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How can i hide my stuff for the Group-Loot Add-On
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Daemonai✭✭✭✭SilverBride wrote: »This is not a social issue
It's a social issue when you liken being asked a simple yes or no question to being violated or assaulted.and we are not teammates. Your friends and guildmates are your teammates. We are just a temporary group formed to run a dungeon.
This is simply semantics but for your ease of mind, we can call them temporary teammates.I don't think anyone is threatened, but rather feel violated that some stranger is lurking to see which of your items they can talk you out of. It's an entitled behavior and one we don't have to accept.
Entitlement is probably the most overused and misused word of the past few years. If a (temporary) teammate demands that you give them your item, that would be entitled. But if they simply politely ask, which is usually the case, it's just a question that you can either accept or reject. It's not that deep.
Edited by Daemonai on March 18, 2021 9:12PM8 -
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✭✭✭✭✭robertthebard wrote: »I wonder, what's the author's intent?
I was not very familiar with this add on so I went to investigate. I found 3 add ons with Group Loot in their names. I looked at all of them and read the comments. One in particular stood out to me because it discussed the "beg" button not working correctly. That was very telling to me.Edited by SilverBride on March 18, 2021 9:14PMPCNA5 -
Flamebait✭✭✭Personally I don't use the addon in question, but I have no issue with anyone who wants to. In the times that I run random dungeons I am fine with someone sending me a whisper asking if I need an item or if they can buy it. To be fair though I have never had anyone actually cause issues over me saying no either, although that may just be luck since there are certainly some rather nasty people in the world as well.
However if you say at the start of a run that you are looking for something in group chat then you will be out of luck since I normally have zone chat in a separate window I rarely read, and group chat is normally turned off. With 5 guilds plus whispers there is enough going on that I have no desire to read spam from up to 3 random people I will probably never see again anyways. If something is important they can whisper.
Besides to be honest I actually feel sorry for people on consoles since this game has so little inbuilt flexibility for everything without using addons, mostly because they decided right from the beta that addons would be supported to change things allowing them to spend time on other things. See the absolute inflexibility of UI compared to any other game from the same time, let alone more current, however they allow addons to do a great deal as compensation for this.0 -
KalyanLazair✭✭✭✭My friend uses this addon and it's really useful for when we go collection hunting, so he immediately knows if he has the stuff that dropped on me or not, and can ask for it. I don't care, we're friends and I don't mind him asking. We constantly give each other stuff too, so there is that.
However, I did have to come to terms with it. It does feel weird to have random people who I don't have any relationship with peek into my stuff and asking for my loot. I don't mind giving stuff that I don't need away, but I'd rather not feel the need of having to say "no" with loot that wasn't supposed to be public to begin with. This thing doesn't only broadcast armor, it broadcasts everything, including recipes, motifs and furnishing blueprints which I happen to hoard.
It would be nice if I could actually choose who could see into my loot and who couldn't. I think it's useful, but I also believe it is a huge invasion that can and does make other players feel uncomfortable. I'm glad many of you don't feel that way, but it's not fair to disregard those who actually do.Edited by KalyanLazair on March 19, 2021 12:11AM9 -
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✭AngryOldMan wrote: »I am an angry old man who find it very intruding when my random group members ask for stuff i have looted, and not linked in chat. If i dont want to share with them, why should the Add-On do it? Where is my right to keep loot a secret? What settings do i need to adjust to protect my precious loot from prying eyes? If its not something i can adjust in settings, which Add-On is hiding my highly valued loot? If there aint an Add-On yet, can someone please make it so i can have my beloved loot for myself?
I'm always baffled that people are offended by the fact that I know what they picked up.
It's a group dungeon. You may have and very well may have been carried many a time so what if the person that's making the dungeon last 10 times less time therefore more efficient decides to stop attacking the boss cause he knows you're against simply sharing the knowledge on what you're looting (which for RP purposes makes moreover sense if that's your thing as, being next to you, they'd see your loot if immersion is an argument that appeals to you)?
What you think is intrusive is very practical and efficient for most other people. He won't be posting 15 times in chat "LF xyz" and never know if people who don't care to pay attention to chat or can't care to remember requests actually looked into their loot to see if they got the piece your pug teammate wanted.
It's saving you time. You won't jsve to look in your stuff that you don't care about to see if there's a piece your teammate might need he'll tell you. If you don't want to share for wtv reason, you just say know, if they berate you, you put them on the ignore list.0 -
remosito✭✭✭✭✭amm7sb14_ESO wrote: »@AngryOldManAngryOldMan wrote: »... What settings do i need to adjust to protect my precious loot from prying eyes? If its not something i can adjust in settings, which Add-On is hiding my highly valued loot? If there aint an Add-On yet, can someone please make it so i can have my beloved loot for myself? ...
Sorry to say that, but you can do nothing about that.
ZoS coded the game to have your loot information broadcasted to your group members. So, no "Loot Blocker" addon is possible at your side as the game server sends the information about all the drops (yours included) directly to other players (and your client is out of these communication paths (from server to other clients) and cannot affect that anyhow) .
Unless the Game-makers change the existing mechanics to add you controls upon the said server behaviour, you are helpless.
