the Jester Festival dropped is just those quests, killing only what I needed to and with an XP scroll and the pie, I am getting like 4-5 CP levels a day (again I only do those quests and then log out)... imagine if I quested more or did delves or public dungeons as well... I would be well over that.

I am sorry to sound like an a$$ but don't blame ZOS because you feel like you have to grind... you really don't. The game, in terms of being able to complete content, is pretty doable at even low CP levels. Only would be an issue if you're trying to reach #1 on the boards.

Iccotak · March 2021

Also it is just a ridiculously high number to have to reach for. There is a reason that world of Warcraft reduced the level cap.

They realized that the idea of having to reach a level 120 was very unappealing and turned off people getting into the game.

thorwyn · March 2021

I agree. We should all be CP 3600 after logging in. Much more fun that way.

FrancisCrawford · March 2021

Brynhiild wrote: »

I agree, this farm is ridiculous... I did a small break after the release of the update (because i was angry about the xp "loss"), and i cameback to grind CPs with the event... And even with a 150% scroll and the XP boost from the event on a BRP farm i find it stupidely long to gain CPs at my level (944)... And i'm supposed to grind like that to reach the "soft" cap of 1200 ? Or 1800 as everyone says for a healer or a tank ?...
Thanks but no thanks... It's way faster to grind CPs with enlightment, so at least gave us more of the enlightment bonus or just REDUCE the amount of xp needed for each CP

Because as the OP says, it's killing the game for me, i don't even want to play... And nerfing DLC dungeons will not do the trick for me. I loved hard content, now it's easy AF and i just need to grind CPs... Before the update the game was about skill and learning rotations, now it's about XP and levels, and ignoring roations because the content is easier and easier even for the DLC content...

Maybe new players are happy with that (even if i think any new player coming on the game who see "3600" as max level will leave in the second) but veterans are more and more disapointed about what's happening...

If content is too easy for you, why do you need to make your characters stronger?

fiender66 · March 2021

I am at 940+ on EU and at 650+ on NA.

I have replicated my best toons on PTS, pushing them beyond 1200CP and you now what? The difference, at least for NOT endgame content, is not great at all (OFC for 900+ CP toons).

I have stopped grinding, and I'm going through the game with the aim to complete the stories and get the more achievements I'm able to (many will be beyond my reach anyway, I know).

I'm aware that my way of playing could not satisfy a more "athletic" taste, nor is it fit to endgame groups, but these are not my cases, definitely.
With this comment I only want to share my personal experience, not to give advice to anyone, but mates, I've been through grinding for about two weeks, and putting it aside has been awesome.

geonsocal · March 2021

imagine if you're a new player and want to jump in to grey host (the mostly "lively" map), it would probably feel a little discouraging...

Magdalina · March 2021

While the numbers do seem intimidatingly huge, my understanding is that the current gap between CP 3600 and CP 0 (not to mention CP 800) is actually lower than it was before at CP 810 vs CP 0. I haven't personally tested but people are saying the raw dps increase is significantly smaller now. You will be missing some green tree utility (but then again, ZOS 'conveniently' made it so that you cannot use most of it without swapping passives, so you won't really be that much worse off than people with 2000 CP) and the choice between offence and defense will be more pronounced for you (as in you can either pour it all in dps to see some significant difference or pour it all in defence to feel tankier and perhaps have more utility/self-sustain), but that's about it. One place where I can see this matter would be CP PvP as you need both good defence and good offence there but there's always no-CP PvP. The other place is obviously the hardcore raiding where people are pushing for #1 leaderboards position and every single % of dps is vital for them but that doesn't sound like your cup of tea, judging by what you say. I'd say just pay less attention to numbers. If it bugs you too much, find an optimised build for your CP (Alcast and many others seem to have those already) and do what you can with it. 800 CP vs 3600 CP may sound like a tiny amount but it in no way means you're 4+ times weaker than someone at 3600 CP, that's not how it works.

Just play the game and enjoy getting a CP every now and then:)

Emma_Overload · March 2021

Did they ever fix XP pots and scrolls so that they actually boost XP gain by the stated amount? I'm not paying millions of gold for "150%" pots that only boost XP gain by 20% or something when you're wearing Training gear.

All these things, especially the ones they sell for real world cash in the Crown Store, need to be multiplicative, not additive!

Rasoma · March 2021

I do not see gaining CP's as a grind and trust me I have a heck of a lot to get!

Instead I see gaining CP's as simply playing and enjoying the game - if you max out on everything then where the heck is the incentive to carry on?