New CP's system promotes P2W and this is why...

Judgedread101071 · February 2021

Let's assume that i have the money to buy crowns (a lot of ppl playing the game,do).

- I sell those crowns for in game gold.

- With the gold i have, I buy every writ I can get my hands on, and XP boost potions ( You get approximatelly 45k xp per writ with xp boost potions)

-Depending on the amount of time you want to spent on a writ table you can probably get 3600 CP in less than a week.

With normal grinding for players like my self who don't have the money to buy crowns,it would take me a couple of years to reach those CP's and i will always be in a disadvantage in both PVP and PVE against players who simply can afford crowns

If this is not a P2W situation, then prove my logic wrong.

FYI I am at 1600 CP and i have done all the hard content there is in this game including Godslayer and Dawnbringer.

To the ppl who think that i am a new player and i am afraid i wont be able to make it in this game,know that you are wrong.

If the fact that i can reach max level (even if i start playing the game today) in an instant, if i have the money to spent on crowns, doesn't seem like a P2W then i am wasting my time

Starlight_Whisper · February 2021

I can still buy writs with gold though. Also about of raw materials is absurd for this. A different thing though, remember to shop in Alinor if you do this!

Ancient Traders can be your one stop shop for your dreams!

KovalskyNestor · February 2021

They said that we will gain new cp much faster. No way they will keep this old way, otherwise many players will be discouraged to play (including myself).
Also, correct me if I'm wrong but I think that 1200 is enough for any content.

Judgedread101071 · February 2021

Starlight_Whisper wrote: »

I can still buy writs with gold though. Also about of raw materials is absurd for this. A different thing though, remember to shop in Alinor if you do this!

Ancient Traders can be your one stop shop for your dreams!

Of course you can still buy with gold,but in the example i gave,the point is that if have the money to spend on crowns,then that's all that is needed to get max CP and get unfair advantage over ppl.even if the skill levevl is the same

Artorias24 · February 2021

But you are wrong in your statement. New CP doesnt promote your "p2w". Selling crowns for ingame gold does in your view.

Judgedread101071 · February 2021

KovalskyNestor wrote: »

They said that we will gain new cp much faster. No way they will keep this old way, otherwise many players will be discouraged to play (including myself).
Also, correct me if I'm wrong but I think that 1200 is enough for any content.

As a dd you need at least 1800 to get ALL the important ones and not be squisy for not having the right passives.
But again, that's not the point.
The point is that if you have the money to spent then you reach max level in no time getting unfair advantage over people who are poor.

Jaxious79 · February 2021

Its is amazing how everytime someone doesn't like something in an mmo they throw out P2W clearly not having a clue what that means.

What you just described is convenience. It is no different than a person playing 40 hours a week vs 5 hours a week its not p2w cause a person plays more and its not p2w because someone has more xp scrolls.

BTW what are they "winning?"

tmbrinks · February 2021

Judgedread101071 wrote: »

KovalskyNestor wrote: »

They said that we will gain new cp much faster. No way they will keep this old way, otherwise many players will be discouraged to play (including myself).
Also, correct me if I'm wrong but I think that 1200 is enough for any content.

As a dd you need at least 1800 to get ALL the important ones and not be squisy for not having the right passives.
But again, that's not the point.
The point is that if you have the money to spent then you reach max level in no time getting unfair advantage over people who are poor.

It's ~1500 for "everything"... it's only 1100 for your relevant passives for your role.

You can also earn all those writs for yourself. They are earnable in-game, thus not P2W. (I've already got about 300 saved up from doing writs since they announced the changes)

Judgedread101071 · February 2021

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Artorias24 wrote: »

But you are wrong in your statement. New CP doesnt promote your "p2w". Selling crowns for ingame gold does in your view.

Would "encourage" suit you better?

Artorias24 · February 2021

Judgedread101071 wrote: »

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Artorias24 wrote: »

But you are wrong in your statement. New CP doesnt promote your "p2w". Selling crowns for ingame gold does in your view.

Would "encourage" suit you better?

So since the new CP system doesnt change the fact that you can get golds by selling crowns and buy writs for it to level fast. Its the same with CP 1.0 No?

What changed is that you now need to put in waaay more money to get to Cap.

ADarklore · February 2021

I'm just curious... people throw out all these CP requirements to "not be squishy"... but what type of content are we talking about?!? PvP, PvE, trials?

Judgedread101071 · February 2021

tmbrinks wrote: »

Judgedread101071 wrote: »

KovalskyNestor wrote: »

They said that we will gain new cp much faster. No way they will keep this old way, otherwise many players will be discouraged to play (including myself).
Also, correct me if I'm wrong but I think that 1200 is enough for any content.