The game doesn't broadcast loot. An add-on does.
And I agree with OP. I hate it. Its very rude for other people to be seeing my inventory and asking for gear.
you are wrong. it is zos game code that makes the dropped loot info availabke to all party members.
the addon simply displays that info.
and we cant see your inventory at all. zos does not share that info withparty members.
you are barking up the wrong tree. zos gives the drop info out to party members.Edited by remosito on March 18, 2021 10:07PMShutYerTrap (selectively mute NPC dialogues (stuga, companions); displayleads (antiquity leads location); UndauntedPledgeQueuer (small daily undaunted dungeon queuer window)3 -
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✭✭✭Auth3nticGlitch wrote: »As someone who is anti-social in real life, even I'm astounded by the anti-social sentiments expressed here. Like, are you all really so threatened by a teammate politely asking for something you (likely) don't need? And then withholding the item out of spite because they had the nerve to ask? Really?
Yes, for some people it takes a whole lot of courage to even start a public dungeon with random people you don't know, you clearly don't have it bad enough to know the absolutely terrible feelings that brew up inside. It took me months before I even joined a dungeon, I did everything solo and grinded my character to do things solo. When it came to PvP and Dungeon events I skipped them entirely or tried to do dungeons solo to get the event/loot boxes, it really was that difficult to do anything with random strangers. Its weird I know but be respectful of people's feeling and don't assume that just because you can do activities and talk in a video games that so can everyone else. I'm in a guild that is literally for solo players and socially anxious people, we just about never talk to each other, its the least socially active guild I'm in and its full, so yes there are plenty of people who have a hard time with this and don't like it when you whisper them.
I have months where I'm great and can talk to anyone in a game or on forums but then I have months where I shut down and can't even fathom speaking to anyone, so please don't be disrespectful to us by trying to make it seem like its nothing serious because it really is serious and our feelings are 100% real and very frightening at times.
Offline mode exists for this very reason, if you simply cannot handle being talked to, just go dark. It's very, very easy.4 -
remosito✭✭✭✭✭amm7sb14_ESO wrote: »SeaGtGruff wrote: »BeefcakeManwich wrote: »Haha this always cracks me up. It's group loot. So what if they know what dropped. Some games it's automatically built into it. Just don't respond. Problem solved. But why do I have to because they did and now it's harder for me to be left to myself in an mmo. Oh the run arounds of first world problems.
If it's group loot, then everybody in the group should get it.
If each person in the group got different loot, then it wasn't "group loot."
IMHO; YMMV and clearly does.
This type of "What's yours is mine" mentality is all the more reason not to play in a group, AFAIC.
How is asking 'can I have that (if you don't need it) please?' (from a player who just fought alongside you in a group activity but just had worse rng than you, not just a totally random player) an example of 'what yours is mine' mentality? Isn't it a prime example of team communication which is, you know, the very heart of an MMO? If such things make you feel uncomfortable, perhaps you should consider either not playing MMOs, avoiding group activities in MMOs, or perhaps work on that insecurity of yours a bit (I say that without the smallest intention of offence, it just is what it is - there's absolutely no reason that some stranger asking for something in text chat in a game should make you feel quite that uncomfortable).
Why do you have to download an app that goes through player's inventories
not how it works.
zos game code shares dropped loot info with party members. there is no access to the inventory. only info is what goes into the inventory during run.ShutYerTrap (selectively mute NPC dialogues (stuga, companions); displayleads (antiquity leads location); UndauntedPledgeQueuer (small daily undaunted dungeon queuer window)1 -
Czeri✭✭✭✭✭SilverBride wrote: »This is not a social issue
It's a social issue when you liken being asked a simple yes or no question to being violated or assaulted.and we are not teammates. Your friends and guildmates are your teammates. We are just a temporary group formed to run a dungeon.
This is simply semantics but for your ease of mind, we can call them temporary teammates.I don't think anyone is threatened, but rather feel violated that some stranger is lurking to see which of your items they can talk you out of. It's an entitled behavior and one we don't have to accept.
Entitlement is probably the most overused and misused word of the past few years. If a (temporary) teammate demands that you give them your item, that would be entitled. But if they simply politely ask, which is usually the case, it's just a question that you can either accept or reject. It's not that deep.
I wonder if it's one of those issues where no understanding can be reached between opposing parties. You either see poking your nose into someone else's inventory as a privacy violation, or you don't. For those of us that do have a problem with it, the attitude that the usefulness of the add-on trumps others' discomfort with it is the very definition of entitlement.9 -
remosito✭✭✭✭✭SilverBride wrote: »@Amm7sb14_ESO you have a picture that some addon installed at your client is spying on your loot and sends it to others.
This is not how i actually works, because of two reasons:
1) to be able to communicate with other players (whose IP addresses you don't know) you have to have to run some external execuatable (like TTC does this, but it communicates with TTC server with know address). ESO Game server basically would not relay inbetween clients messages, as this would simply consume servers' networking resources, so TL/DR; server does this
2) if you examine official ESO API you might notice OnLootReceived
ZO_LootHistory_Keyboard.OnLootReceived()
ZO_LootHistory_Gamepad:OnLootReceived(...)
which basically tells group members:
OnLootReceived(receivedBy, itemLinkOrName, stackCount, itemSound, lootType, lootedBySelf, isPickpocketLoot, questItemIcon, itemId)
- which is: who have received what
Addons like Group Loot Notifier simply catch these server messages and parse them to display you in a convenient format.
