I suppose everyone will think his own class will be the worst, but here I go

Sorcerer get a cost reduction of 6% (not much, but still nice)
A return of your least used resources (you read that right .. it's mostly useless, except in fringe pvp / hybrid builds)
A return in magicka when pet dies (but not enough magicka back to re-cast it .. it just makes it less of a pain when one dies)

So, all in all, we just get the 6% reduc.

EDIT : we do get dark exchange, though ..if only we had enough room to slot it
EDIT2 : as pointed out by @Dark_Lord_Kuro, we do indeed give the group (including ourselves) minor intellect with our shield.

Dark_Lord_Kuro wrote: »

preevious wrote: »

I suppose everyone will think his own class will be the worst, but here I go

Sorcerer get a cost reduction of 6% (not much, but still nice)
A return of your least used resources (you read that right .. it's mostly useless, except in fringe pvp / hybrid builds)
A return in magicka when pet dies (but not enough magicka back to re-cast it .. it just makes it less of a pain when one dies)

So, all in all, we just get the 6% reduc.

EDIT : we do get dark exchange, though ..if only we had enough room to slot it

Mag sorc also get a shield that give them and their group minor intelect, increasing mag recovery by 20%

I think it's 10% and so do warden and templar.

JanTanhide wrote: »

Stanx wrote: »

Dark_Lord_Kuro wrote: »

preevious wrote: »

I suppose everyone will think his own class will be the worst, but here I go

Sorcerer get a cost reduction of 6% (not much, but still nice)
A return of your least used resources (you read that right .. it's mostly useless, except in fringe pvp / hybrid builds)
A return in magicka when pet dies (but not enough magicka back to re-cast it .. it just makes it less of a pain when one dies)

So, all in all, we just get the 6% reduc.

EDIT : we do get dark exchange, though ..if only we had enough room to slot it

Mag sorc also get a shield that give them and their group minor intelect, increasing mag recovery by 20%

I think it's 10% and so do warden and templar.

It was changed recently. Minor's are now 20% for regen. So Stam and Mag are both 20% for Minor.

Ah nice. Take an insightful

Stanx wrote: »

Dark_Lord_Kuro wrote: »

preevious wrote: »

I suppose everyone will think his own class will be the worst, but here I go

Sorcerer get a cost reduction of 6% (not much, but still nice)
A return of your least used resources (you read that right .. it's mostly useless, except in fringe pvp / hybrid builds)
A return in magicka when pet dies (but not enough magicka back to re-cast it .. it just makes it less of a pain when one dies)

So, all in all, we just get the 6% reduc.

EDIT : we do get dark exchange, though ..if only we had enough room to slot it

Mag sorc also get a shield that give them and their group minor intelect, increasing mag recovery by 20%

I think it's 10% and so do warden and templar.

20% was changed in 2020 with all the major/minor buff standarisation
I was repliying to the part saying that sorc only got -6% cost
https://eso-skillbook.com/skill/empowered-ward

Anything not NB or Warden, imo.

mDK.

Really costly skills. Gimmicky Combustion (having to use Charged instead of the more freedom other classes got), gimmicky ultimate restore (others can time ulties better without having to think about the sustain part of it).

Enough said.

Definitely Magicka Dragonknight, but their damage is also very high so they have this habit of flip-flopping between being useless and OP whenever their sustain is improved.

I find that if your healer is throwing me Orbs or wearing Worms I end up dealing plenty of DPS regardless.

I made my personal 1 to 6 based on my experience. It's also PvE DD PoV.
1st - Warden. Stamina is OKish in trials with synergies but Mag even with Netch is difficult to sutain.
2nd - Templar. Stam is braindead but Mag is just dead. No good sustain passives, just one skill (rune) that helps with that.
3rd - Dragonknight. I voted for that one and put it on 3rd place here, I know. The reason for that is Ulti based resources gain passive. Everytime you use ulti you get X amount of resources back based on Ulti points used. That combined with Leap (maybe not the best but that's not the point) which is the cheapest DK ulti = bareable sustain. BUT. In trials where you want to play DD and try to get as much from the class as possible you use a lot of skills + standard/destro ulti which gives you a lot of resources back but it takes a while till you can use it. So depending on situation and setup (skills setup) you can end up with a bit better sustain than Warden or Templar. But if you wanna compare them directly with full OP offensive setup, DK has imo the worst sustain.
4th - Sorcerer. They have pretty good passives to reduce cost etc. They also have Dark Deal/Dark Exchange which is probably the best sustain skill in the game. The problem is that in most situations there's just not enough space on skill bars to place it and without it it's not that great.
5th - Nightblade. They used to have the best sustain a while back (like 2 years when I was playing NB mostly). Now Stam is still fine but Mag uses more skills than it used to (Shade, Orb). If you can keep up Siphonning Attacks/Leeching Strikes it's fine but it's one more GCD and if you wanna push DPS you'd rather use one more spammable instead.
6th - Necromancer. This is my main character. I've played as necro for a while and for the last two maybe three patches sustain was way better. The passive that grants more recovery while ghost/blastbones/mage is active helps a lot. Then you have a passive that reduces the cost of bb/mage/ghost by 50% when the pervious one just died and BB being the main source of dmg for necro this is huge since you're almost always on 50% cost. Also 200 recources when an enemy dies. This all combined makes it good enough to play Master Architect + Mother's Sorrow almost without issues (longer fights are still difficult but that's case for everyone). Stamina necros used parse food before, now it's overkill and people are using regular bistat on orc.
Interesting topic but looking at the changes made in FoA DLC clasess with a bad sustain (Warden, Templar, DK, maybe Sorcs) will end up using parse food everywhere due to 16k base HP and for the rest it will be a choice of Bi-stat (max health, max mag/stam), parse food (max mag/stam, mag/stam recovery) or just green food with one stat (max mag/stam).

Magicka Dragonknight, hands down. Horrendously costly skills (more costly than any other class, with nothing to show for it), no execute, complete reliance on cost reducing things such as charged front bar that also decrease damage (crit is already in the gutter, and worse next patch, so the loss of precise is devastating), reliance on using ultimates regardless of it being an optimal time to drop them, etc., etc., etc. Nothing even comes close to the misery of using them in terms of use in actual content, imo... A dreadful shame considering their engulfing flames buff is a must have in end game progression groups, and there are many who enjoy(ed) playing them. The second worse offender would be my main, my magicka Templar, then third my magicka sorcerer.

I still have hope that class rebalance will be next step after introducing CP 2.0 and balancing it. They worked on it last 2 years and made also some standarization moves, so I believe there was no point of bigger changes to classes so far, because all these changes only mess up everything again. When foundation of new system will be over, than we can made real changes for classess and I really hope that's the plan

StamDK, Stone Fist is a bad skill, simply just trash. 2 other usable class skills for damage, Claw and Noxious Breath. Where is the poison whip? Remove cast time on Stone Fist and it could be okey-ish. Add Poison Whip and rework Combustion so it actually gives both mag and StamDK sustain without having to make your build so that the passive is reliable (charged trait on staff for mags). Mby even a stam morph of eruption to give the class more identity. Nobody uses the healing morph, at least I hope so since its utter trash and useless.