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Do you respect ball groups?
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thorwyn✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I don't have the balls to respect them.
And if the dam breaks open many years too soon
And if there is no room upon the hill
And if your head explodes with dark forebodings too
I'll see you on the dark side of the moon2 -
Luke_Flamesword✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭NoWell, it's depends. I can respect organised group, where every player have some role but at the same time players play "normally" and thinks for themself. I don't respect groups where every player just running with leader and constantly spam one skill - for me this is just exploiting freedom that games give us (no skill cooldowns, etc.) and it ruin experience for common players who wants just to play like regular person, not like some one-button robot.
So I respect organised and strategical play, but only if it have some honour and fair play in it. Game itself have some limitations and it's impossible to limit some actions, so we can't just play with idea like "if it's possible, then it can be used".
It's like killing a fishing player in Cyrodill - game allows it, but it's just a really rude move.PC | EU | DC |Stam Dk Breton4 -
MirelaUmbrella✭✭✭NoIf they didn't cause an insane amount of lag for the entire server, then I would be fine with them and their playstyle
But when you're playing in one of the extra campaigns with 2 3 2 bars population and there's no lag, then a ball group starts playing and the ping shoots up and skills don't fire...
Well let's just say I don't agree with 12 players benefiting from lag while the rest of the players experience is diminished10 -
alainjbrennanb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭Nothe only reason i say no is their cowardly actions of chasing down 1 playerMain character dk - Vanikifar whitestrike4 -
Anyron✭✭✭✭✭
✭No
I dont like them because i have my own experience in ballgroups. The only thing ballgroups care about are AP nothing more. For example yesterday red ballgroup on EU PC took red scroll from bananas and instead of returning it back to scroll temple ( they were between farragut and arrius) they went all the way to farm AP to nickel
And every ballgroup is same, they doesnt care about other players or campaign. Ive been playing this game for 6 years i know what iam takling about
Btw
"So you dont like the ones that play the actual game instead of just wailing on each other"
They dont play game. They make everone else game miserable by lagging whole servers to the point you cannot even move. Thats literal.Edited by Anyron on February 7, 2021 10:22AM13 -
Bucky_13✭✭✭✭✭
✭No
I dont like them because i have my own experience in ballgroups. The only thing ballgroups care about are AP nothing more. For example yesterday red ballgroup on EU PC took red scroll from bananas and instead of returning it back to scroll temple ( they were between farragut and arrius) they went all the way to farm AP to nickel
And every ballgroup is same, they doesnt care about other players or campaign. Ive been playing this game for 6 years i know what iam takling about
This and the lag they cause is the main reason I rarely respect them. The worst thing that can happen for my faction is that a ball group gets a hold of a scroll we need since it means we're not gonna get it back. Once in a while I actually see a ball group that does play for the map, in those cases I can actually respect them no matter if they're with or against me. But that is far too rare.5 -
Anyron✭✭✭✭✭
✭No
I dont like them because i have my own experience in ballgroups. The only thing ballgroups care about are AP nothing more. For example yesterday red ballgroup on EU PC took red scroll from bananas and instead of returning it back to scroll temple ( they were between farragut and arrius) they went all the way to farm AP to nickel
And every ballgroup is same, they doesnt care about other players or campaign. Ive been playing this game for 6 years i know what iam takling about
This and the lag they cause is the main reason I rarely respect them. The worst thing that can happen for my faction is that a ball group gets a hold of a scroll we need since it means we're not gonna get it back. Once in a while I actually see a ball group that does play for the map, in those cases I can actually respect them no matter if they're with or against me. But that is far too rare.
There were few.. But it never last long.. Then they start farming on other side of map saying we are helping by lessening pressure on frontlines and then doing this st with scrolls etcEdited by Anyron on February 7, 2021 10:37AM2 -
Vanya✭✭✭✭✭NoI respect fellow Nords or Altmer females. Too be honest I have no respect for any PVP-er but does not mean I oppose ,insult them. I am neutral, but do they have my respect, No?
Besides that If one worries to have a respect in virtual realm... Your call.
Basic manners, but some huge respect , By Auri-El. Iny thy dreams.Edited by Vanya on February 7, 2021 10:47AM0 -
albumoculus✭✭YesBoth yes and no. Most of the times I just find it infuriatingly frustrating, they'll stick around a keep or its resources long enough for reinforcements to arrive, it's definetly frustrating. But I know that the coordination in between group members is very demanding, I also know they've spent a lot of time rehearsing and failing with different team compositions, but they've stuck with it. That's what I really admire about them, there's a lot of thinking that's gone into it and executing it as well, still the admiration factors outweighs the annoyance factor. Thanks for the questionEdited by albumoculus on February 7, 2021 10:53AM1 -
BoraxFlux✭✭✭✭✭YesI hate them with a vengeance, no easy task to purge them out a keep. But at the same time a ballgroup is not a 'thing', it is players having fun with a tactic which is not exclusive to one alliance, so for every one ballgroup rolling trough your keep, there will be one of your alliance rolling trough theirs.
