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replace crown crates with a direct buy system.
wolfbone
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it would provide a much bigger income, as more people would gladly directly buy the items they want than gambling on a bunch of loot boxes that only offer a chance to get what you want/something good. lets be really honest, the reason why countries have outlawed this kind of thing, is the fact it's a predatory game mechanic and it's effectively gambling and as a whole, I think it damages the game's reputation when certain items you cant get unless you pay for a chance to get them that more times than not doesn't result in anything worth while.
for instance, I've played since morrowind released, and have only ever received 2 mounts. either raisse the drop chances or replace them with direct buy seasonal items.
for instance, I've played since morrowind released, and have only ever received 2 mounts. either raisse the drop chances or replace them with direct buy seasonal items.
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Sgrug✭✭✭✭✭it would provide a much bigger income, as more people would gladly directly buy the items they want than gambling on a bunch of loot boxes that only offer a chance to get what you want/something good. lets be really honest, the reason why countries have outlawed this kind of thing, is the fact it's a predatory game mechanic and it's effectively gambling and as a whole, I think it damages the game's reputation when certain items you cant get unless you pay for a chance to get them that more times than not doesn't result in anything worth while.
for instance, I've played since morrowind released, and have only ever received 2 mounts. either raisse the drop chances or replace them with direct buy seasonal items.
No, I for one love crown crates5 -
coop500✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I agree it would do the game a lot of good and as more countries ban this predatory method, hopefully they WILL change it.
I cannot really suggest ESO to most of my friends because they'll be instantly put off by crown crates.
"Sooo.... see all those awesome things people have? Yeah you can't have 90% of that without gambling."
NOT a fun thing to explain to a friend.Hoping for more playable races17 -
zvavi✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Don't worry mate, the gambling addicts prove that crates brings a lot of income. A lot.12 -
VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭It would be far more consumer friendly.
But making more profit per item as players gamble on more crates in order to get the specific rare item they want is pretty much the point of crown crates. So unless regulation happens or the Marketing/Accounting Department is struck by a serious case of concern for their customers, its unlikely.8 -
J2JMC✭✭✭✭✭If direct purchases provided more income, zenimax would not be using lootboxes in the first place.Knee Jerk, L2P, Obtuse, Casual, Entitled, All The Best, unnecessary mention of CoD
Battle leveling for pve content defeats the idea of progression. Remove CP
"Apparently the players are more informed than we are"-Richard Lambert17 -
MythicaLMeddLer✭✭✭Why would they put a mount in the crown store, for say, 25 bucks. When they can get more then enough people to pay 100.00 plus bucks just to have a chance to win that same mount.Edited by MythicaLMeddLer on February 15, 2021 3:56PM4
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Hallothiel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Why can’t they do both? (Being diplomatic as dislike crates)
Crates for new items.
Then maybe a year or so later, chance to buy in crown store.
Just get rid of the rubbish crate gem shop - they don’t even put new items in the crown store anymore, they put them in the crate gem store. That’s even worse.3 -
VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Hallothiel wrote: »Why can’t they do both? (Being diplomatic as dislike crates)
Crates for new items.
Then maybe a year or so later, chance to buy in crown store.
Just get rid of the rubbish crate gem shop - they don’t even put new items in the crown store anymore, they put them in the crate gem store. That’s even worse.
Because then they can't make bank on "returning crown crate seasons for limited time sales" off of players who didn't get a chance to gamble for it the first time.3 -
Starlock✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭If direct purchases provided more income, zenimax would not be using lootboxes in the first place.
Pretty much this.
Every transaction in the cash shop is tailored to a particular customer demographic. Instead of offering a customer-friendly monetization system this game's monetization has been borked for a long time and it's not just the gambling. It's also the price points for everything in general (with the sole exception of the DLC content packs), the fact that there's no upper spending limit on many of the transactions, the lack of in-game alternatives to obtain much of what is in the cash shop, and the ability to manipulate RNG to coerce customers into the cash shop in certain cases. Addressing the gamble crates would be a starting point, not an ending point; this game's monetization problems would persist even with their removal. Once bad deals are baked into a game's monetization, rarely is that fixed. The only solution is to invest more of your time and money in games that respect your time and money. ESO hasn't been that game in a long time, unfortunately. It's addictive by design and a massive money suck. It also has a lot of talented folks making great content for it, which is why it's such a shame this otherwise great game is mired in such bad monetization.1 -
DreadDaedroth✭✭✭✭✭
✭They have put lot of items for sale but alas they have always been limited editions.
I wish they'd be more permanent even some months, half a year instead of that : Buy now or lose it!