How the add on works doesn't matter. It's the end result that is causing the problem.
This addon gives players information about others drops that they wouldn't have access to without it. And many players don't like like being whispered by others begging them for their loot, which is the only reason players get the addon... so they can see what others have gotten and ask for it.
whether you, me or anybody else likes it or not doesn't even matter. ZOS makes the info available. ZOS allows addons.
Using the addon and having the info displayed is playing the game as zos has intended.
So bashing on others for using it is actually wrong. They are using the product they paid for the way it is intended to be used.
You don't like it. don't use the product.
Now. Feel free to bash on others for being not nice about asking for items. personally. I always imagine the "plz give xyz" players to be from another country with another language and dont speak english much or at all.
and by all means complain to zos about having this addon be intended gameplay.
but way to much villification of fellow players going on in this thread for using an addon that provides functionality that is clearly greenlighted by zos. they paid money for the game. vit is their right to play it in any way they see fit that zos allows. including this addon.Edited by remosito on March 18, 2021 10:30PMShutYerTrap (selectively mute NPC dialogues (stuga, companions); displayleads (antiquity leads location); UndauntedPledgeQueuer (small daily undaunted dungeon queuer window)3 -
CountEdmondDantes✭✭✭✭amm7sb14_ESO wrote: »@AngryOldManAngryOldMan wrote: »... What settings do i need to adjust to protect my precious loot from prying eyes? If its not something i can adjust in settings, which Add-On is hiding my highly valued loot? If there aint an Add-On yet, can someone please make it so i can have my beloved loot for myself? ...
Sorry to say that, but you can do nothing about that.
ZoS coded the game to have your loot information broadcasted to your group members. So, no "Loot Blocker" addon is possible at your side as the game server sends the information about all the drops (yours included) directly to other players (and your client is out of these communication paths (from server to other clients) and cannot affect that anyhow) .
Unless the Game-makers change the existing mechanics to add you controls upon the said server behaviour, you are helpless.
The game doesn't broadcast loot. An add-on does.
And I agree with OP. I hate it. Its very rude for other people to be seeing my inventory and asking for gear.
Actually, game does. That is how the add-on works. What ZOS did was leave the presentation of that information to an add-on.
They are not seeing your inventory. They are seeing what you are picking up off the floor. Just because someone sees you take something off the shelf at Walmart does not mean that they are rooting through your pockets.
Okay, I'm genuinely trying to understand how the add-on actually works. Say I run Spindle. I get some drops. Fine. Then I do a second dungeon, say WGT. There's a player in the WGT run that's using the app. Can he see the drops I got in Spindle or just those from WGT? I guess in my mind, that makes a difference.
Either way, I'm an old man, too. I've taught university students for over two decades. As a result, I really don't have a problem telling people no.0 -
fioskal✭✭✭CountEdmondDantes wrote: »amm7sb14_ESO wrote: »@AngryOldManAngryOldMan wrote: »... What settings do i need to adjust to protect my precious loot from prying eyes? If its not something i can adjust in settings, which Add-On is hiding my highly valued loot? If there aint an Add-On yet, can someone please make it so i can have my beloved loot for myself? ...
Sorry to say that, but you can do nothing about that.
ZoS coded the game to have your loot information broadcasted to your group members. So, no "Loot Blocker" addon is possible at your side as the game server sends the information about all the drops (yours included) directly to other players (and your client is out of these communication paths (from server to other clients) and cannot affect that anyhow) .
Unless the Game-makers change the existing mechanics to add you controls upon the said server behaviour, you are helpless.
The game doesn't broadcast loot. An add-on does.
And I agree with OP. I hate it. Its very rude for other people to be seeing my inventory and asking for gear.
Actually, game does. That is how the add-on works. What ZOS did was leave the presentation of that information to an add-on.
They are not seeing your inventory. They are seeing what you are picking up off the floor. Just because someone sees you take something off the shelf at Walmart does not mean that they are rooting through your pockets.
Okay, I'm genuinely trying to understand how the add-on actually works. Say I run Spindle. I get some drops. Fine. Then I do a second dungeon, say WGT. There's a player in the WGT run that's using the app. Can he see the drops I got in Spindle or just those from WGT? I guess in my mind, that makes a difference.
Either way, I'm an old man, too. I've taught university students for over two decades. As a result, I really don't have a problem telling people no.
People can only see what you get as drops while they are grouped with you - nothing before, nothing after.-Fiona-
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✭✭✭✭✭CountEdmondDantes wrote: »amm7sb14_ESO wrote: »@AngryOldManAngryOldMan wrote: »... What settings do i need to adjust to protect my precious loot from prying eyes? If its not something i can adjust in settings, which Add-On is hiding my highly valued loot? If there aint an Add-On yet, can someone please make it so i can have my beloved loot for myself? ...
Sorry to say that, but you can do nothing about that.