As a dd you need at least 1800 to get ALL the important ones and not be squisy for not having the right passives.
But again, that's not the point.
The point is that if you have the money to spent then you reach max level in no time getting unfair advantage over people who are poor.

It's ~1500 for "everything"... it's only 1100 for your relevant passives for your role.

You can also earn all those writs for yourself. They are earnable in-game, thus not P2W. (I've already got about 300 saved up from doing writs since they announced the changes)

No it's not.Have been to pts?
And of course i can earn those writs myself.It would take a couple of years to reach the amount i need though.
But i f i have the money to spent on crowns then it's almost instant.

Jaxious79 · February 2021

ADarklore wrote: »

I'm just curious... people throw out all these CP requirements to "not be squishy"... but what type of content are we talking about?!? PvP, PvE, trials?

It doesn't matter what they are talking about they don't like change and are trying to throw out anything negative about the change to see if it sticks. There are plenty of youtube videos detailing the CP change. The one I just watched specifically mentioned tanks will be in a better position.

tmbrinks · February 2021

ADarklore wrote: »

I'm just curious... people throw out all these CP requirements to "not be squishy"... but what type of content are we talking about?!? PvP, PvE, trials?

The lack of mitigation passives might kill you if that something currently drops everybody to like 1k/2k health. Frankly, if you're being knocked that low currently on live, your healer screwed up and didn't have HoTs down. Most people won't even notice the difference.

tmbrinks · February 2021

Judgedread101071 wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

Judgedread101071 wrote: »

KovalskyNestor wrote: »

They said that we will gain new cp much faster. No way they will keep this old way, otherwise many players will be discouraged to play (including myself).
Also, correct me if I'm wrong but I think that 1200 is enough for any content.

As a dd you need at least 1800 to get ALL the important ones and not be squisy for not having the right passives.
But again, that's not the point.
The point is that if you have the money to spent then you reach max level in no time getting unfair advantage over people who are poor.

It's ~1500 for "everything"... it's only 1100 for your relevant passives for your role.

You can also earn all those writs for yourself. They are earnable in-game, thus not P2W. (I've already got about 300 saved up from doing writs since they announced the changes)

No it's not.Have been to pts?
And of course i can earn those writs myself.It would take a couple of years to reach the amount i need though.
But i f i have the money to spent on crowns then it's almost instant.

I have, I've tested. I've cleared the new HMs of the new dungeons.

Elo106 · February 2021

KovalskyNestor wrote: »

They said that we will gain new cp much faster. No way they will keep this old way, otherwise many players will be discouraged to play (including myself).
Also, correct me if I'm wrong but I think that 1200 is enough for any content.

Leveling up to 1200 will be faster after that it stays the same. You need 1711 to get all the important passives and 4 actives, if you want to be the strongest you can be its 2221 and thats if you select active skills you can access right away, actives behind actives will be more expensive ofc.

Judgedread101071 · February 2021

FYI I am at 1600 CP and i have done all the hard content there is in this game including Godslayer and Dawnbringer.

To the ppl who think that i am a new player and i am afraid i wont be able to make it in this game,know that you are wrong.

If the fact that i can reach max level (even if i start playing the game today) in an instant, if i have the money to spent on crowns, doesn't seem like a P2W then i am wasting my time

Judgedread101071 · February 2021

Elo106 wrote: »

KovalskyNestor wrote: »

They said that we will gain new cp much faster. No way they will keep this old way, otherwise many players will be discouraged to play (including myself).
Also, correct me if I'm wrong but I think that 1200 is enough for any content.

Leveling up to 1200 will be faster after that it stays the same. You need 1711 to get all the important passives and 4 actives, if you want to be the strongest you can be its 2221 and thats if you select active skills you can access right away, actives behind actives will be more expensive ofc.

Agreed

Jaxious79 · February 2021

Judgedread101071 wrote: »

FYI I am at 1600 CP and i have done all the hard content there is in this game including Godslayer and Dawnbringer.

To the ppl who think that i am a new player and i am afraid i wont be able to make it in this game,know that you are wrong.

If the fact that i can reach max level (even if i start playing the game today) in an instant, if i have the money to spent on crowns, doesn't seem like a P2W then i am wasting my time

Its NOT P2W just stop already. Anyone can say they have done all those things that great. Nothing about the new CP system is P2W period.

Artorias24 · February 2021

Judgedread101071 wrote: »

FYI I am at 1600 CP and i have done all the hard content there is in this game including Godslayer and Dawnbringer.

To the ppl who think that i am a new player and i am afraid i wont be able to make it in this game,know that you are wrong.

