How can i hide my stuff for the Group-Loot Add-On

Sheezabeast · March 2021

Go offline before you group so you don't get whispered, then ignore group chat.

Eiagra · March 2021

I have an addon that parses group loot, but I try to be polite when I see loot. I'll either not mention anything (in mixed company), congratulate them for the find (especially if it's a good one), or I'm with people who we're loot grinding together with so the knowledge of what we each have doesn't matter -- and we always respect the "I need what I found" claim, since we're all looking for different things together.

If your group is being rude or demanding or entitled, a simple "Sorry, I need this / need this on another character," should shut them down. If it doesn't, then there's no need around to stick around for that garbage. Find brighter pastures.

robertthebard · March 2021

zvavi wrote: »

The add-on is such a time saver. If I see a piece I really want, I will whisper asking if they need it, regardless of answer, "have a nice day thnx for the run bye bye."
PS: i will never see eye to eye with the people against this add-on, since our beliefs on the matter are different, while I believe the loot is shared loot and sharing it if it is not needed is common courtesy (after all, it has their name on it too) they believe that the loot is exclusively theirs, example:

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

This type of "What's yours is mine" mentality is all the more reason not to play in a group, AFAIC.

If we rolled for it, then yes. Otherwise, no. Group loot, traditionally, gets rolled on, Need, Greed, Pass usually. That's not what happens here.

SilverBride · March 2021

zvavi wrote: »

I believe the loot is shared loot

What gives you that idea?

Ryuvain · March 2021

I hate that add-on for one reason: it's not optional. It should only work with others in the group who also use it.
If I don't want to message 5 people about a drop in group, then why would I want 5 of them whispering me about a drop in a group?

Sure, I would probably use it when playing with friends, but the amount of annoying messages I get from pugs aren't worth it. Believe it or not they get salty when denied, and that whole interaction didn't have to happen if it was optional.

SilverBride · March 2021

Ryuvain wrote: »

I hate that add-on for one reason: it's not optional. It should only work with others in the group who also use it.

Maybe someone should suggest that to the person who developed this add on.

Starlock · March 2021

You can play on consoles where cheats/add-ons are not allowed. That's the only way to avoid it.

LoneStar2911 · March 2021

Who said anyone was obligated to do anything?? Do people really feel attacked when asked a question about loot?

PaddyVu · March 2021

AngryOldMan wrote: »

I am an angry old man who find it very intruding when my random group members ask for stuff i have looted, and not linked in chat. If i dont want to share with them, why should the Add-On do it? Where is my right to keep loot a secret? What settings do i need to adjust to protect my precious loot from prying eyes? If its not something i can adjust in settings, which Add-On is hiding my highly valued loot? If there aint an Add-On yet, can someone please make it so i can have my beloved loot for myself?

They called it group content for a reason, if u dont want to share, just say " i need it for my build or collection ". Trying to find an addon to hide your loot just make u become a selfish player.

SilverBride · March 2021

LoneStar2911 wrote: »

Do people really feel attacked when asked a question about loot?

Yes. When something drops for you that only you should be able to see and you immediately get multiple whispers begging for it, yes it can feel like being ganged up on.

robertthebard · March 2021

PaddyVu wrote: »

AngryOldMan wrote: »

I am an angry old man who find it very intruding when my random group members ask for stuff i have looted, and not linked in chat. If i dont want to share with them, why should the Add-On do it? Where is my right to keep loot a secret? What settings do i need to adjust to protect my precious loot from prying eyes? If its not something i can adjust in settings, which Add-On is hiding my highly valued loot? If there aint an Add-On yet, can someone please make it so i can have my beloved loot for myself?

They called it group content for a reason, if u dont want to share, just say " i need it for my build or collection ". Trying to find an addon to hide your loot just make u become a selfish player.

Really? Wanting to keep what you get private, as the game intended, since it doesn't announce loot, or make us roll on it, is "selfish". Damn, I was thinking it was playing the game the way it was designed.

SilverBride · March 2021

PaddyVu wrote: »

They called it group content for a reason, if u dont want to share, just say " i need it for my build or collection ". Trying to find an addon to hide your loot just make u become a selfish player.

Group content doesn't translate to group loot.

We don't need an addon to hide our loot because the game hides it by default. What the OP wants is a way to keep others from peeking into his bag and acting like they have a right to take anything they want.

Those are the players who are being selfish, because they keep their own loot and take yours, too.

LoneStar2911 · March 2021

SilverBride wrote: »

LoneStar2911 wrote: »

Do people really feel attacked when asked a question about loot?

Yes. When something drops for you that only you should be able to see and you immediately get multiple whispers begging for it, yes it can feel like being ganged up on.

1. I think your definition of “beg” must be different than mine. I seriously doubt many people literally “beg”. Asking a question once, or even twice, isn’t begging.

