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ZOS might not bring back proc sets into pvp ever again
Here's what ZOS has said about bringing back proc after six months:
Notice they never said they are bringing proc sets back. They said they are going to have the flexibility.
So your proc sets may never work again, and all the money you spent to buy DLC and farm proc sets will be gone.
Edited by LoveForElderScrolls on March 6, 2021 8:13PM ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »we’ll be leaving proc sets disabled until Update 31 launches in Q3. At that point, we will have implemented some new code so we can have more flexibility to campaign rulesets as it applies to proc sets.
Notice they never said they are bringing proc sets back. They said they are going to have the flexibility.
So your proc sets may never work again, and all the money you spent to buy DLC and farm proc sets will be gone.
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✭✭✭✭✭I feel damage proc sets deserve it, but no one complained about stat based proc sets , which do not deserve to be disabled.11 -
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✭✭ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »
we’ll be leaving proc sets disabled until Update 31 launches in Q3. At that point, we will have implemented some new code so we can have more flexibility to campaign rulesets as it applies to proc sets.
I think that new code sounds very interesting for the future. Applying rulesets would be an good alternative to disabling proc sets altogether.1 -
UntouchableHunter✭✭✭✭They could give us a non proc set campaign right now and solve all this messy that they are doing.1 -
AuraNebula✭✭✭✭✭A proc set only campaign is the only way to fix this. I do not want to be limited to 19 builds. If people want to be limited to 19 builds give them their own no proc Cyrodiil.
Splitting up the player base would also help with lag. The select few that are happy about this change can play the way they want. And the rest of the playerbase can enjoy the game as was intended.5 -
UntouchableHunter✭✭✭✭Princessrhaenyra wrote: »A proc set only campaign is the only way to fix this. I do not want to be limited to 19 builds. If people want to be limited to 19 builds give them their own no proc Cyrodiil.
Splitting up the player base would also help with lag. The select few that are happy about this change can play the way they want. And the rest of the playerbase can enjoy the game as was intended.
Exactly, we spent years and money farming and building sets, traits, we did trials, dungeons, everything and now we can use the sets?
There is a solution, they can do this now if they want,.4 -
AuraNebula✭✭✭✭✭Princessrhaenyra wrote: »
You have that completely backwards.
I think you do.
We can agree to disagree.1 -
Aleinzzs✭✭✭Princessrhaenyra wrote: »
You have that completely backwards.
gonna have to disagree, wolfpaw you got it backwards. most real pvp players don't care about proc sets in the long run as long as they get consistent semi lag free pvp, if they find some noob thats unable to be killed, they move onto the next target. Least thats what everyone i've ever seen running around solo say. If anything i feel like it's the noobs that even in proc sets couldnt kill the players who had a clue and wore proc sets. so it was still a l2p issue.
Too many noobs think proc sets are the end all, too many noobs rely heavily on proc sets, just let the *** be and let us pvp. the constant changes are happening due to all the keyboard warriors on the forums.2 -
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✭✭That's now how it reads to me at all.
Meaning: They will no longer be disabled after U31.we’ll be leaving proc sets disabled until Update 31 launches in Q3.
They'll be able to tweak campaign rules better in the future, as relate to proc sets. You're not tweaking rules of proc sets if you turn them off.At that point, we will have implemented some new code so we can have more flexibility to campaign rulesets as it applies to proc sets.
The message to me is that they'll be able to 'battle spirit' some proc set effects, and optionally on a campaign-by-campaign basis.
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Daemonai✭✭✭✭Princessrhaenyra wrote: »
I've never heard PvE players complain about procs, and the monsters they are fighting don't care about getting Zaan'd. This is a PvP problem, obviously.
Also, most of the PvP acquired sets are garbage
so that argument doesn't make sense.
Edited by Daemonai on March 6, 2021 9:07PM1 -
CSose✭✭✭✭Princessrhaenyra wrote: »
These changes are happening because someone at ZOS wants it. Not because players are happy with the restrictions and having dozens of gold gear sets being rendered useless as well as all the time it took to farm them.Edited by CSose on March 6, 2021 9:02PM0 -
CSose✭✭✭✭Princessrhaenyra wrote: »
You have that completely backwards.
gonna have to disagree, wolfpaw you got it backwards. most real pvp players don't care about proc sets in the long run as long as they get consistent semi lag free pvp, if they find some noob thats unable to be killed, they move onto the next target. Least thats what everyone i've ever seen running around solo say. If anything i feel like it's the noobs that even in proc sets couldnt kill the players who had a clue and wore proc sets. so it was still a l2p issue.
