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THANK YOU ZENIMAX FOR KEEPING PROCS OUT!!!
Nyladreas
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I am super happy and heavily grateful this decision has been made! I can't tell you how much my game time has improved simply because of procs ceasing to exist in Cyrodiil.
It finally shows where skill lies in PvP and greatly highlights where buffs and nerfs are long overdue on all the classes.
Now the only thing you need to do is balance the classes properly and then slowly start re-adding and re-adjusting all the non-damaging proc sets back into the game to allow for more theorycrafting.
For clarification:
Sets like New Moon Acolyte are FINE.
Sets like Crimson/Vateshran are NOT.
TLDR; Thank you for keeping pvp fair! Rebalance classes next, then pure stat sets, then re-add them.
Edited by Nyladreas on March 8, 2021 9:46AM It finally shows where skill lies in PvP and greatly highlights where buffs and nerfs are long overdue on all the classes.
Now the only thing you need to do is balance the classes properly and then slowly start re-adding and re-adjusting all the non-damaging proc sets back into the game to allow for more theorycrafting.
For clarification:
Sets like New Moon Acolyte are FINE.
Sets like Crimson/Vateshran are NOT.
TLDR; Thank you for keeping pvp fair! Rebalance classes next, then pure stat sets, then re-add them.
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Banetek✭✭✭I am super happy and heavily grateful this decision has been made! I can't tell you how much my game time has improved simply because of procs ceasing to exist in Cyrodiil.
It finally shows where skill lies in PvP and greatly highlights where buffs and nerfs are long overdue on all the classes.
Now the only thing you need to do is balance the classes properly and then slowly start re-adding and re-adjusting all the non-damaging proc sets back into the game to allow for more theorycrafting.
For clarification:
Sets like New Moon Acolyte are fine.
Sets like Crimson/Vateshran are NOT.
TLDR; Thank you for keeping pvp fair! Rebalance classes next, then pure stat sets, then re-add them.
I agree but would allow procs from Monster sets only + 5 piece non proc bonuses2 -
finehair✭✭✭✭Since the no proc server didn't actually improve lag situation some sets should be allowed, mostly no damage proc ones like seducer, chudan, willow's path, slimecraw, troll king etc etc.
Then once they are out in the field, they should be tweaked to balance them out better, since considering the sets above only, troll king would be the meta for most classes and other sets would be useless like they used to in pvp.
But considering zos, they would just nerf troll king in this case instead of making other sets usable.
What other thing that could be tried; is to make certain few sets work better for certain classes. For example; ysgramor set is already a frost damage based set. Which would work better with warden since the class has a lot of frost based skills.
So add a tooltip that says something like "if you are a warden, your frost spells cost %10 less" etc.
Ashen grip; "If you are a dragonknight, flame damage also knocks down the enemies in area"
It opens a lot of opportunities for sets, but it would be much harder to tweak/balance and much harder to decide which set is for which class. Also it doesn't mean every set must have a class bonus, it's just certain sets that are compared to weaker to new dlc sets and have a sensible bonus that mirrors the class itself.
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kind_hero✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭So I wasted 500k AP for a Caalu ring?
I wanted to use this set (haven't before) not just for pvp, but in general.
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huntgod_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yup thank you for removing 95% of the gear in this game from Cyrodil and alleviating the need to ever purchased another DLC or play the other 95% of the game.
For the record, I have no horse in this fight :-P I do however wish all the gear I've accumulated and turned gold weren't suddenly worthless in Cyrodil.
This also makes PVP far less accessible for a lot of entry level
players...--- HuntGod ---
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AhSeLYaG✭✭✭huntgod_ESO wrote: »Yup thank you for removing 95% of the gear in this game from Cyrodil and alleviating the need to ever purchased another DLC or play the other 95% of the game.
For the record, I have no horse in this fight :-P I do however wish all the gear I've accumulated and turned gold weren't suddenly worthless in Cyrodil.
This also makes PVP far less accessible for a lot of entry level
players...
+1 to this and about class rebalancing of original topic just Wait a few decades2 -
Tranquilizer✭✭✭✭huntgod_ESO wrote: »Yup thank you for removing 95% of the gear in this game from Cyrodil and alleviating the need to ever purchased another DLC or play the other 95% of the game.
For the record, I have no horse in this fight :-P I do however wish all the gear I've accumulated and turned gold weren't suddenly worthless in Cyrodil.
This also makes PVP far less accessible for a lot of entry level
players...
Disagree strongly with that. The working sets are very easy to obtain, all are either crafted, overland or base game dungeon sets. No mythic items and no monster sets also mean more accessibility, not less. New player have to farm less before being competitive gear wise.
What made pvp less accesible to new players is the reduced group size (new players can't protect themselves in large groups) and the group-only healing (what has thankfully been reverted by ZOS).12 -
AhSeLYaG✭✭✭We ve wayy less incentive now to farm for anything ;to go dungeons to buy new dlcs ; trying to get mythics ; to renew our subscription. Make a julianos set. Get some trainee armor from strosmkai ; get willpower from daily random normal thats it.
Great way to save money. Ty ZOSEdited by AhSeLYaG on March 8, 2021 10:18AM1 -
merevie✭✭✭✭✭I give it two weeks for those gleeful about their 'skills' to learn that perhaps this isn't what they wanted after all. Zone chat on Dc anyway, has been full of tales of Big Names who now Die Very Very Fast.
Sadly that is not true of every big name...some of the actually incredibly talented ones are now decimating everyone. Shyboo, can I pay you off? :P
Pvp is accessible to new players when they join a group who know what they are doing and who help them figure out their own playstyle/setup.