ZoS coded the game to have your loot information broadcasted to your group members. So, no "Loot Blocker" addon is possible at your side as the game server sends the information about all the drops (yours included) directly to other players (and your client is out of these communication paths (from server to other clients) and cannot affect that anyhow) .
Unless the Game-makers change the existing mechanics to add you controls upon the said server behaviour, you are helpless.
The game doesn't broadcast loot. An add-on does.
And I agree with OP. I hate it. Its very rude for other people to be seeing my inventory and asking for gear.
Actually, game does. That is how the add-on works. What ZOS did was leave the presentation of that information to an add-on.
They are not seeing your inventory. They are seeing what you are picking up off the floor. Just because someone sees you take something off the shelf at Walmart does not mean that they are rooting through your pockets.
Okay, I'm genuinely trying to understand how the add-on actually works. Say I run Spindle. I get some drops. Fine. Then I do a second dungeon, say WGT. There's a player in the WGT run that's using the app. Can he see the drops I got in Spindle or just those from WGT? I guess in my mind, that makes a difference.
Either way, I'm an old man, too. I've taught university students for over two decades. As a result, I really don't have a problem telling people no.
they can only see the drop while you are actively grouped with them
It cannot see your inventory, the gear you're wearing, etc...
Only loot gained during that time you are grouped with them. The same gear that has the "tradable with @_____ for 2 hours" after completing BOP group content.The Unshattered - Tenacious Dreamer - Hurricane Herald - Godslayer - Dawnbringer - Gryphon Heart - Tick Tock Tormenter - Immortal Redeemer - Dro-m'Athra DestroyerThe Unchained - Moth Trusted - The Just - Oathsworn - Bedlam's Disciple - Temporal Tempest - Curator's Champion - Fist of Tava - Invader's Bane - Land, Air, and Sea Supremacy - Zero Regrets - Battlespire's Best - Bastion Breaker - Ardent Bibliophile - Subterranean Smasher - Bane of Thorns - True Genius - In Defiance of Death - No Rest for the Wicked - Nature's Wrath - Undying Endurance - Relentless Raider - Depths Defier - Apex Predator - Pure Lunacy - Mountain God - Leave No Bone Unbroken - CoS/RoM/BF/FH Challenger69,420 achievement points3 -
Auth3nticGlitch✭✭✭FantasticFreddie wrote: »Offline mode exists for this very reason, if you simply cannot handle being talked to, just go dark. It's very, very easy.
Offline mode will prevent guildies and people I do talk to from messaging me, so no I will not go in offline mode to avoid this nor should I have to do this.
Luckily I am a programmer and I will spend the time to create an addition to the pChat addon which I already use to organize all messages so that I can ignore all(if I choose to) group member whispers especially if the whisper starts with "can I have", "I want item", "you picked up" etc. It will be customizable and togglable, with an option to save those messages to a log/tab for later viewing
The truth of the matter is, it should be up to the individual whether they want to be whispered for an item and I believe this is the only solution until ESO changes their API to allow people to hide loot from the server event. With this addon at least I will still receive messages from the people that matter and gives me more control, as it should be.6 -
KalyanLazair✭✭✭✭CountEdmondDantes wrote: »amm7sb14_ESO wrote: »@AngryOldManAngryOldMan wrote: »... What settings do i need to adjust to protect my precious loot from prying eyes? If its not something i can adjust in settings, which Add-On is hiding my highly valued loot? If there aint an Add-On yet, can someone please make it so i can have my beloved loot for myself? ...
Sorry to say that, but you can do nothing about that.
ZoS coded the game to have your loot information broadcasted to your group members. So, no "Loot Blocker" addon is possible at your side as the game server sends the information about all the drops (yours included) directly to other players (and your client is out of these communication paths (from server to other clients) and cannot affect that anyhow) .
Unless the Game-makers change the existing mechanics to add you controls upon the said server behaviour, you are helpless.
The game doesn't broadcast loot. An add-on does.
And I agree with OP. I hate it. Its very rude for other people to be seeing my inventory and asking for gear.
Actually, game does. That is how the add-on works. What ZOS did was leave the presentation of that information to an add-on.
They are not seeing your inventory. They are seeing what you are picking up off the floor. Just because someone sees you take something off the shelf at Walmart does not mean that they are rooting through your pockets.
Okay, I'm genuinely trying to understand how the add-on actually works. Say I run Spindle. I get some drops. Fine. Then I do a second dungeon, say WGT. There's a player in the WGT run that's using the app. Can he see the drops I got in Spindle or just those from WGT? I guess in my mind, that makes a difference.
Either way, I'm an old man, too. I've taught university students for over two decades. As a result, I really don't have a problem telling people no.
It only shows your loot from the moment you grouped, so if you did Spindle with one group, that groups would see what you got in that dungeon. If right after that you disbanded and did WGT with another group, they would not see what you got at Spindle.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭whether you, me or anybody else likes it or not doesn't even matter. ZOS makes the info available. ZOS allows addons.
Using the addon and having the info displayed is playing the game as zos has intended.
You don't know that ZoS intended this addon. They probably didn't give any thought to the fact that someone may make such an addon when they were developing the game.