Too many noobs think proc sets are the end all, too many noobs rely heavily on proc sets, just let the *** be and let us pvp. the constant changes are happening due to all the keyboard warriors on the forums.
These changes are happening because someone at ZOS wants it. Not because players are happy with the restrictions and having dozens of gold gear sets being rendered useless as well as all the time it took to farm them.4 -
Aleinzzs✭✭✭Princessrhaenyra wrote: »
You have that completely backwards.
gonna have to disagree, wolfpaw you got it backwards. most real pvp players don't care about proc sets in the long run as long as they get consistent semi lag free pvp, if they find some noob thats unable to be killed, they move onto the next target. Least thats what everyone i've ever seen running around solo say. If anything i feel like it's the noobs that even in proc sets couldnt kill the players who had a clue and wore proc sets. so it was still a l2p issue.
Too many noobs think proc sets are the end all, too many noobs rely heavily on proc sets, just let the *** be and let us pvp. the constant changes are happening due to all the keyboard warriors on the forums.
These changes are happening because someone at ZOS wants it. Not because players are happy with the restrictions and having dozens of gold gear sets being rendered useless as well as all the time it took to farm them.
And someone at zos wants it because someone bitched about it in game/on the forums, the devs took that bitching and turned it into an idea. And as we've seen for years, the devs usually take the worst ideas and run with em.
TBH i think ZOS is just trying to kill pvp, they copied DAOC's pvp format then decided to not put any real time or effort behind pvp, now it's flopping and zos cant make up their minds about anything. It's honestly a joke at this point.4 -
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✭Ill find a new game. The pvp will be too dumbed down to maintain a level of fun. If I knew the direction they were going to take I would have saved a ton of money. With such a limited set of gear I won't even need a crafter bag (ESO Plus). Why do any PVE at all once you get skills leveled up and those sets? Wasted so much time on Mythics as well. Good lord I could have learned another language with the time wasted doing that lol.Edited by Dr_Ganknstein on March 6, 2021 9:37PM7 -
YandereGirlfriend✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Dr_Ganknstein wrote: »Ill find a new game. The pvp will be too dumbed down to maintain a level of fun. If I knew the direction they were going to take I would have saved a ton of money. With that limited set I woun't even need a crafter bag (ESO Plus). Why do any PVE at all once you get skills leveled up and those sets? Wasted so much time on Mythics as well. Good lord I could have learned another language with the time wasted doing that lol.
Indeed, it's basically the plot from The Incredibles movies - if everyone is super then nobody is super - and we're all left zerging around in mediocrity.1 -
CSose✭✭✭✭Princessrhaenyra wrote: »
You have that completely backwards.
gonna have to disagree, wolfpaw you got it backwards. most real pvp players don't care about proc sets in the long run as long as they get consistent semi lag free pvp, if they find some noob thats unable to be killed, they move onto the next target. Least thats what everyone i've ever seen running around solo say. If anything i feel like it's the noobs that even in proc sets couldnt kill the players who had a clue and wore proc sets. so it was still a l2p issue.
Too many noobs think proc sets are the end all, too many noobs rely heavily on proc sets, just let the *** be and let us pvp. the constant changes are happening due to all the keyboard warriors on the forums.
These changes are happening because someone at ZOS wants it. Not because players are happy with the restrictions and having dozens of gold gear sets being rendered useless as well as all the time it took to farm them.
And someone at zos wants it because someone bitched about it in game/on the forums, the devs took that bitching and turned it into an idea. And as we've seen for years, the devs usually take the worst ideas and run with em.
TBH i think ZOS is just trying to kill pvp, they copied DAOC's pvp format then decided to not put any real time or effort behind pvp, now it's flopping and zos cant make up their minds about anything. It's honestly a joke at this point.
No. Someone at ZOS wants the changes because it's less money going to rent server capacity.3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭LoveForElderScrolls wrote: »Here's what ZOS has said about bringing back proc after six months:ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »we’ll be leaving proc sets disabled until Update 31 launches in Q3.
"Disabled until" implies "reenabled at that time."I've fought mudcrabs more fearsome than me!0 -
Sangwyne✭✭✭✭✭
✭LoveForElderScrolls wrote: »So your proc sets may never work again, and all the money you spent to buy DLC and farm proc sets will be gone.