It's not about being carried along in a pack of 24, spamming regen for 3yrs, then coming out the other side still as canon fodder. That is still continuing anyway with the bigger factions who are using 'everyone will heal me' as mass protection in siege pushes.Edited by merevie on March 8, 2021 10:28AM1 -
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✭✭✭THANK YOU ZENIMAX FOR KEEPING PEOPLE OUT!!!
Finally we can safely PvE in Cyro because the PvP community leaves in droves.6 -
KhajiitLivesMatter✭✭✭✭I am super happy and heavily grateful this decision has been made! I can't tell you how much my game time has improved simply because of procs ceasing to exist in Cyrodiil.
It finally shows where skill lies in PvP and greatly highlights where buffs and nerfs are long overdue on all the classes.
Now the only thing you need to do is balance the classes properly and then slowly start re-adding and re-adjusting all the non-damaging proc sets back into the game to allow for more theorycrafting.
For clarification:
Sets like New Moon Acolyte are FINE.
Sets like Crimson/Vateshran are NOT.
TLDR; Thank you for keeping pvp fair! Rebalance classes next, then pure stat sets, then re-add them.
wow beacause 5sets where unbalanced 100+ get removed what a [Snip] change
instead of balancing removing content is the wrong way to go
[Edited for profanity bypass]Edited by ZOS_Volpe on March 10, 2021 4:44PM5 -
biminirwb17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭How many sets were actually being used in Cyrodiil prior to the no proc decision? My guess is that 80% of players were using similar builds for their roles (tank healer dps.) the other 20% were there to get transmute stones or level the skill line.
The risk v reward aspect of going damage or defense was a part of pvp that had all but vanished. Now we get to have similar sets for a while, but there are still many ways to augment them, glyphs attributes etc. now have to be thought about.
Plus with the armor changes and CP2.0 there is a lot to decide on.
Anyhoo I will still be killin lots of folk on my Magblade.0 -
Nyladreas✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭KhajiitLivesMatter wrote: »I am super happy and heavily grateful this decision has been made! I can't tell you how much my game time has improved simply because of procs ceasing to exist in Cyrodiil.
It finally shows where skill lies in PvP and greatly highlights where buffs and nerfs are long overdue on all the classes.
Now the only thing you need to do is balance the classes properly and then slowly start re-adding and re-adjusting all the non-damaging proc sets back into the game to allow for more theorycrafting.
For clarification:
Sets like New Moon Acolyte are FINE.
Sets like Crimson/Vateshran are NOT.
TLDR; Thank you for keeping pvp fair! Rebalance classes next, then pure stat sets, then re-add them.
wow beacause 5sets where unbalanced 100+ get removed what a [Snip] change
instead of balancing removing content is the wrong way to go
Did you even read it? 😇Edited by ZOS_Volpe on March 10, 2021 4:44PM0 -
AhSeLYaG✭✭✭My healer. Eternal vigor. Wild hunt. Bright throat. Now gone?
My stam dk. New moon bone pirate. Malacath. Now gone?
My magblade. Spell strategist. Caluurion. Wild hunt Now gone?
My magplar. War maiden grotharr now gone? List goes on with magwarden stam sorc etc .
İ believe this decision of zos might be the worst of their history. İnstead of tuning a few sets that were really disturbing pvp and a few classes / werewolf with max hp based heals theyre killing %90 of sets. Goodluck with that!!!
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Nyladreas✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I give it two weeks for those gleeful about their 'skills' to learn that perhaps this isn't what they wanted after all. Zone chat on Dc anyway, has been full of tales of Big Names who now Die Very Very Fast.
Sadly that is not true of every big name...some of the actually incredibly talented ones are now decimating everyone. Shyboo, can I pay you off? :P
Pvp is accessible to new players when they join a group who know what they are doing and who help them figure out their own playstyle/setup.
It's not about being carried along in a pack of 24, spamming regen for 3yrs, then coming out the other side still as canon fodder. That is still continuing anyway with the bigger factions who are using 'everyone will heal me' as mass protection in siege pushes.
Can confirm that some big names are dropping like flies now while others are not. Certainly proves my point about skill truly showing. Also see a lot of wannabe big names dropping. You know, those that *** talk you and always ask for duels cause they know their sets carry them.
It's extremely refreshing. I used to get mad almost every day cause of some people, because I knew, from reading their movement and skill pattern, that they shouldn't do even nearly as good. Now I only get mad if lag or the game messes it up for me.Edited by Nyladreas on March 8, 2021 11:04AM5 -
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✭Instead of balancing classes just exclude certain ones from cyrodiil. They can still go to BGs and sewers though. Finally this game will be about skills.1 -
Valgar0r✭✭✭Let's remove all sets from pvp and play only with a bucket and a broom instead
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✭enable Chudan for Acatosh sake already! It isn't proc set lol
i can hardly agree that Bright Throat is a proc set, but Chudan...Edited by mocap on March 8, 2021 12:24PM0 -
Incursion✭✭✭Most were not proc sets new moon, seducer and automaton to name a few were disabled to see if that would help performance, it didnt...0 -
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✭✭I am super happy and heavily grateful this decision has been made! I can't tell you how much my game time has improved simply because of procs ceasing to exist in Cyrodiil.
It finally shows where skill lies in PvP and greatly highlights where buffs and nerfs are long overdue on all the classes.
Now the only thing you need to do is balance the classes properly and then slowly start re-adding and re-adjusting all the non-damaging proc sets back into the game to allow for more theorycrafting.
For clarification:
Sets like New Moon Acolyte are FINE.
Sets like Crimson/Vateshran are NOT.
TLDR; Thank you for keeping pvp fair! Rebalance classes next, then pure stat sets, then re-add them.
Nods in agreement.
Innate Axiom is also fine.1