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ZaroktheImmortal✭✭✭✭✭
✭NoMy understanding of them is it's just a bunch of people running round in a ball spamming the same abilities. How is that in any way fun?5 -
Tommy_The_Gun✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭NoI mostly ignore them... pointless to fight them as I am not only on disadvantage (not on even grounds) but ball groups also seems to have secret weapon - they lag everyone in the area to death. People die to them not because they are noobs or are solo or have weak builds.
They die because potions / bar swap / skills / ults stops working....
So, simply put - it seems pretty unfair to even try to try to fight them. Lag breaks the game.4 -
Pauwer✭✭✭✭✭YesPlanned group (sets, classes, races, skills etc) with a good leader and focused group members. What's not to respect?
Yes of course it sucks when you play solo and happen to get run over by them sometimes, happens to all of us.1 -
Sylosi✭✭✭✭✭
✭NoPutting aside I am unsure why I would respect anyone for simply playing a silly video game, if for the sake of argument I pretend to apply "respect" on the basis of someone as a PvP gamer, then why would I respect anyone in Cyrodil?
I hate to break it to some people, but in the grand scheme of skilled, competitive (or even fun and functioning) PvP gaming, Cyrodil is an absolute joke and the playerbase reflects that.
I would not even describe the vast majority of players in Cyrodil as PvP'ers (and I mean the hardcore players), more like roleplayers, because no one playing Cyrdoil has any genuine interest in good, skilled, competitive PvP, because the game mode lacks the mechanisms to provide that the vast majority of the time.
Edited by Sylosi on February 7, 2021 11:49AM2 -
Lephrel✭✭✭✭✭NoI hate to break it to some people, but in the grand scheme of skilled, competitive (or even fun and functioning) PvP gaming, Cyrodil is an absolute joke and the playerbase reflects that.
I would not even describe the vast majority of players in Cyrodil as PvP'ers (and I mean the hardcore players), more like roleplayers, because no one playing Cyrdoil has any genuine interest in good, skilled, competitive PvP, because the game mode lacks the mechanisms to provide that the vast majority of the time.
Well then whom do you consider to be an actual PvPer? I don't think those of us who play in Cyrodiil are more of a joke than any other part of the community. Sounds to me like you're simply frustrated after struggling through MYM.4 -
MasterSpatula✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭NoNo, I hold them in utter and complete contempt.
If you show up to a knife fight in a bulldozer because the rules don't prevent it, you might expect to win. But you damn sure shouldn't expect anyone to respect you."A probable impossibility is preferable to an improbable possibility." - Aristotle11 -
JamieAubrey✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭NoHELL NAW
All they do is run around towers/keeps spamming AOE and MASSIVE heals, they do nothing for the campaign and if anything just pull you away from actual fights so they can "farm AP"
And don't give me the "GET YOUR OWN BALL GROUP TO DEAL WITH THEM"8 -
Shadowasrial✭✭✭✭✭
✭YesBall grouping at least the ones who are all in the same guild is the most powerful thing you will come across in pvp. Not because it’s overpowered but because it’s a group of players that are coordinating their skills and ultimates with very clear communication. These elite ball group guilds are a force to be reckoned with because they are efficient. Yes it sucks to be caught by one and sometimes they don’t play the capture objective and instead continuously move around a keep not flipping it until they no longer get good ap from their kills. It’s just a very effective way to get tons of ap.1 -
SshadowSscale✭✭✭✭✭NoJanTanhide wrote: »Have no problem with them at all.
well you do not have to deal with them in pve lmao0 -
nukk3r✭✭✭✭✭
✭YesI like how the people who answered "No" are generally salty and operate with the same misconceptions. We had three weeks of tests when ball groups couldn't play in Cyrodiil (the conditions simply prevented it) but the lag was still there and it was as bad as always.
This will fall on deaf ears but I'll try. If you hate to be killed by a ball group, then don't put yourself in a position where they can get you.
1. Don't go to the faction stack. It attracts more and more players and that's what's causing lag.
2. Don't stand in their way. Any ball group moves in a pattern, just tab target one of them and you'll always know where they're going.