2. You’re doing GROUP content where the loot is marked as group loot (tradable among group members) for a period of time. If ZOS didn’t want players to work together and share if they’re willing, the gear would be immediately bound to whoever picked it up. But it’s not. You’re doing group content with other real people, where the loot is made tradable for good reason. [snip]

3. If you seriously feel “ganged up on”, there are ways to remedy that. You can change your status to offline and/or put the bully on your ignore list.

This is an MMO. You’re playing with other people. [snip]

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SilverBride · March 2021

LoneStar2911 wrote: »

If ZOS didn’t want players to work together and share if they’re willing, the gear would be immediately bound to whoever picked it up.

Whoever received the loot has the option to trade it if they choose. It's their loot so it's their choice. It's up to them to offer if they choose. If ZoS had intended for people to ask for someone else's loot they would show the drops in chat.

Skullstachio · March 2021

Word of advice: you don’t like addons, get a console. API is usually restricted in a way that prevents mods and addons from causing problems like the one your having @AngryOldMan. best part is, no addons, no problem.

#ConsoleMasterRace

SilverBride · March 2021

LoneStar2911 wrote: »

Stop wasting time complaining about an addon and go to the source. Request or make a petition to have ZOS block the API so that addons can’t read or report other players’ loot.

That is exactly what the OP made this thread to do, and I support him.

xaraan · March 2021

There is no way to hide your loot drops from the group (unless you leave the group before looting the final boss, but they'd only not see that specific loot).

I personally don't care if someone looks at my loot, but if they assume they should have something just because they want it then I tend to take issue. Like a random in a dungeon the other day said they were looking for hircine and just came up to me at the end and selected trade expecting me to give it to them. That's a bit far IMO. There was no request, no checking to see what I didn't need (esp now with stickerbook).

But if they see and ask and are willing to accept a "sorry, im keeping it" without throwing a fit, then I have no problem. That's what I'd do, in fact, my requests are always "if you don't need it, I'm looking for XX item" and that's if it's a friend. If it's strangers, I just say I'm looking for items of a set and let them volunteer, even if I know they got the drops.)

You could do what I do sometimes if you think someone is being too pushy and just say, sorry, I already bound it for my collections when I picked it up.

LoneStar2911 · March 2021

SilverBride wrote: »

LoneStar2911 wrote: »

Stop wasting time complaining about an addon and go to the source. Request or make a petition to have ZOS block the API so that addons can’t read or report other players’ loot.

That is exactly what the OP made this thread to do, and I support him.

Actually, they’re asking for an addon that blocks other’s view of their loot to be made.
Which I doubt is possible because I imagine the addons would have to be able to send information to each other, which would probably mean the addon authors of each addon would have to work together, assuming the API even allows addons to “talk” to each other. Pretty sure any info gathered by ESO addons are getting their info from the server only.

So.... that means the only way to have this remedied is to make requests to ZOS to block the API of loot info being shared. But that would also break so many other addons from working, [snip]

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MaxWacksem · March 2021

Sergykid wrote: »

so much ignorance.
most people do not ever bother to post in chat the items they do not need. Why would anyone do, anyway? with this addon i can just see if you get something i need.
if you don't want to give it, fine. End of story and good luck.
if however you don't need it, thanks to this addon i know you got it and i know that i can ask you for it.
it happened so many times for me that i got items when i whispered someone, even repeated because they didn't see the message, even if posted in group chat, even when they left the group, simply because i knew they got it.

stop assuming that anyone is demanding anything from you. This addon just shows information, doesn't give entitlement. And don't tell me you never needed something from a dungeon, and asked the others to give it to you if they got it.
this addon just shortens the time for everyone, and helps everyone in completing their needed items. Whoever feels invaded by sharing their loot information just doesn't understand its utility.

also, if you say in chat at the start that you need whatever, by the end of the dungeon anyone forgets and nobody bothers to scroll up thinking "what did that guy need?". And even if you ask, how many people will bother searching through their inventories for you?

The point is You do NOT have the right to look in my bag. I do not care how convenient it is for you, I respect your privacy please respect mine.

LoneStar2911 · March 2021

AngryOldMan wrote: »

If its not something i can adjust in settings, which Add-On is hiding my highly valued loot? If there aint an Add-On yet, can someone please make it so i can have my beloved loot for myself?

He’s looking for an addon to solve his issues with an addon.

rpa · March 2021

If someone needs some loot I do not I'll gladly give it to them but they better have the addon and ask for it. I typically do not pay any attention to my loot before I'm emptying my inventory back at town.

Djennku · March 2021

The thing you have to remember is that your loot is none of their business, and you have every right to what you pick up. Its your loot not theirs. Some people are just rude and you should not need to concern yourself with them.

renne · March 2021

AngryOldMan wrote: »

I am an angry old man who find it very intruding when my random group members ask for stuff i have looted, and not linked in chat. If i dont want to share with them, why should the Add-On do it? Where is my right to keep loot a secret? What settings do i need to adjust to protect my precious loot from prying eyes? If its not something i can adjust in settings, which Add-On is hiding my highly valued loot? If there aint an Add-On yet, can someone please make it so i can have my beloved loot for myself?