But this makes a lot of players uncomfortable, and this forum is for discussing the game, so I see nothing wrong with players giving their feedback on the subject.PCNA9 -
remosito✭✭✭✭✭CountEdmondDantes wrote: »amm7sb14_ESO wrote: »@AngryOldManAngryOldMan wrote: »... What settings do i need to adjust to protect my precious loot from prying eyes? If its not something i can adjust in settings, which Add-On is hiding my highly valued loot? If there aint an Add-On yet, can someone please make it so i can have my beloved loot for myself? ...
Sorry to say that, but you can do nothing about that.
ZoS coded the game to have your loot information broadcasted to your group members. So, no "Loot Blocker" addon is possible at your side as the game server sends the information about all the drops (yours included) directly to other players (and your client is out of these communication paths (from server to other clients) and cannot affect that anyhow) .
Unless the Game-makers change the existing mechanics to add you controls upon the said server behaviour, you are helpless.
The game doesn't broadcast loot. An add-on does.
And I agree with OP. I hate it. Its very rude for other people to be seeing my inventory and asking for gear.
Actually, game does. That is how the add-on works. What ZOS did was leave the presentation of that information to an add-on.
They are not seeing your inventory. They are seeing what you are picking up off the floor. Just because someone sees you take something off the shelf at Walmart does not mean that they are rooting through your pockets.
Okay, I'm genuinely trying to understand how the add-on actually works. Say I run Spindle. I get some drops. Fine. Then I do a second dungeon, say WGT. There's a player in the WGT run that's using the app. Can he see the drops I got in Spindle or just those from WGT? I guess in my mind, that makes a difference.
Either way, I'm an old man, too. I've taught university students for over two decades. As a result, I really don't have a problem telling people no.
only wgt drops. and only the ones that dropped while you were in the group.
so if group had kicked or lost a player. and you were replacement say for last boss only. addon cant tell you what dropped before you joined.ShutYerTrap (selectively mute NPC dialogues (stuga, companions); displayleads (antiquity leads location); UndauntedPledgeQueuer (small daily undaunted dungeon queuer window)2 -
remosito✭✭✭✭✭SilverBride wrote: »whether you, me or anybody else likes it or not doesn't even matter. ZOS makes the info available. ZOS allows addons.
Using the addon and having the info displayed is playing the game as zos has intended.
You don't know that ZoS intended this addon. They probably didn't give any thought to the fact that someone may make such an addon when they were developing the game.
But this makes a lot of players uncomfortable, and this forum is for discussing the game, so I see nothing wrong with players giving their feedback on the subject.
the addon is ages old. zos knows it exists. they can change their api or blacklist an addon any time they want.
they didnt.
as I said. nothing wrong giving feedback directed at zos. asking them to change their stance on this functionality.
everything wrong with the villification of fellow players for using the addon though.Edited by remosito on March 18, 2021 10:45PMShutYerTrap (selectively mute NPC dialogues (stuga, companions); displayleads (antiquity leads location); UndauntedPledgeQueuer (small daily undaunted dungeon queuer window)1 -
CountEdmondDantes✭✭✭✭CountEdmondDantes wrote: »amm7sb14_ESO wrote: »@AngryOldManAngryOldMan wrote: »... What settings do i need to adjust to protect my precious loot from prying eyes? If its not something i can adjust in settings, which Add-On is hiding my highly valued loot? If there aint an Add-On yet, can someone please make it so i can have my beloved loot for myself? ...
Sorry to say that, but you can do nothing about that.
ZoS coded the game to have your loot information broadcasted to your group members. So, no "Loot Blocker" addon is possible at your side as the game server sends the information about all the drops (yours included) directly to other players (and your client is out of these communication paths (from server to other clients) and cannot affect that anyhow) .
Unless the Game-makers change the existing mechanics to add you controls upon the said server behaviour, you are helpless.
The game doesn't broadcast loot. An add-on does.
And I agree with OP. I hate it. Its very rude for other people to be seeing my inventory and asking for gear.
Actually, game does. That is how the add-on works. What ZOS did was leave the presentation of that information to an add-on.
They are not seeing your inventory. They are seeing what you are picking up off the floor. Just because someone sees you take something off the shelf at Walmart does not mean that they are rooting through your pockets.
Okay, I'm genuinely trying to understand how the add-on actually works. Say I run Spindle. I get some drops. Fine. Then I do a second dungeon, say WGT. There's a player in the WGT run that's using the app. Can he see the drops I got in Spindle or just those from WGT? I guess in my mind, that makes a difference.
Either way, I'm an old man, too. I've taught university students for over two decades. As a result, I really don't have a problem telling people no.
Only loot gained during that time you are grouped with them. The same gear that has the "tradable with @_____ for 2 hours" after completing BOP group content.
Thanks. That's why I asked the question. So they would have to be grouped with you?
If I wanted the item, if I had my own item book to fill, I'd tell them no. Polite, but no. Then I'd go have a beer.
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✭✭CountEdmondDantes wrote: »CountEdmondDantes wrote: »amm7sb14_ESO wrote: »@AngryOldManAngryOldMan wrote: »... What settings do i need to adjust to protect my precious loot from prying eyes? If its not something i can adjust in settings, which Add-On is hiding my highly valued loot? If there aint an Add-On yet, can someone please make it so i can have my beloved loot for myself? ...