If the fact that i can reach max level (even if i start playing the game today) in an instant, if i have the money to spent on crowns, doesn't seem like a P2W then i am wasting my time

I wouldnt call it p2w. In this case more like pay to convenient. P2w ist something you can only get with spending money and other players cant get if they dont spend the same Money.

Only cause you got boosted to max level wont make you win against another max level Player that leveled the normal way.

tmbrinks · February 2021

Elo106 wrote: »

KovalskyNestor wrote: »

They said that we will gain new cp much faster. No way they will keep this old way, otherwise many players will be discouraged to play (including myself).
Also, correct me if I'm wrong but I think that 1200 is enough for any content.

Leveling up to 1200 will be faster after that it stays the same. You need 1711 to get all the important passives and 4 actives, if you want to be the strongest you can be its 2221 and thats if you select active skills you can access right away, actives behind actives will be more expensive ofc.

This is patently false. The curve was lowered for everything. You only need 1100 CP to get your role-specific passives/actives, and at about 1500 you can get all the others you can use.

This may have been true in the initial launch, but they made changes last week that drastically lowered those numbers.

B0SSzombie · February 2021

Who in their right mind can get to 3600 with Writs in a Week?

I mean, it's probably possible, but you probably also actually die at the end of it.

Sju · February 2021

If this were the case, then it has been p2w since crown gifting was made available. I highly doubt you'd get to 3600 in a week. It's only worth it if you're on limited playing time and have your enlightenment built up to max, there's an event with an xp buff, and you have a 150% scroll. You'll get more xp playing the game.

Judgedread101071 · February 2021

Artorias24 wrote: »

Judgedread101071 wrote: »

FYI I am at 1600 CP and i have done all the hard content there is in this game including Godslayer and Dawnbringer.

To the ppl who think that i am a new player and i am afraid i wont be able to make it in this game,know that you are wrong.

If the fact that i can reach max level (even if i start playing the game today) in an instant, if i have the money to spent on crowns, doesn't seem like a P2W then i am wasting my time

I wouldnt call it p2w. In this case more like pay to convenient. P2w ist something you can only get with spending money and other players cant get if they dont spend the same Money.

Only cause you got boosted to max level wont make you win against another max level Player that leveled the normal way.

Although i DO see your logic.imagine a different scenario which WILL happen to some ppl.

Say we both start today.and we both have the same amount of time to spend in the game and equal skill.
BUT i have the money to spent on crowns and you don't.
You don't see how that, is going to give me an advantage if i pay?

Ascarl · February 2021

For me gaining exp just by doing writs seems to be equally boring to other grinding activties. I can hardly imaging doing that for more than a few levels even with plenty of writs on bank chars.

Jaxious79 · February 2021

Judgedread101071 wrote: »

Artorias24 wrote: »

Judgedread101071 wrote: »

FYI I am at 1600 CP and i have done all the hard content there is in this game including Godslayer and Dawnbringer.

To the ppl who think that i am a new player and i am afraid i wont be able to make it in this game,know that you are wrong.

If the fact that i can reach max level (even if i start playing the game today) in an instant, if i have the money to spent on crowns, doesn't seem like a P2W then i am wasting my time

I wouldnt call it p2w. In this case more like pay to convenient. P2w ist something you can only get with spending money and other players cant get if they dont spend the same Money.

Only cause you got boosted to max level wont make you win against another max level Player that leveled the normal way.

Although i DO see your logic.imagine a different scenario which WILL happen to some ppl.

Say we both start today.and we both have the same amount of time to spend in the game and equal skill.
BUT i have the money to spent on crowns and you don't.
You don't see how that, is going to give me an advantage if i pay?

There is no advantage again that is a convenience the other person will get to the same spot sooner or later. P2W is when the you can ONLY get something by spending money. A person who has enough gold can do that same thing without spending a single penny again proves its NOT P2W.

convenience
[kənˈvēnyəns]
NOUN
the state of being able to proceed with something with little effort or difficulty.

Judgedread101071 · February 2021

Jaxious79 wrote: »

Judgedread101071 wrote: »

Artorias24 wrote: »

Judgedread101071 wrote: »

FYI I am at 1600 CP and i have done all the hard content there is in this game including Godslayer and Dawnbringer.

To the ppl who think that i am a new player and i am afraid i wont be able to make it in this game,know that you are wrong.

If the fact that i can reach max level (even if i start playing the game today) in an instant, if i have the money to spent on crowns, doesn't seem like a P2W then i am wasting my time

I wouldnt call it p2w. In this case more like pay to convenient. P2w ist something you can only get with spending money and other players cant get if they dont spend the same Money.

