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New player question: Why so much emphasis on Staves in this game?

Prestimion48
Prestimion48
Soul Shriven
Hello, I just started ESO a couple weeks ago. I've been trying out classes, races, following build guides, trying to absorb the information overload - I'm down for the challenge to learn a new game. But I just have to ask...why is everyone forced to use a staff??? Virtually every build guide I read, particularly for any magicka build, requires a staff. Or "on this bar I have these weapon/shield combos and on this other bar I have...a staff." Tanks, healers, support, damage dealers. Everyone must use the same weapon. The lowly staff. Particularly if you want to be viable on the top end.

Having played many fantasy role playing games since beta of Everquest, including many years of Skyrim, I've never played a game that forces every player to use one particular weapon. Thoroughly unimaginative if you ask me, not to mention immersion killing. You don't tank a boss mob with a staff. You don't backstab with a staff. You don't block massive attacks with a staff. Unless you are Gandalf. So is everyone just a glorified wizard in this game?

I simply don't get why that 2h piece of wood, that you get in the tutorial at level 1, is the end-all weapon for every single class, race, and play style combo. If you are going to program a vital game mechanic, as ESO has, called Destruction and Resurrection magic, and require that every single character use it or be gimped, why on earth would you force the use of one single weapon? In my opinion (which admittedly doesn't count) it would be much more immersive if the two game mechanics were not limited to a staff, but were an attribute you could apply to any weapon at all. For that matter, why have any other weapon in the game at all? If you must use a staff, what's the point of wasting all your programming resources and dev time on weapons that people will only consider secondarily, or end up turning into crafting materials?

I don't want to use a staff at all. And so I humbly ask the community...am I missing something? I want to go Sword and Board/2H sword with a tank. I want to dual wield and shoot a bow with a damage dealer. I want to sneak around and backstab opponents. I don't want to be a wizard. Wizards don't backstab, last time I heard.

Can someone suggest a potentially end-game (or at least close) build that doesn't use a staff at all and doesn't require me to put points into Destruction Staff? I really like every other aspect of the game so far, but this one is just rubbing me the wrong way. Maybe this isn't the game for me. Hoping for some encouraging (i.e. non trolling) responses.
  • WoppaBoem
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    I want to go Sword and Board/2H sword with a tank. I want to dual wield and shoot a bow with a damage dealer.

    You can do this no problem, I havent touched a staff for years now. Keep going to CP 160 then make you tank and keep building experience and move to DD, 2H or Dualwield with bow is the way to go for stam DD. Keep at it.
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  • GreenHere
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    It's just the de facto magic weapon is all. They're used on magicka damage/healer builds just because of the way the game is balanced, but you can get by without them; especially now with recent changes to Dual Wield that give somewhat more hybrid-y bonuses.

    Tanks use staff back bar mostly because it enables easy uptime on certain debuffs (Crusher enchant, mostly), but that can be done with a Bow too; the damage over time from certain skills in those weapons' skill lines makes it auto reapply Glyphs' effects even when not on said bar. AFAIK, neither 2H nor 1H&S have that ability, sadly.

    What you say you want to do, with the non-staff skill lines, is totally viable. Stamina builds don't really use staves, by and large. Honestly it just sounds like you were looking up the wrong builds; magicka builds are super popular & beginner friendly, so I'm not surprised you're seeing a lot of them.

    Try searching "[Class you're interested in] Stamina Build" on whatever your favorite info channel is, and see if you don't find stuff more to your liking! :)
  • VaranisArano
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    It's because weapons align to your resources. Staff skills cost magicka to use, return magicka when Heavy attacking, and their light attack damage scales from your amount of magicka.

    Other weapons cost Stamina to use, return Stamina when heavy attacking, and their light attack damage scales from the amount of Stamina.

    This creates the split between Magicka Builds and Stamina Build. So you'll often hear things like MagSorc and Stam Sorc, or MagDK and StamDK. If you don't want to use a staff, you might look for the Stamina builds. Every class has a Stam build.