Sorry to say that, but you can do nothing about that.
ZoS coded the game to have your loot information broadcasted to your group members. So, no "Loot Blocker" addon is possible at your side as the game server sends the information about all the drops (yours included) directly to other players (and your client is out of these communication paths (from server to other clients) and cannot affect that anyhow) .
Unless the Game-makers change the existing mechanics to add you controls upon the said server behaviour, you are helpless.
The game doesn't broadcast loot. An add-on does.
And I agree with OP. I hate it. Its very rude for other people to be seeing my inventory and asking for gear.
Actually, game does. That is how the add-on works. What ZOS did was leave the presentation of that information to an add-on.
They are not seeing your inventory. They are seeing what you are picking up off the floor. Just because someone sees you take something off the shelf at Walmart does not mean that they are rooting through your pockets.
Okay, I'm genuinely trying to understand how the add-on actually works. Say I run Spindle. I get some drops. Fine. Then I do a second dungeon, say WGT. There's a player in the WGT run that's using the app. Can he see the drops I got in Spindle or just those from WGT? I guess in my mind, that makes a difference.
Either way, I'm an old man, too. I've taught university students for over two decades. As a result, I really don't have a problem telling people no.
Only loot gained during that time you are grouped with them. The same gear that has the "tradable with @_____ for 2 hours" after completing BOP group content.
Thanks. That's why I asked the question. So they would have to be grouped with you?
If I wanted the item, if I had my own item book to fill, I'd tell them no. Polite, but no. Then I'd go have a beer.
yes, they have to be grouped and eligible for the drop. Yes, you can tell them no. No, you don't have to have a beer. Bourbon, Scotch, Vodka, Wine, and water will also work, but beer works well.
In the year and half I've been running it I've never actually whispered anyone outside of runs where it was expected to use it. Only once has someone whispered me again after I told them "no" and it was increase their offer.1 -
Scardan✭✭✭✭✭amm7sb14_ESO wrote: »@AngryOldManAngryOldMan wrote: »... What settings do i need to adjust to protect my precious loot from prying eyes? If its not something i can adjust in settings, which Add-On is hiding my highly valued loot? If there aint an Add-On yet, can someone please make it so i can have my beloved loot for myself? ...
Sorry to say that, but you can do nothing about that.
ZoS coded the game to have your loot information broadcasted to your group members. So, no "Loot Blocker" addon is possible at your side as the game server sends the information about all the drops (yours included) directly to other players (and your client is out of these communication paths (from server to other clients) and cannot affect that anyhow) .
Unless the Game-makers change the existing mechanics to add you controls upon the said server behaviour, you are helpless.
The game doesn't broadcast loot. An add-on does.
And I agree with OP. I hate it. Its very rude for other people to be seeing my inventory and asking for gear.
you are wrong. it is zos game code that makes the dropped loot info availabke to all party members.
the addon simply displays that info.
You are wrong. Game does not make the dropped loot info available to all party members, this info is hidden from them and only displays with third party programm, as you said in the next line.
white = white, black = black and addon displaying hidden server info to party members is not the same as game displaying info to party members. Obviously. Hidden, because you do not see it normally.
I do not see the problem with using this addon, since you do not see my inventory.Edited by Scardan on March 18, 2021 11:01PMLet's be extremely precise in our use of terms.1 -
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✭✭It's very easy to just say no. I know there's a bit of pressure—you don't know if a stranger is gonna get all pissy if you say no, but in most situations they definitely won't. Some people don't see it as invasive to send/receive a private message. When people ask me for something, I'm a bit startled but just say I'm keeping it. And it's over.
I would either do content with friends and guildmates, or try to remember that it's not necessarily threatening if someone is a bit forward. Like others have said, being a bit forward gets you gear and stuff that other people don't want, so it's a harmless learned behavior for them.
I know that some people have a harder time saying no to gear requests because they're compulsively giving or don't want a conflict, so that makes it seem to them like the polite thing to do is to just not ask. But the other player is really not doing anything wrong by asking, even if it breaches a privacy we're used to having.
I agree in wishing there was an opt-out, but I've literally had no problems with it ever.PC-NA
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remosito✭✭✭✭✭amm7sb14_ESO wrote: »@AngryOldManAngryOldMan wrote: »... What settings do i need to adjust to protect my precious loot from prying eyes? If its not something i can adjust in settings, which Add-On is hiding my highly valued loot? If there aint an Add-On yet, can someone please make it so i can have my beloved loot for myself? ...
Sorry to say that, but you can do nothing about that.
ZoS coded the game to have your loot information broadcasted to your group members. So, no "Loot Blocker" addon is possible at your side as the game server sends the information about all the drops (yours included) directly to other players (and your client is out of these communication paths (from server to other clients) and cannot affect that anyhow) .
Unless the Game-makers change the existing mechanics to add you controls upon the said server behaviour, you are helpless.
The game doesn't broadcast loot. An add-on does.
And I agree with OP. I hate it. Its very rude for other people to be seeing my inventory and asking for gear.
you are wrong. it is zos game code that makes the dropped loot info availabke to all party members.
the addon simply displays that info.