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Eedat✭✭✭✭✭I don't really care either way tbh. The only thing that's really gated by the crown crates is mount skins. Everything else you'll get enough gems to buy from one pack. The monetization in ESO is pretty fair compared to a lot of other games. Zero actual pay2win unlike other MMOs I've played like BDO. It's all cosmetics and pay4convience at worst. Can't blame a game if you have bad impulse control.1
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AcadianPaladin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I've never bought a crate and never will. Nothing to do about gambling. I simply will never buy something unless I know exactly what I'm getting for my coin. So in my case, I would certainly spend more money in the crown store if crate contents were straight up purchases like the many other things I willingly buy in the crown store.
Given that ZoS stays with crown crates, it would appear that quite a few players don't share my attitude.PC NA(no Steam), PvE, mostly solo1 -
Khajiitihaswares✭✭✭Sadly ZoS gambling services will keep on. I would love to buy bunch mounts but I’m not using RNG creates with a slim -chance.-0
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renne✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I wonder... will this apply when Bethesda comes under Microsoft?
https://www.xbox.com/en-US/community/for-everyone/responsible-gaming/loot-boxes
Or will ESO escape this because it's from pre-2019?
Relevant info:
For all of our Xbox Game Studio games, starting with games released back in 2019, we will apply the following principles:
1. Players always receive fair value. Players will receive a fair minimum value for all loot box purchases in our games. Every loot box will provide a virtual item that has an in-game worth or value equal to or greater than the amount paid.
2. Items in loot boxes can always be earned through play. All items available through paid loot boxes in our games will also be available through unpaid opportunity by gameplay (i.e. grinding).
3. Content probability disclosure. Where loot box items are offered for purchase within our games, players will be told the probability of obtaining each category of possible items (e.g. 80% for a “common” item, 15% for a “rare” item, and 5% for an “epic” item).2 -
Daemons_Bane✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I like my loot boxes.. I like that exciting feeling of not knowing what it contains.. just as when you opened a card booster pack as a kid
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erio✭✭✭✭✭Honestly. I know I, and a lot of people dont buy boxes simply because theyre rng. If I could control what I got, id pay for it. Thats +profit for zos.0
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Grizzbeorn✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭it would provide a much bigger income
No. It wouldn't.
If it did, then loot crates in their current form wouldn't be a thing in the video game industry.
These companies already know what practices bring the biggest income, which is why certain things get adopted on a wide scale.
Edited by Grizzbeorn on February 15, 2021 10:44PM1 -
VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I wonder... will this apply when Bethesda comes under Microsoft?
https://www.xbox.com/en-US/community/for-everyone/responsible-gaming/loot-boxes
Or will ESO escape this because it's from pre-2019?
Relevant info:
For all of our Xbox Game Studio games, starting with games released back in 2019, we will apply the following principles:
1. Players always receive fair value. Players will receive a fair minimum value for all loot box purchases in our games. Every loot box will provide a virtual item that has an in-game worth or value equal to or greater than the amount paid.
2. Items in loot boxes can always be earned through play. All items available through paid loot boxes in our games will also be available through unpaid opportunity by gameplay (i.e. grinding).
3. Content probability disclosure. Where loot box items are offered for purchase within our games, players will be told the probability of obtaining each category of possible items (e.g. 80% for a “common” item, 15% for a “rare” item, and 5% for an “epic” item).
Probably, it'll be fine.
I mean, I think you are guaranteed at least one non-base tier consumable with each crate, right? So #1 is easy with some manipulation of the crown store prices for the base and next tier of items. You only need 400 crowns worth to make it fair value. Just because those common tier rewards are practically useless doesn't mean ZOS can't count them as "value", you know?
#2 depends on whether gold for gifts counts. If it does, ESO is golden. "They can grind up the 1000s of gold it'll take for that radiant apex mount!
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#3 i think they've done that. https://help.elderscrollsonline.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/49828/~/what-are-the-odds-for-crown-crate-rewards-in-the-elder-scrolls-online?1 -
Kiralyn2000✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭it would provide a much bigger income,
I'm reasonably sure that if this were the case, there'd be a lot less "loot box" mechanics in so many games.
The people in charge of cash shops want max cash. So they've studied what will get them max cash. If direct buy gave max cash, we'd be seeing more of it.2 -
bmnoble✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Don't see why not SWTOR did this a few years ago, they added the option to buy stuff directly with their crowns equivalent cartel coins, while keeping their version of loot crates for those who wanted to try their luck and see if they could get a rare item for cheaper than the individual prices.0 -
WiseSky✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭The only Flex Right now Whales have is the Radiant Apex Mount Off in Craglorn.
Don't you dare take that away from them.2 -
Iccotak✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I wonder... will this apply when Bethesda comes under Microsoft?
https://www.xbox.com/en-US/community/for-everyone/responsible-gaming/loot-boxes
Or will ESO escape this because it's from pre-2019?
Relevant info:
For all of our Xbox Game Studio games, starting with games released back in 2019, we will apply the following principles:
1. Players always receive fair value. Players will receive a fair minimum value for all loot box purchases in our games. Every loot box will provide a virtual item that has an in-game worth or value equal to or greater than the amount paid.