Edited by Sangwyne on March 6, 2021 9:34PM2 -
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Wrong, its 3x6 active Cyrodil server. Renting more powerful ones would be much much cheaper than all the mess they do and is pretty expensive. The other activities like Trials, dungeons, BG and overland zones are not server limited so you run many on one server, overland is limited by crowding and client performance in hubs because too many players to render for potatoes. Yes some services like login and dungeon and BG finder has problems on high load but this is probably code.Princessrhaenyra wrote: »
You have that completely backwards.
gonna have to disagree, wolfpaw you got it backwards. most real pvp players don't care about proc sets in the long run as long as they get consistent semi lag free pvp, if they find some noob thats unable to be killed, they move onto the next target. Least thats what everyone i've ever seen running around solo say. If anything i feel like it's the noobs that even in proc sets couldnt kill the players who had a clue and wore proc sets. so it was still a l2p issue.
Too many noobs think proc sets are the end all, too many noobs rely heavily on proc sets, just let the *** be and let us pvp. the constant changes are happening due to all the keyboard warriors on the forums.
These changes are happening because someone at ZOS wants it. Not because players are happy with the restrictions and having dozens of gold gear sets being rendered useless as well as all the time it took to farm them.
And someone at zos wants it because someone bitched about it in game/on the forums, the devs took that bitching and turned it into an idea. And as we've seen for years, the devs usually take the worst ideas and run with em.
TBH i think ZOS is just trying to kill pvp, they copied DAOC's pvp format then decided to not put any real time or effort behind pvp, now it's flopping and zos cant make up their minds about anything. It's honestly a joke at this point.
No. Someone at ZOS wants the changes because it's less money going to rent server capacity.
Grinding just make you go in circles.
Asking ZoS for nerfs is as stupid as asking for close air support from the death star.0 -
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✭✭Princessrhaenyra wrote: »
You have that completely backwards.
gonna have to disagree, wolfpaw you got it backwards. most real pvp players don't care about proc sets in the long run as long as they get consistent semi lag free pvp, if they find some noob thats unable to be killed, they move onto the next target. Least thats what everyone i've ever seen running around solo say. If anything i feel like it's the noobs that even in proc sets couldnt kill the players who had a clue and wore proc sets. so it was still a l2p issue.
Too many noobs think proc sets are the end all, too many noobs rely heavily on proc sets, just let the *** be and let us pvp. the constant changes are happening due to all the keyboard warriors on the forums.
A few perks for a no "proc" sets in Cyrodiil,
1. Better/manageable long-term class combat balance with a limited choice of sets to use in PvP.
2. Increased Skill>Proc/gear combat.
3. ZOS could grow the "PvP" set list by releasing balanced no-proc/PvP catered sets with content updates.
4. Less time "farming" in PvE land fluff, & more time for PvP.
5. Less of an impact on PvP from PvE content releases.
I hope this stays, & ZOS finally begins to find additional ways to distance PvP from PvE.
Edited by Wolfpaw on March 6, 2021 10:04PM1 -
AuraNebula✭✭✭✭✭Princessrhaenyra wrote: »
I've never heard PvE players complain about procs, and the monsters they are fighting don't care about getting Zaan'd. This is a PvP problem, obviously.
Also, most of the PvP acquired sets are garbage so that argument doesn't make sense.
I'm just going based off of what I am reading and most of these comments are saying that this will make the game more accessible.
All PvEr's do is complain about how hard Cyrodiil is. There is a post almost daily.
Or about how unfair it is that they don't get kills because they refuse to have defensive stats and want to be offensive only.
I never hear that every single proc set is over performing from any pvpers. Certain sets yes, so why not name those sets? Werewolves are over performing, but that's not a set. Harbingers is annoying but can be countered as can most of the sets, but people are unwilling to try an alter their builds to fit.
So now we have 19 sets because people can't learn to cope. 19 sets that's it. It is overkill because a few sets aren't working as intended.
You want 19 sets? Then I suggest you ask ZoS to make a special campaign just for no procs. Then you never have to play with people who like build diversity ever again.
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Ranger209✭✭✭✭✭I feel damage proc sets deserve it, but no one complained about stat based proc sets , which do not deserve to be disabled.
People have been complaining about stat sets for years. What do you think has driven the tank meta for so long? They just stopped complaining about them when these new proc sets came into being. If they removed only those, the complaints about the stat sets would start right back up. Wait until people start shouting for shacklebreaker and spinners nerfs in the next 6 months.0 -
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