You are wrong. Game does not make the dropped loot info available to all party members, this info is hidden from them and only displays with third party programm, as you said in the next line.
white = white, black = black and addon displaying hidden server info to party members is not the same as game displaying info to party members. Obviously. Hidden, because you do not see it normally.
nope. there are a lot of server messages that zos does not share. those are hidden. and no addon can display them because bo addon has access to them.
these zos just never bothered, got around to display themselves. figured addonmakers will do a good job of it for free. loot drops are simply not visible in base game.
very different.
if zos wanted to they could truly hide loot drop info from team members by the game not sharing it anymore.
they dont which clearly says it's intended.
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KalyanLazair✭✭✭✭The problem I see here is that it can be very uncomfortable for people who are socially awkward or who struggle with saying no. Sure, they will say no, but the reason this issue comes up from time to time is precisely because it affects them emotionally. For some it can be very emotionally intense to face such a situation. Even if they say no (because you learn) it still affects you, so just telling them to say no and get on with it is not going to ease how they feel. That is not a solution for them.
I think a perfect solution would be a type of addon that does the reverse, that is, allow the player whether they want to broadcast their loot or not. With such an addon it would allow people to broadcast their loot only if they want to, and with whom they want to.
For the record, this is not part of the vanilla game and the evidence is that my game does not broadcast anyone's loot for me to see. I've been playing since 2016 and it wasn't until last year that I learned of its existence when I looted some purple recipe from a random container at MHK and suddenly someone asked me if they could have it. I literally screamed on the voice comms how in Oblivion they knew what I had. I was shocked, and a bit uncomfortable to be sure, but I got over it even if I don't like it very much (aside from when I'm delving with my friends, I'm talking about random strangers peeking into my loot). I don't expect everyone to be like I am which is why I believe the people who have voiced their discomfort should be at least listened to. I don't think it is fair to tell them; "just say no" because that might not be as easy as you think.5 -
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✭✭KalyanLazair wrote: »The problem I see here is that it can be very uncomfortable for people who are socially awkward or who struggle with saying no. Sure, they will say no, but the reason this issue comes up from time to time is precisely because it affects them emotionally. For some it can be very emotionally intense to face such a situation. Even if they say no (because you learn) it still affects you, so just telling them to say no and get on with it is not going to ease how they feel. That is not a solution for them.
I think a perfect solution would be a type of addon that does the reverse, that is, allow the player whether they want to broadcast their loot or not. With such an addon it would allow people to broadcast their loot only if they want to, and with whom they want to.
For the record, this is not part of the vanilla game and the evidence is that my game does not broadcast anyone's loot for me to see. I've been playing since 2016 and it wasn't until last year that I learned of its existence when I looted some purple recipe from a random container at MHK and suddenly someone asked me if they could have it. I literally screamed on the voice comms how in Oblivion they knew what I had. I was shocked, and a bit uncomfortable to be sure, but I got over it even if I don't like it very much (aside from when I'm delving with my friends, I'm talking about random strangers peeking into my loot). I don't expect everyone to be like I am which is why I believe the people who have voiced their discomfort should be at least listened to. I don't think it is fair to tell them; "just say no" because that might not be as easy as you think.
If I run CoA with someone and a BSW inferno drops, someone will ask me because they saw it. I will say no. If they don't use the add on and they ask "does anyone have one" I will still say no. The end result is that I am saying "no" either way.
For the record, I'd give it away. I had it several times over before the sticker books come out.
I'll present another scenario, because this is the one that matters to me. We go dungeoneering. I get a ton of drops, none of which I need. I can't think of a single piece of gear that I truly need and of those I have easy access to. Without checking your book, how would know if I had anything you needed?
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remosito✭✭✭✭✭KalyanLazair wrote: »The problem I see here is that it can be very uncomfortable for people who are socially awkward or who struggle with saying no. Sure, they will say no, but the reason this issue comes up from time to time is precisely because it affects them emotionally. For some it can be very emotionally intense to face such a situation. Even if they say no (because you learn) it still affects you, so just telling them to say no and get on with it is not going to ease how they feel. That is not a solution for them.
I think a perfect solution would be a type of addon that does the reverse, that is, allow the player whether they want to broadcast their loot or not. With such an addon it would allow people to broadcast their loot only if they want to, and with whom they want to.
For the record, this is not part of the vanilla game and the evidence is that my game does not broadcast anyone's loot for me to see. I've been playing since 2016 and it wasn't until last year that I learned of its existence when I looted some purple recipe from a random container at MHK and suddenly someone asked me if they could have it. I literally screamed on the voice comms how in Oblivion they knew what I had. I was shocked, and a bit uncomfortable to be sure, but I got over it even if I don't like it very much (aside from when I'm delving with my friends, I'm talking about random strangers peeking into my loot). I don't expect everyone to be like I am which is why I believe the people who have voiced their discomfort should be at least listened to. I don't think it is fair to tell them; "just say no" because that might not be as easy as you think.
a lot of things are uncomfortable or emotionally difficult for different ppl in mmos.
it is fair to just say "do lfg/lfm" in zone chat to say kill wb. or get arena groups. even though that is uncomfortable to me.