Just ignore or reply with "no." They're not entitled to your loot any more than they're entitled to a "I want it for an alt/my stickerbook/etc" explanation as a way of saying no.

jm42 · March 2021

I think addons like this must be banned. If I didn't link loot in chat myself - it means that I do need it myself, why ppl are so annoying and really think that if they whisper me then I will go "Oh sure I don't need my false god fire staff feel free dude". That's stupid. And I cannot understand people trhat are replying here like "explain to them that you need it". Why should anyone even bother if people with addons basically broke into their pockets

robertthebard · March 2021

LoneStar2911 wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

LoneStar2911 wrote: »

Do people really feel attacked when asked a question about loot?

Yes. When something drops for you that only you should be able to see and you immediately get multiple whispers begging for it, yes it can feel like being ganged up on.

1. I think your definition of “beg” must be different than mine. I seriously doubt many people literally “beg”. Asking a question once, or even twice, isn’t begging.

2. You’re doing GROUP content where the loot is marked as group loot (tradable among group members) for a period of time. If ZOS didn’t want players to work together and share if they’re willing, the gear would be immediately bound to whoever picked it up. But it’s not. You’re doing group content with other real people, where the loot is made tradable for good reason. [snip]

I've got a better idea. I'll tell them no, and if they persist, I'll report them for harassment.

4. If you seriously feel “ganged up on”, there are ways to remedy that. You can change your status to offline and/or put the bully on your ignore list.

This is an MMO. You’re playing with other people. [snip]

It is an MMO, and I am playing with other people, and isn't it ironic that this wasn't an issue until someone decided that they needed to be able to see what loot their party members were getting. Is it envy? Is it being mad that someone was getting something they weren't? Who knows, but if ZoS had intended the loot to be known by all, it would have been made that way from the start. I played MMOs in 2005 that listed every item that dropped in a party. You could even roll with Master Looter, and get all the loot yourself to distribute how you saw fit. Of course, those groups weren't very popular, and there was the ideal Round Robin setting. But just because the loot is tradeable in the group doesn't mean everyone in the group needs to know someone dropped something they want.

Also, while out in public, I've never had anyone lean in and say "I like your shoes, give them to me". So I'm not sure where you're trying to go with that? Also, more accurately for this conversation, they've never asked me for the contents of my wallet.

Lintashi · March 2021

This addon is really useful, great time saver. I can instantly see items, that are not collected yet. I never whisper random people for their loot, even if I need it, just message in group chat about needing it. But when I go with my group, this addon is extremely useful, since we do not need to show in trade window every single item we got from all three pledges+rnd to each member of the group.

AyaDark · March 2021

The same i think such addons is : Cheating !

First of all:
I DO NOT LOOT bosses ! I have no empty space.
So if you need some thing - ASK before the run. And i will try to loot it and give it, if I do not need it.

Second - it is " harrasment " and somepeople can steal it !

Yes ! Once I help one player to get some stuff but some bad man do trade in right moment so i make mistake and give it to another. IT IS CHEATING.

It is privat information players must not see !

And IF T-Baging is "harrasment", it is even more harrasment and + it is cheating ! So or BAN for it or make it possible to make this privat !!!

PaddyVu · March 2021

SilverBride wrote: »

PaddyVu wrote: »

They called it group content for a reason, if u dont want to share, just say " i need it for my build or collection ". Trying to find an addon to hide your loot just make u become a selfish player.

Group content doesn't translate to group loot.

We don't need an addon to hide our loot because the game hides it by default. What the OP wants is a way to keep others from peeking into his bag and acting like they have a right to take anything they want.

Those are the players who are being selfish, because they keep their own loot and take yours, too.

Then it's up to ZOS, hide loot but tradeable? They called it " communicate " , that's why it called " group content ", addon allow that u dont need to ask everyone which loot they have, if ZOS want to hide loot, make them untradeable, problem solved !

p00tx · March 2021

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[snip] and it's not about entitlement. If you need the drop yourself, you're 100% within your rights to tell the person no and keep the item. No one is arguing to the contrary. I said, and I quote "and you don't need it, why not just give it to them?". I clearly stated the item should be only be shared if it meets those conditions. If not, it's a non-issue. Keep your virtual treasures. I read this entire chain of comments, mostly because I've been frustrated by the rude behavior of players in random dungeon queues who patently ignore me when I give a friendly "Hey all! I'm looking for <item>. If you don't need it yourself, I'd greatly appreciate it", then they get the drop, I private message them, and they leave group and continue to ignore me. No matter how someone feels about the addon, there's no need to treat people like that. Many people in this thread have specifically stated they would keep the item out of spite and even decon it just to avoid sharing it. [snip]

[edited to remove quoted content and baiting]

AyaDark · March 2021

Is their spam addon that makes spam to that addon, that it will be impossible to use it ???

Like ton of text, impossible to read spam in that addon ?

I think it will be good solution.