How much damage do competent DDs in PVP ?

fxeconomisteb17_ESO · February 2021

That would be, the damage dished out before it arrives on the target's shields and mitigation systems including Battle Spirit.

SgtNuttzmeg · February 2021

That's really difficult to gauge as how much damage skills do vary wildly. Alot of the damage is tied to burst too. Your best bet is to find a meta build use UESP build editor to compare buffed tool tips. Treat proc sets as if they are extra skills or dots that are seperate.

Another good metric is dualing another player and asking them if they feel pressured. A good set up will be able to kill an enemy while still giving you the tools to sustain and survive the fight. But this is tough because it is tied to skill level.

Ultimately I would use the later as a guide for how much damage you do.

Beardimus · February 2021

What's the goal you are after as PvP kills aren't about DPS stats, alot more to it in terms of burst, types of target you are taking on, resource Mgmt (attack and defence) timing, rotation etc etc

fxeconomisteb17_ESO · February 2021

Beardimus wrote: »

What's the goal you are after as PvP kills aren't about DPS stats, alot more to it in terms of burst, types of target you are taking on, resource Mgmt (attack and defence) timing, rotation etc etc

I wanna know how much damage I have to be able to take as a tank, cause for sure I won't be able to damage too much myself...

Vevvev · February 2021

I found that being able to deal 45k DPS on the Precursor dummy is enough to kill the average player but not enough to kill a tank. Of course this DPS has to be applied once the target is stunned because as long as they can block and heal you won't be able to kill them even if they're a glass cannon alone unless they're wearing like.... A mishmash of green uncompleted sets.

In PVP for tanking the current answer seems to be 40k+ HP and a health scaling heal. Trying to use heals that scale off max mag/stam or missing health are not very effective in the end. Also you need plenty of block cost reduction if you plan to not line of sight to mitigate damage.

fxeconomisteb17_ESO · February 2021

Vevvev wrote: »

I found that being able to deal 45k DPS on the Precursor dummy is enough to kill the average player but not enough to kill a tank. Of course this DPS has to be applied once the target is stunned because as long as they can block and heal you won't be able to kill them even if they're a glass cannon alone unless they're wearing like.... A mishmash of green uncompleted sets.

In PVP for tanking the current answer seems to be 40k+ HP and a health scaling heal. Trying to use heals that scale off max mag/stam or missing health are not very effective in the end. Also you need plenty of block cost reduction if you plan to not line of sight to mitigate damage.

Sure, if you scale on heals on mag/stam means points were invested there instead of health, reducing the health pool...

Vevvev · February 2021

fxeconomisteb17_ESO wrote: »

Vevvev wrote: »

I found that being able to deal 45k DPS on the Precursor dummy is enough to kill the average player but not enough to kill a tank. Of course this DPS has to be applied once the target is stunned because as long as they can block and heal you won't be able to kill them even if they're a glass cannon alone unless they're wearing like.... A mishmash of green uncompleted sets.

In PVP for tanking the current answer seems to be 40k+ HP and a health scaling heal. Trying to use heals that scale off max mag/stam or missing health are not very effective in the end. Also you need plenty of block cost reduction if you plan to not line of sight to mitigate damage.

Sure, if you scale on heals on mag/stam means points were invested there instead of health, reducing the health pool...

Correct, however there is a healthy balance I found. My magDK is kinda glassy but adding just a bit more health till I'm about 26-28k means I have enough health to survive a gank and enough magicka to use Coagulating Blood to get back to full health. PVP is about finding that sweet spot between offense and defense so you can stay fighting and be able to repel anyone that comes your way. Building too tanky without proper heals makes you easy prey for the experienced PVPer and the opposite is true where building too glassy leads you to being prey for gankers looking for that <23k HP person in the crowd.

WabanakiWarrior · March 2021

PVP damage dealing isn't about Damage Per Second, numbers from a target dummy won't help too much (maybe for pure burst numbers, but once you start factoring in multiple opponents, there are way too many factors to consider)
My advice would be to jump into IC and test your build live. Stand on a capture point like the district flags and force multiple opponents to try their best to kill you, otherwise they'll just ignore you. IC is prob your best bet though, that way you'll be able to respawn, try new gear/skill set ups and get back into combat again quickly.

fxeconomisteb17_ESO · March 2021

WabanakiWarrior wrote: »

PVP damage dealing isn't about Damage Per Second, numbers from a target dummy won't help too much (maybe for pure burst numbers, but once you start factoring in multiple opponents, there are way too many factors to consider)
My advice would be to jump into IC and test your build live. Stand on a capture point like the district flags and force multiple opponents to try their best to kill you, otherwise they'll just ignore you. IC is prob your best bet though, that way you'll be able to respawn, try new gear/skill set ups and get back into combat again quickly.

Barely wait for U29 to launch live. Will see then...

Brrrofski · March 2021

It entirely depends on the target.

There's far too many factors to consider for a standard answer to this.

Glass cannon mag sorc or NB that don't shod/evade damage - like 8k.

50k health necro with full defensive sets, and knows how to play? You probably won't kill him in a 1v1.

joseayalac · March 2021

Work on the fluidity of your burst combos, not on your dps.

relentless_turnip · March 2021

Without players I test a PvP build in 2 ways.

How quickly I can burst a fairly tanky mob like something that has double the health of a player. As on most builds the aim is how much damage you can do over 1-3 seconds.

I test its survivability by fighting a difficult world boss. The werewolves in a western Skyrim are a popular one for me. When I fight them I monitor how much I can stay on the offensive compared to how often I am having to actively heal, as oppose to relying on heal over times etc... Your incoming heals and mitigation should be enough to allow you to stay on the front bar.

Of course the best way is just to take yourself into PvP. Duelling can be a good indicator if the opponent isn't built for duelling. What I mean is duelling builds are built to soak up a lot of damage and return a lot. I generally duel members of my guild who are spec'd for open world pvp.

WoppaBoem · March 2021

50K+ burst easy before all shizzle is taken off. Sub ass, dizzy, medium heavy into dawnbreaker

GRXRG · March 2021

fxeconomisteb17_ESO wrote: »

Beardimus wrote: »

What's the goal you are after as PvP kills aren't about DPS stats, alot more to it in terms of burst, types of target you are taking on, resource Mgmt (attack and defence) timing, rotation etc etc

I wanna know how much damage I have to be able to take as a tank, cause for sure I won't be able to damage too much myself...

Just for saying tank in pvp makes me cringe.
Who plays tank in pvp is just a lame player sorry to say that. Just unfun to play against and completely useless.
It's like a pvp geared guy tries to combo burst bosses in trials or dungeons, i don't think you would like it, so please don't tank in pvp.

fxeconomisteb17_ESO · March 2021

GRXRG wrote: »

fxeconomisteb17_ESO wrote: »

Beardimus wrote: »

What's the goal you are after as PvP kills aren't about DPS stats, alot more to it in terms of burst, types of target you are taking on, resource Mgmt (attack and defence) timing, rotation etc etc

I wanna know how much damage I have to be able to take as a tank, cause for sure I won't be able to damage too much myself...

Just for saying tank in pvp makes me cringe.
Who plays tank in pvp is just a lame player sorry to say that. Just unfun to play against and completely useless.
It's like a pvp geared guy tries to combo burst bosses in trials or dungeons, i don't think you would like it, so please don't tank in pvp.

It's like I would say "please don't CC me". CC takes all the fun of PVP. It's like nothing matters, from the equipment, from the skills... it's just being CCed. So yeah, this is how I discovered tanking.