mmos should't be saved down to the least common denominator.I know of my issues. and i know they dont gel always well with mmos. when joining eso I knew there would be times emotionally difficult or where I'd feel uncomfortable. I signed up for that. The mmo shouldn't have to bend around my intricacies.
you cant handle saying no to that degree. dont pug. and join a guild that is specialized in people for whom social things or physical control of input devices can be difficult. one used to regularly post in the friday guild thread. not sure if they still do.Edited by remosito on March 18, 2021 11:28PMShutYerTrap (selectively mute NPC dialogues (stuga, companions); displayleads (antiquity leads location); UndauntedPledgeQueuer (small daily undaunted dungeon queuer window)1 -
KalyanLazair✭✭✭✭Agenericname wrote: »KalyanLazair wrote: »The problem I see here is that it can be very uncomfortable for people who are socially awkward or who struggle with saying no. Sure, they will say no, but the reason this issue comes up from time to time is precisely because it affects them emotionally. For some it can be very emotionally intense to face such a situation. Even if they say no (because you learn) it still affects you, so just telling them to say no and get on with it is not going to ease how they feel. That is not a solution for them.
I think a perfect solution would be a type of addon that does the reverse, that is, allow the player whether they want to broadcast their loot or not. With such an addon it would allow people to broadcast their loot only if they want to, and with whom they want to.
For the record, this is not part of the vanilla game and the evidence is that my game does not broadcast anyone's loot for me to see. I've been playing since 2016 and it wasn't until last year that I learned of its existence when I looted some purple recipe from a random container at MHK and suddenly someone asked me if they could have it. I literally screamed on the voice comms how in Oblivion they knew what I had. I was shocked, and a bit uncomfortable to be sure, but I got over it even if I don't like it very much (aside from when I'm delving with my friends, I'm talking about random strangers peeking into my loot). I don't expect everyone to be like I am which is why I believe the people who have voiced their discomfort should be at least listened to. I don't think it is fair to tell them; "just say no" because that might not be as easy as you think.
If I run CoA with someone and a BSW inferno drops, someone will ask me because they saw it. I will say no. If they don't use the add on and they ask "does anyone have one" I will still say no. The end result is that I am saying "no" either way.
For the record, I'd give it away. I had it several times over before the sticker books come out.
I'll present another scenario, because this is the one that matters to me. We go dungeoneering. I get a ton of drops, none of which I need. I can't think of a single piece of gear that I truly need and of those I have easy access to. Without checking your book, how would know if I had anything you needed?
There is actually a difference in the emotional pressure you feel if the other person doesn't know you have a certain item than if they actually know they do, even in both cases the outcome is the same. The person suffering from this problem might not want to give the inferno staff away, and might want to avoid an uncomfortable situation by saying; "no, it didn't drop on me" or by not saying anything at all. However, if the other person knows that you have it, the emotional response will get triggered, and it is not something you can control.
Like I stated my friend uses it, I don't, I just toss the stuff into the chat and let him choose, or we do it in the trade window directly. It is useful, but just because I think it is useful and we use it, and just because I am capable of saying no to a random stranger, doesn't make me unaware of people who might feel uncomfortable with such an addon, which is why I believe their concerns are very valid, because their emotions are very real.4 -
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✭✭✭We had threads like this one before.
The general gist was:
- There are players who hate it when someone is asking for loot at the start of the dungeon, so they will purposefully destroy anything they might have needed. There are even more who just don't remember.
- There are players who hate it when players see what they pick up during the dungeon, and will purposefully destroy anything they might have needed.
- There are players who immediately leave group and never bother to link drops at the end of a dungeon - because you know, whoever wanted something could've used a loot-sharing addon and asked during the run.
So next time you join a dungeon, please make sure the group knows which kind of obnoxious behaviour will float your personal boat.
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DrScott59✭✭✭I use the addon in question. Why? I just find it interesting to see what drops.
If I'm looking for certain gear, I try to "announce" that at the beginning of the dungeon -- i.e., "/p Looking for XXX if anyone gets one they don't need."
I usually repeat that request at end of dungeon. I may know (via the addon) that someone got one, but for all I know they need/want it just as bad as me -- so if they don't respond, they don't respond.
I am not ENTITLED to anything that dropped for anyone else! If they give me something, that's great, but I don't expect it.
And the same works in reverse.... If someone TELLS me I should be giving them some piece of gear, they get the equivalent of a one-finger salute as I leave the group + instance. If they know (or don't know) I have it, ask nicely, and I don't need it -- then they get it.
I do find the "Trade" dialog/process cumbersome. I wish there was some easier way... Like selecting a piece of gear, right-clicking it and choosing "transfer to group member @XXXXXX" or something. The trade window is a PIA for me!
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✭✭✭✭✭"If anyone using group loot asks me for an item that I haven't linked/offered in chat, I will automatically destroy it from my inventory on principle."
Problem solved.ALL HAIL SNUGGLORR THE MAGNIFICENT, KING OF THE RNG AND NIRN'S ONE TRUE GOD! Also, become a Scrub-scriber! SJ Scrubs: Playing games badly to make you feel better about yourself.2
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