    My tank is a MagDK who uses 1hand&Shield for her main weapon and a Destruction Staff as her backbar weapon. This ensures that I can always heavy attack if I need magicka or stamina.
  • Vevvev
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    Because they boost magic builds by a lot, kinda like how physical weapons boost stamina builds. Battle mages exist in lore but the game mechanics of ESO don't truly support hybrids. While the recent changes are a step to making that style of play work the game still requires specialization.

    Also why would a pure mage use anything other than a staff? You expecting them to wield a flammable spell book they only need to read once?
    PC NA - Ceyanna Ashton - Breton Vampire MagDK
  • VaranisArano
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    Vevvev wrote: »
    Because they boost magic builds by a lot, kinda like how physical weapons boost stamina builds. Battle mages exist in lore but the game mechanics of ESO don't truly support hybrids. While the recent changes are a step to making that style of play work the game still requires specialization.

    Also why would a pure mage use anything other than a staff? You expecting them to wield a flammable spell book they only need to read once?

    Hey, scrolls are fun!

    Then again, scrolls were one of the easiest ways to create a certain glitch in TES IV, so maybe we'd better not open that can of worms...
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  • Vevvev
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    Vevvev wrote: »
    Because they boost magic builds by a lot, kinda like how physical weapons boost stamina builds. Battle mages exist in lore but the game mechanics of ESO don't truly support hybrids. While the recent changes are a step to making that style of play work the game still requires specialization.

    Also why would a pure mage use anything other than a staff? You expecting them to wield a flammable spell book they only need to read once?

    Hey, scrolls are fun!

    Then again, scrolls were one of the easiest ways to create a certain glitch in TES IV, so maybe we'd better not open that can of worms...
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    Yeeeeaaaaaaah..... Let's forget about them... :#

    I honestly never used Scrolls due to their consumable nature since I'm the kind of person that carries a million potions "just in case".
    PC NA - Ceyanna Ashton - Breton Vampire MagDK
  • Prestimion48
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    Thanks for the replies. I've found some Stamina builds and will try them out. Maybe I'll do a Magicka Templar to see how the other half lives. Sadly, I found one list of the top damage dealing builds in the game. All Magicka. Literally the top 7 builds. Looking at them - all staff oriented (thus my point - everyone is a wizard of sorts IMHO). Doesn't seem balanced if you ask me.

  • Elsonso
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    I find myself wondering where you are looking where this is the "game that forces every player to use one particular weapon". Where ever that is, find a different place. :smile:

    Swords, daggers, axes, and bows work best with stamina favoring builds, since they use stamina.
    Destruction staff uses magicka, so they are better for builds that favor magicka.
    You will not find balanced hybrid builds between magicka and stamina, due to how those resources work.

    Every class can be used with both magicka and stamina favoring builds. You can have staff wielding Dragonknights as well as sword wielding ones. You can have sword wielding Sorcerers.

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  • Vevvev
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    Thanks for the replies. I've found some Stamina builds and will try them out. Maybe I'll do a Magicka Templar to see how the other half lives. Sadly, I found one list of the top damage dealing builds in the game. All Magicka. Literally the top 7 builds. Looking at them - all staff oriented (thus my point - everyone is a wizard of sorts IMHO). Doesn't seem balanced if you ask me.

    Get into PVP and it's all stamina builds. Being a light armor magicka person in that environment is hard as heck to make work due to just how efficient stamina builds are at killing people.
    PC NA - Ceyanna Ashton - Breton Vampire MagDK
  • danno8
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    Just to add here, with the new update and changes to CP (specifically the loss of the CP stars that increase physical/elemental damage) a magica build can now use dual wield or 2 handed weapons (and maybe even bow for range) very effectively.

    The only real downside is heavy attacks not returning the correct resource, but with the extra health from the update most people have switched over to max resource/resource recovery food, neglecting health altogether.
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