2. Items in loot boxes can always be earned through play. All items available through paid loot boxes in our games will also be available through unpaid opportunity by gameplay (i.e. grinding).
3. Content probability disclosure. Where loot box items are offered for purchase within our games, players will be told the probability of obtaining each category of possible items (e.g. 80% for a “common” item, 15% for a “rare” item, and 5% for an “epic” item).
I mean I'd be VERY happy with that change in policy2 -
Orion_89✭✭✭✭A direct purchising will lead to the lowering of stuff's diversity. Instead of creating bunch of different things, ZOSs will concentrate on what is selling better.2
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ThorianB✭✭✭✭✭
✭it would provide a much bigger income, as more people would gladly directly buy the items they want than gambling on a bunch of loot boxes that only offer a chance to get what you want/something good. lets be really honest, the reason why countries have outlawed this kind of thing, is the fact it's a predatory game mechanic and it's effectively gambling and as a whole, I think it damages the game's reputation when certain items you cant get unless you pay for a chance to get them that more times than not doesn't result in anything worth while.
for instance, I've played since morrowind released, and have only ever received 2 mounts. either raisse the drop chances or replace them with direct buy seasonal items.
It doesn't provide a much bigger income to direct sell. I don't consider it predatory either. My state lottery is 10X more predatory than crown crates. I don't know anyone that plays, outside of the forum users, who are offended or annoyed by the crates. If they are interested in them they buy them, if not they ignore them and move on.
The only thing you can't have without gambling is radiant apex mounts which make up a few percent of crate items. Everything else you can get with gems and you can buy crates with gold so you don't even have to have spendable real cash to buy them.I agree it would do the game a lot of good and as more countries ban this predatory method, hopefully they WILL change it.
I cannot really suggest ESO to most of my friends because they'll be instantly put off by crown crates.
"Sooo.... see all those awesome things people have? Yeah you can't have 90% of that without gambling."
NOT a fun thing to explain to a friend.
Personally, i enjoy crown crates and i like the chance part of it. If i could just buy the items outright they wouldn't be as interesting to me. I just wish they had more crates with more things i wanted available( Wild Hunt appearance please)
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Starlock✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »
I remember seeing this in the help menu a month or so ago. It begs the question what these reporting standards are. The disclosure is notable in what it fails to disclose.
There is no mention of the odds for radiant apex mounts. At all.
The disclosure also blatantly lies by claiming "you can acquire Gems by extracting them from unwanted Crown Crate rewards" when that is not at all the case - the reality is you can acquire gems by refunding only certain items ZoS allows at a significant loss.
I suppose all of that would make it too obvious that the gamble crates are a trap.Edited by Starlock on February 16, 2021 7:30PM1 -
VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »
I remember seeing this in the help menu a month or so ago. It begs the question what these reporting standards are. The disclosure is notable in what it fails to disclose.
There is no mention of the odds for radiant apex mounts. At all.
The disclosure also blatantly lies by claiming "you can acquire Gems by extracting them from unwanted Crown Crate rewards" when that is not at all the case - the reality is you can acquire gems by refunding only certain items ZoS allows at a significant loss.
I suppose all of that would make it too obvious that the gamble crates are a trap.
Yep. Hence the need for better regulation. What consumer protections we do have just hasn't kept pace with the monetization methods companies use.
I'm not against gambling, per se. But if I'm going to gamble, I prefer to be fully informed about what a bad decision I'm making. 3 -
Basaz✭✭it would provide a much bigger income, as more people would gladly directly buy the items they want than gambling on a bunch of loot boxes that only offer a chance to get what you want/something good. lets be really honest, the reason why countries have outlawed this kind of thing, is the fact it's a predatory game mechanic and it's effectively gambling and as a whole, I think it damages the game's reputation when certain items you cant get unless you pay for a chance to get them that more times than not doesn't result in anything worth while.
for instance, I've played since morrowind released, and have only ever received 2 mounts. either raisse the drop chances or replace them with direct buy seasonal items.
I think it's a better idea. However from what I've read, it's not a better income. There are two types of people, those who spend money on in-game purchases, and those who don't. Those who don't spend, won't spend even if they change it. Those who do spend, will spend a lot no matter what. So it is in a money making business interest to get those few to spend more. This is done by gambling and by limiting the products. Cycling loot boxes, making things on "sale", only having it in cash shop once every year or every other year.
I disagree with the praxis, but I don't think anything we say here can change it.1 -
volkeswagon✭✭✭✭✭
✭I don't think they would make more money by getting rid of crown crates as plenty of people will overspend to get something they want. They should however get rid of them because they are unethical. The drop rate for furnishings, skins and mounts are poor and that's what people are really after so they can almost be considered a scam. If items were available via gems and crowns then I wouldn't mind them so much.0
