The market is fluid and the economy is healthy. The changes to Cyrodiil has had a negative impact on prices for some sets but the sticker book has had a positive impact on those same sets. Players that never bothered to collect a sword, axe or dagger on magicka based sets now want that gear.

If you plan ahead you can make a lot of gold. React to changes after they happen and you are going to have less opportunity for profits. That is the way any economy works.

If you can sit on the gear for six months and ZoS decides to revert the changes you could be sitting on a lot of gold. I hold motifs that drop during events for several months. Sometimes it pays sometimes it doesn't.

Part of the point of events dropping motifs and thus depressing the prices is so that new players have a chance to acquire those motifs without paying an arm and a leg.

It's no mistake that the motif rewards were added to the Anniversary Jubilee after the outfit station was introduced.

Don't think that ZOS is going to massage the economy solely so sellers can set a high price for their goods. ZOS usually wants stuff like motifs to be accessible to new players - whether that's via running the content or buying it for relatively cheaper prices after an event.

I can't help but interpret the motif part of this post as "ZOS, why are you cutting into my profits?!"

It's their game, and they care about the buyers too.


(I say this as someone who dropped my old stock of Hollowjack out on the market prior to the Witches Festival last year, figuring that was the highest the price was going to be for a long while. LOL, I did not reckon with ZOS deciding to not re-release Hollowjack in the regular rewards and thus missed a healthy chunk of profit. Market swings happen, you know?)

VaranisArano wrote: »

Part of the point of events dropping motifs and thus depressing the prices is so that new players have a chance to acquire those motifs without paying an arm and a leg.

It's no mistake that the motif rewards were added to the Anniversary Jubilee after the outfit station was introduced.

Don't think that ZOS is going to massage the economy solely so sellers can set a high price for their goods. ZOS usually wants stuff like motifs to be accessible to new players - whether that's via running the content or buying it for relatively cheaper prices after an event.

I can't help but interpret the motif part of this post as "ZOS, why are you cutting into my profits?!"


(I say this as someone who dropped my old stock of Hollowjack out on the market prior to the Witches Festival last year, figuring that was the highest the price was going to be for a long while. LOL, I did not reckon with ZOS deciding to not re-release Hollowjack in the regular rewards and thus missed a healthy chunk of profit. Market swings happen, you know?)

Personally, I’d just bought all the motifs that then existed in game at their pre-2018 prices in the month or two before that Jubilee was announced. For a player who’d been in game less than a year at that point and who only had one character, all that gold was the vast majority of my bank, and I could have saved most of it had I known they were going to change the event rewards so enormously just weeks later. I think it’s great that new players find the motifs more accessible now, but I’m still a little put out for my own sake thinking back about the atrocious timing with respect to my wallet, even if I’m not hurting for gold so much anymore.

Especially as someone who joined after One Tamriel, though, I understand that I’ve benefitted from changes to the game that made it easier for me to accomplish what players before me had worked hard to do. Just like with the new CP scale, where newer players will get to my current CP several times faster than it took me, and I will reach higher CP faster than people before me. I don’t begrudge others these catch-up mechanics, even as I struggle a bit to reconcile the fact that my old XP didn’t go nearly as far as new players’ will with the knowledge that I get to benefit too. The game changes like that, and we make the best of it. Now I know to store my Jubilee rewards on my 18 alts and wait for the right moment to sell, and figuring out what’s worth the wait is an interesting challenge. Play and learn, right?

virtus753 wrote: »

Kwoung wrote: »

First off, the events are bad enough. Every time we have one some subset of items go from supporting some players through niche sales, to becoming completely worthless. This has been going on forever, affecting numerous motif lines and particular gear sets. Now we have 5-6 months of no-proc Cyrodiil... Considering there are only a dozen or so sets used in PVE regularly and the other 600 or so sets are worthless to use for the most part... PVP was the only reason they sold at all, since there are a far greater number of varied builds used in that activity. Now they are worthless as well into the foreseeable future.

After the dust settles from this Monday's changes, I am pretty sure the market for most gear set items will completely tank, and this will quite negatively affect a great number of players who made their gold this way, either purposefully or accidentally through questing in the zone containing those sets. These sort of massive market changes really need to stop. The only event that gets it right seems to be Jubilee, in which any motif can drop I think, so the market doesn't get flooded with any particular line or two of them.

To clarify about the Jubilee: crown-exclusive motifs can’t drop, nor can event-exclusive motifs or recipes (except Worm Cult, which is a Jubilee motif). In addition to motifs, almost all recipes drop, as does the Mythic Ambrosia cipher.