You die because you act like an NPC. Anyone who ever played a tank knows how to taunt and use LoS to stack mobs, that's what ball groups do to you, they taunt and stack you in bottlenecks and on flags. But unlike NPCs you don't need to play by their rules.
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gatekeeper13✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭NoNothing to respect from a group of people who base their survival in Cyro not on skill but on skill spamming, cross-heals and lag they cause.5 -
Sylosi✭✭✭✭✭
✭NoI hate to break it to some people, but in the grand scheme of skilled, competitive (or even fun and functioning) PvP gaming, Cyrodil is an absolute joke and the playerbase reflects that.
I would not even describe the vast majority of players in Cyrodil as PvP'ers (and I mean the hardcore players), more like roleplayers, because no one playing Cyrdoil has any genuine interest in good, skilled, competitive PvP, because the game mode lacks the mechanisms to provide that the vast majority of the time.
Well then whom do you consider to be an actual PvPer? I don't think those of us who play in Cyrodiil are more of a joke than any other part of the community. Sounds to me like you're simply frustrated after struggling through MYM.
I think I've been in Cyrodil for maybe 5 hours in the last month, so there was no struggle in MYM, I barely played it. And I barely played it for the same reason I barely play Cyrodil, the "PvP" is laughably bad if you actually value decent PvP gameplay (AKA a PvP gamer), because it lacks the mechanisms to produce competitive PvP.
Which is why I do my PvP in dedicated PvP games (team based shooters, RTS, MOBA, etc), because they have mechanisms in place to provide me with decent, competitive PvP gameplay for the majority of the time. The notion that I would want to farm PvE players in MYM is comical, I leave that to the roleplayers of Cyrodil.
Imagine a supposed "PvP" gamer actually wanting to play against players that are more casual, less experienced, etc, it is laughable. If I acted like that in one of the PvP games I play that I was vaguely competent in, the people I play with would think I had lost the plot. If I am Diamond (to use a generic ranking system) in a shooter and started banging on about how I got on an alt account and triple killed some Bronze players or farmed some Silver players, my friends would tell me to go play Animal Crossing.
Yet that is basically how lot of "PvPers" in Cyrodil behave, no real interest in good, skilled (or even fun PvP), hence I regard most of them as roleplayers be they "ball groups", the laughably termed "1vX" players or simply some other deluded individual.
Which essentially is why games like Cyrodil fail so miserably, they are "PvP" games that for the most part produce bad, boring, low skilled, uncompetitive PvP, which isn't very attractive to actual PvP gamers.Edited by Sylosi on February 7, 2021 2:33PM5 -
Jaimeh✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I don't like them but if they are playing for the map of their alliance that's fair enough, and then there's nothing wrong with being coordinated and organized, but if they are just hiding in a keep or a tower just to AP farm people, then that's kinda reprehensible.2 -
hexentb16_ESO✭✭✭✭NoYes and no. I've been part of ball groups before. It can be hard to pull off and isn't any fun. Ball groups is essentially what you get when a group of players with good communication care more about winning than having fun.4
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orion_1981usub17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭NoBall groups or any efficient fight clan in any pvp game are a net negative to the game itself. The more skilled a player becomes the faster the game dies. This is because a phenomenon called the churn and burn zones, the bell curve of fun where players on the edges quit over time. A highly organized group increases the burn zone as they are not fun to fight against. This leads to decreased player participation. This creates the churn zone where the "best" players get bored and they too leave. Many games use event or updates to try to seduce players back but if the game isn't fun (either they lack the capacity for skill or they know too much) they leave again.
Zos has many tools they could use to limit the ball groups power... they want people to group still but not exponentially increase their effectiveness. Because you want as a game developer everyone near the center of the bellcurve to prolong the games life.4 -
Emmagoldman✭✭✭✭✭
✭YesNo, its the lowest form of life that often use every cheese possible in this game
Just about everyone I know in PVP along with pve cheeses. It's part of being competitive. People want to take advantage of every skill, set and mechanic to win.
In coordinated groups, at top tier they plan around sets, skills and game play. Its a lot ateonger than a bunch of people copying builds off of youtube, grouping up outside of coms, running in 1 at a time, then complaining they got dunked on2 -
JanTanhide✭✭✭✭✭
✭YesSshadowSscale wrote: »JanTanhide wrote: »Have no problem with them at all.
well you do not have to deal with them in pve lmao
LOL. It's how I usually level my characters. I go to Cyro and type in Chat "LFG" and boom! I'm in a group. The group grows and we take resources, keeps, blah blah blah.
Besides, when I see Fengrush coming with his horde it's time to Exit Stage Left!1