iMuz86 wrote: »

...would summoning / walking around with a daedra be considered "bad/evil" from a town guard/townsfolk/lore perspective?

It's a little suspect, but not actually illegal. If there was enough dialog reactivity, it would make sense for some people to be freaked out by your pet extra-dimensional monstrosity, especially as some of the more superstitious types don't understand how sorcery is distinct from necromancy.

Also it is heavily suggested that sorcs are engaging in Faustian bargains (based on their passives.) But, it's not actually illegal.

Whether it's evil or not is an entirely different question, and one that TES is usually unwilling to address. I mean, we area talking about a series where the Morag Tong were, effectively, "good," in spite of being politically backed assassins. (Morag Tong membership, and promotions awarded Fame instead of Infamy.)

If I was the mayor of a city like Mournhold or Wayrest. I'd outlaw them just because of the excessive amount of them in my town. Summoning minor daedra might not be considered illegal in Tamriel overall. Maybe taboo to some extent within certain cultures or regions. But if a city had to deal with an influx of Mages and Sorcerers that insisted on bringing their little troublesome minions into town at the same time. I cant see them ignoring it and not trying to regulate it.

I like to think it would be one of those "you cant bring your dog into this store, sir" kind of things. Despawning them at the gates or upon wayshrining in would do the trick. From there the player just has to avoid spawning them in while in the city limits.

Nope.

Summoning daedra is a common practice for mages and not illegal except in Summerset.

They could add "desummon" areas near crafting stations, though, but that would work for all pets like warden bear. It wouldn't be in the whole city either, because a lot of cities has quests in them that requires fighting.

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Sorcery_is_Not_Necromancy!

"A mage of supreme power and erudition such as myself may be called upon to exercise his skills in almost any corner of farflung Tamriel, so for a native of Morrowind I am widely traveled. Thus I can tell you with the authority of personal experience that petty local officials, regardless of race or culture, are universally suspicious and ill-informed. "A sorcerer, eh?," they say. "Well, we'll have none of your raising the dead in this jurisdiction, is that understood?"

I cannot tell you how many times I have been subjected to some variation of the above conversation. These ignorant and self-important functionaries have no conception whatsoever of distinctions within the arcane arts. As far as they are concerned, every manipulator of magicka is just waiting for midnight before skulking off to the cemetery to animate the corpses of their neighbors and ancestors.

Imbeciles. Fools. BUREAUCRATS.

Now, it is true, of course, that conjuration is a common tool of sorcery, and we sorcerers often resort to summoning aid from Oblivion when a problem is best solved by judicious application of vicious brute force. It is also true that summoning Daedric spirits to possess and animate corpses, or calling up the souls of the dead for information or other services—in short, necromancy—is a subset of the art of conjuration, albeit inherently distasteful and degrading. However, to infer from this that all sorcerers are de facto necromancers as well is false, misleading, and libelous.

That said, everyone was young once, and it's typical of youth to experiment with things dangerous and forbidden. It is long since I was a lad in Tel Aruhn, and my memory of the early First Era is inexact, but it's just possible that as an apprentice I may have tried out an animation spell or two—never on corpses of anyone I knew, of course (or at least, nobody I knew well), and never for long. To my recollection.

So, at any rate, I know whereof I speak when I say to you: sorcery and necromancy—there IS a difference."

If necro summons are illegal idk how is running around with a literal demon seen as OK.

A daedra is a little bit like an exotic beast. If you have it properly leashed and under control, there is no problem with it. If you can barely control it, you will get into trouble. If you summon it and let it run loose, you are in big trouble.

Summoning Daedra is not illegal, unlike Daedra worship which is illegal in some parts of Tamriel. Summoning Daedra does not equate Daedra worship though.

In a way it is no more illegal than destruction magic is. It all depends on how you use it. In contrast to that, Necromancy is illegal because it always uses the bodies or souls of the relative of someone, which many people are uncomfortable with.

Sorc pets are not an issue, and should not be illegal. Quite a few quests take place in towns, so sorcs should be able to use those abilities there.

Vampires should also be able to sell to merchants, and not have any criminal skills as well. As there are multiple quests in the game where the good person is a vampire.

Summoning Daedra has never been a crime in any other TES game, not even in TES IV when the Oblivion Gates are spewing invading daedra all over the place.

So even lore-wise, no, it's not a crime.

If the sight of daedra really bothers you, try asking ZOS to:
- make the despawn method easier/more obvious
- let twilight land and bears lie down when their player isn't moving
- make it so pets and NPCs can't block access to containers (dude who stands in the middle of the Vivec Writ boxes, I'm looking at you)

VaranisArano wrote: »

Summoning Daedra has never been a crime in any other TES game, not even in TES IV when the Oblivion Gates are spewing invading daedra all over the place.

So even lore-wise, no, it's not a crime.

If the sight of daedra really bothers you, try asking ZOS to:
- make the despawn method easier/more obvious
- let twilight land and bears lie down when their player isn't moving
- make it so pets and NPCs can't block access to containers (dude who stands in the middle of the Vivec Writ boxes, I'm looking at you)

Or make them autosummon when entering combat, disappear when out of combat, and hard-castable on demand out of combat for a limited time unless combat starts to allow roleplay or ability showcasing.

And while we are on the topic of bears, make bears and Ezabi path differently so your own bear isn't blocking your own banker.

It probably would if the Dominion won the war; the same can be said for the Covenant. Fight for the Pact

They could add "desummon" areas near crafting stations, though, but that would work for all pets like warden bear. It wouldn't be in the whole city either, because a lot of cities has quests in them that requires fighting.

I agree!

Aertew wrote: »

BlueRaven wrote: »

There are quests in towns that involve deadra. There is a vendor in craglorn who is an actual deadra. The hollow city, a city that worshipped meridia and hircine openly, had to have come from somewhere.
While what you say makes sense for Summerset, it does not make sense for all areas.

Also adding a penalty like this for an established class will not go down well.

Where's the vendor in craglorn thats a daedra?

Krrztrrb is the Belkarth furnishing vendor, he's in the crafting building.