Ironically, the first Jubilee that had these motif and recipe drops absolutely tanked the market on almost all of them, and most have never recovered. Purple tri-stat food recipes used to go for 25-30k before the Jubilee started dropping them (PC-NA). Now they’re maybe 5-6 in the lead-up to the Jubilee, and they’ll go back down afterwards. Most motifs never got close to their original values, with a few rare exceptions (Minotaur comes to mind). The motif and recipe market fluctuates with the Jubilee now, but on the whole prices are severely depressed compared to before Jubilee 2018. That doesn’t look like it’s changing anytime soon, although we haven’t yet gotten the details of this year’s event confirmed.

Actually, the recipe market didn't crater until a year later, and I may have caused a lot of that with this post:

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/456990/praxis-clockwork-control-panel-single

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

virtus753 wrote: »

Kwoung wrote: »

First off, the events are bad enough. Every time we have one some subset of items go from supporting some players through niche sales, to becoming completely worthless. This has been going on forever, affecting numerous motif lines and particular gear sets. Now we have 5-6 months of no-proc Cyrodiil... Considering there are only a dozen or so sets used in PVE regularly and the other 600 or so sets are worthless to use for the most part... PVP was the only reason they sold at all, since there are a far greater number of varied builds used in that activity. Now they are worthless as well into the foreseeable future.

After the dust settles from this Monday's changes, I am pretty sure the market for most gear set items will completely tank, and this will quite negatively affect a great number of players who made their gold this way, either purposefully or accidentally through questing in the zone containing those sets. These sort of massive market changes really need to stop. The only event that gets it right seems to be Jubilee, in which any motif can drop I think, so the market doesn't get flooded with any particular line or two of them.

To clarify about the Jubilee: crown-exclusive motifs can’t drop, nor can event-exclusive motifs or recipes (except Worm Cult, which is a Jubilee motif). In addition to motifs, almost all recipes drop, as does the Mythic Ambrosia cipher.

Ironically, the first Jubilee that had these motif and recipe drops absolutely tanked the market on almost all of them, and most have never recovered. Purple tri-stat food recipes used to go for 25-30k before the Jubilee started dropping them (PC-NA). Now they’re maybe 5-6 in the lead-up to the Jubilee, and they’ll go back down afterwards. Most motifs never got close to their original values, with a few rare exceptions (Minotaur comes to mind). The motif and recipe market fluctuates with the Jubilee now, but on the whole prices are severely depressed compared to before Jubilee 2018. That doesn’t look like it’s changing anytime soon, although we haven’t yet gotten the details of this year’s event confirmed.

Actually, the recipe market didn't crater until a year later, and I may have caused a lot of that with this post:

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/456990/praxis-clockwork-control-panel-single

At one point you couldn’t even give that thing away. I have to wonder if someone messed up the drop rate that first year. It’s actually making a bit of a comeback now that it didn’t drop in every other coffer last time!

orion_1981usub17_ESO wrote: »

Items to farm and sell for hefty profit= mothers sorrow, crafty aliq, spriggan, spinners, impregnable. Crafting materials.

Items to craft and sell for hefty profit = julianos, hounding, shacklebreaker, brass. Potions and poisons are more important in no proc... craft lots of those and sell them.

Sell dungeon runs to direfrost for hulking drauger or mazz for amberplasm.

There, you just corned the no proc preparation market.

Maybe not RoM just now — apparently there’s a major bug with Xal-Nur and his geysers.

inked1 wrote: »

Sangwyne wrote: »

Those players were able to find a niche selling specific sets considered strong in PvP to players. Now the sets that are strong (i.e. the only 19 sets that we can use) have merely changed, with Shacklebreaker likely becoming the dominant choice. The players will still be able to carve out a niche for themselves in the market selling sets, but the accessibility of these sets has been greatly increased, with the Castle Thorn DLC no longer being required for Crimson for example.

I must have missed something. What do you mean about castle thorn no longer being needed to get the crimson twilight set?

CT is still required to get Crimson, but Crimson is not fully functional in Cyrodiil. So CT is no longer something Cyro players will want to farm for set gear for the next two quarters. The 19 fully functional sets are more readily accessible on the whole than Crimson (excepting Amber Plasm right now).

Kiralyn2000 wrote: »

Kwoung wrote: »

After the dust settles from this Monday's changes, I am pretty sure the market for most gear set items will completely tank, and this will quite negatively affect a great number of players who made their gold this way, either purposefully or accidentally through questing in the zone containing those sets.

MMOs change constantly, through expansions, patches, balance changes, etc. The player-driven economy can never be "counted on" as a steady & unchanging source of income. That's never been true in any MMO I've played, why should it be here?

(pretty sure the set book is also greatly effecting the sale price & demand for non-crafted set pieces. If someone can just make new copies for their alts, instead of having to farm or buy stuff from you.... /shrug That's life in an MMO economy.)

Really?

MMos change??

I had no idea