Only cause you got boosted to max level wont make you win against another max level Player that leveled the normal way.

Although i DO see your logic.imagine a different scenario which WILL happen to some ppl.

Say we both start today.and we both have the same amount of time to spend in the game and equal skill.
BUT i have the money to spent on crowns and you don't.
You don't see how that, is going to give me an advantage if i pay?

There is no advantage again that is a convenience the other person will get to the same spot sooner or later. P2W is when the you can ONLY get something by spending money.

convenience
[kənˈvēnyəns]
NOUN
the state of being able to proceed with something with little effort or difficulty.

Well first of all, thx for the English lesson.
Second,In the long run and IF they never raise the amount of CP's, of course we will all be on the same level,but we are talking about years of grinding for someone with no money to spend and almost instant for someone who does.
And if you bothered scrolling up a little bit,you'd see that i also talked about new players in the game who start at the same time BUT one has the money to spend and the other doesn't.

Daemons_Bane · February 2021

I don't see p2w.. I see P2BL.. Pay2BeLazy.. aka convenience

Artorias24 · February 2021

Judgedread101071 wrote: »

Artorias24 wrote: »

Judgedread101071 wrote: »

FYI I am at 1600 CP and i have done all the hard content there is in this game including Godslayer and Dawnbringer.

To the ppl who think that i am a new player and i am afraid i wont be able to make it in this game,know that you are wrong.

If the fact that i can reach max level (even if i start playing the game today) in an instant, if i have the money to spent on crowns, doesn't seem like a P2W then i am wasting my time

I wouldnt call it p2w. In this case more like pay to convenient. P2w ist something you can only get with spending money and other players cant get if they dont spend the same Money.

Only cause you got boosted to max level wont make you win against another max level Player that leveled the normal way.

Although i DO see your logic.imagine a different scenario which WILL happen to some ppl.

Say we both start today.and we both have the same amount of time to spend in the game and equal skill.
BUT i have the money to spent on crowns and you don't.
You don't see how that, is going to give me an advantage if i pay?

I see that. You also gain 10% more exp with ESO Plus. You only get that with spending money. Is that also p2w?

I can buy 150% XP scrolls with crowns while No new player will be able to afford the ingame ones for gold. Also p2w?

It does give you an Advantage in faster leveling yes. But what game doesnt offer you that for cash?

Jaxious79 · February 2021

Judgedread101071 wrote: »

Jaxious79 wrote: »

Judgedread101071 wrote: »

Artorias24 wrote: »

Judgedread101071 wrote: »

FYI I am at 1600 CP and i have done all the hard content there is in this game including Godslayer and Dawnbringer.

To the ppl who think that i am a new player and i am afraid i wont be able to make it in this game,know that you are wrong.

If the fact that i can reach max level (even if i start playing the game today) in an instant, if i have the money to spent on crowns, doesn't seem like a P2W then i am wasting my time

I wouldnt call it p2w. In this case more like pay to convenient. P2w ist something you can only get with spending money and other players cant get if they dont spend the same Money.

Only cause you got boosted to max level wont make you win against another max level Player that leveled the normal way.

Although i DO see your logic.imagine a different scenario which WILL happen to some ppl.

Say we both start today.and we both have the same amount of time to spend in the game and equal skill.
BUT i have the money to spent on crowns and you don't.
You don't see how that, is going to give me an advantage if i pay?

There is no advantage again that is a convenience the other person will get to the same spot sooner or later. P2W is when the you can ONLY get something by spending money.

convenience
[kənˈvēnyəns]
NOUN
the state of being able to proceed with something with little effort or difficulty.

Well first of all, thx for the English lesson.
Second,In the long run and IF they never raise the amount of CP's, of course we will all be on the same level,but we are talking about years of grinding for someone with no money to spend and almost instant for someone who does.
And if you bothered scrolling up a little bit,you'd see that i also talked about new players in the game who start at the same time BUT one has the money to spend and the other doesn't.

28 post and not another person has agreed with you on it being P2W because it is NOT. Its not P2W I don't think there is anything anyone can say to change your mind. Your own OP stated tell me if my logic is wrong multiple people have pointed out your logic is wrong and you don't want to hear it. There is no point for anyone to continue this discussion cause you are not willing to hear why it is NOT P2W.

Have fun in a NOT P2W game.

KovalskyNestor · February 2021

Leveling up to 1200 will be faster after that it stays the same. You need 1711 to get all the important passives and 4 actives, if you want to be the strongest you can be its 2221 and thats if you select active skills you can access right away, actives behind actives will be more expensive ofc.

Oh didn't know that.. thank you for the info, I can see why people are frustrated now.