Possible Shield Bug?

THEDKEXPERIENCE · February 2021

All numbers are approximate because I’m not in front of my XBox.

Yesterday I messed with my build and found something interesting. It appears that the shield from Hardened Ward is not cut in half in Cyrodiil.

HW was 11000
Resto Shield was 5500
Blazing Shield was like 4400

Is this on purpose?

Essentially I also noticed that I am now tankier in light armor than heavy due to this.

I’m extremely squishy on things like my horse but doing actual PVP tanking related stuff like YOLOing into a keep I’m significantly tankier now than I was yesterday.

Is this supposed to be this way? For reference, in case I broke the game, my main is a Magplar and this was after I got him to just under 61k magic.

THEDKEXPERIENCE · February 2021

Update

The over performing spell is Dampen Magic. My damage shield is 11813.

For comparison Ward Ally is 5488. When in PVE a few moments ago both shields were in the 10K range.

Maybe it’s supposed to be like this? I have no idea. What I do know is that I have a shield right now in Cyrodiil that’s stronger there then in PVE.

Do with this info what you please.

caperb · February 2021

What is your max mag, health and bastion cp?

That number should be almost impossible with a normal build with first the shield cap an then the battle spirit debuff.

THEDKEXPERIENCE · February 2021

caperb wrote: »

What is your max mag, health and bastion cp?

That number should be almost impossible with a normal build with first the shield cap an then the battle spirit debuff.

I just lagged out so I can answer in better detail after I log back in.

Off of memory it’s just under 61k Magic, 23.5 Health in Cyrodiil and I think I have either 70 or 100 into bastion.

I’ll look again after dinner.

caperb · February 2021

THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »

caperb wrote: »

What is your max mag, health and bastion cp?

That number should be almost impossible with a normal build with first the shield cap an then the battle spirit debuff.

I just lagged out so I can answer in better detail after I log back in.

Off of memory it’s just under 61k Magic, 23.5 Health in Cyrodiil and I think I have either 70 or 100 into bastion.

I’ll look again after dinner.

Oh damn, that's a nice magicka pool and a lot of points into bastion, so a 12k shield doesn't sound that strange.

THEDKEXPERIENCE · February 2021

caperb wrote: »

THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »

caperb wrote: »

What is your max mag, health and bastion cp?

That number should be almost impossible with a normal build with first the shield cap an then the battle spirit debuff.

I just lagged out so I can answer in better detail after I log back in.

Off of memory it’s just under 61k Magic, 23.5 Health in Cyrodiil and I think I have either 70 or 100 into bastion.

I’ll look again after dinner.

Oh damn, that's a nice magicka pool and a lot of points into bastion, so a 12k shield doesn't sound that strange.

I was mostly wondering why that one would be larger in PVP than PVE. My other shield gets cut in half from Battle Spirit.

Bastion is 100.

60992 magic
2 Willpower
1 Domihaus
1 Maw of The Infernal
5 Crafty Alfiq
3 Ancient Grace
Gold Food

PVE shield levels ...

Dampen Magic: 10263 (1550 lower than in PVP)
Ward Ally: 10443 (4955 higher than in PVP)

THEDKEXPERIENCE · February 2021

So we’re cool with a shield not being cut in half in Cyrodiil?

kringled_1 · February 2021

It's capped by your health, which goes up with battle spirit. The halving is applied before the health cap but since the health cap still limits, your net shield is larger in Cyrodiil.

jaws343 · February 2021

THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »

So we’re cool with a shield not being cut in half in Cyrodiil?

The way the shields are supposed to work is that the battlespirit happens prior to the health cap. So if after your health is taken into account, your shield size is over the battlespirit cap, it is supposed to drop down to the battlespirit cap.

The reason your shield is stronger in PVP is because you get an extra 5K health, which raises your health cap for the shield.

jaws343 · February 2021

THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »

caperb wrote: »

THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »

caperb wrote: »

What is your max mag, health and bastion cp?

That number should be almost impossible with a normal build with first the shield cap an then the battle spirit debuff.

I just lagged out so I can answer in better detail after I log back in.

Off of memory it’s just under 61k Magic, 23.5 Health in Cyrodiil and I think I have either 70 or 100 into bastion.

I’ll look again after dinner.

Oh damn, that's a nice magicka pool and a lot of points into bastion, so a 12k shield doesn't sound that strange.

I was mostly wondering why that one would be larger in PVP than PVE. My other shield gets cut in half from Battle Spirit.

Bastion is 100.

60992 magic
2 Willpower
1 Domihaus
1 Maw of The Infernal
5 Crafty Alfiq
3 Ancient Grace
Gold Food

PVE shield levels ...

Dampen Magic: 10263 (1550 lower than in PVP)
Ward Ally: 10443 (4955 higher than in PVP)

I am fairly certain the other shields are bugged and battle spirit is applying after the health cap and not before the health cap. But also, some shields are just generally smaller than the sorc shield.

Lephrel · February 2021

THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »

So we’re cool with a shield not being cut in half in Cyrodiil?

It is cut in half. What's your max hp in pve? I'm pretty sure that you are far above the shield cap in pve and below the shield cap in pvp. The shield size can't exceed 60% of your hp value, so in pve you would have a 20k+ shield but it's capped at 10k because of your low hp pool. In pvp that 20k shield value is halved to 10k, giving you the same shield size as in pve approximately. The only difference is that in pve your shield capped and in pvp it isn't.

Also, imo 100 points into bastion is extremely wasteful because of diminishing returns and 61k magicka specs tend to be ineffective in today's meta.

Celephantsylvius_Bornasfinmo · February 2021

Well it's like Vicious Death rolled back to working on siege...I think they do sneaky modifications for MYM without telling us

THEDKEXPERIENCE · February 2021

Lephrel wrote: »

THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »

So we’re cool with a shield not being cut in half in Cyrodiil?

It is cut in half. What's your max hp in pve? I'm pretty sure that you are far above the shield cap in pve and below the shield cap in pvp. The shield size can't exceed 60% of your hp value, so in pve you would have a 20k+ shield but it's capped at 10k because of your low hp pool. In pvp that 20k shield value is halved to 10k, giving you the same shield size as in pve approximately. The only difference is that in pve your shield capped and in pvp it isn't.

Also, imo 100 points into bastion is extremely wasteful because of diminishing returns and 61k magicka specs tend to be ineffective in today's meta.

Last part first ... this was simply done as a test and not in any way supposed to be something that survives this meta. For what it’s worth I can actually tank a bit better with it in one on one or one on 2 or 3 situations. The main drawback is being more quickly melted by 20 people. Which, honestly, I don’t care that I’m dead in 0.01 seconds instead of 4 seconds in that regard. I can, however, merc the heck out of “unkillable” tanks from 30 yards away so that’s neat.

But that aside ... my health in PVE is 18.5 after gold food.

Thank you for the info on shield caps in your first paragraph. That makes sense. Still very odd that I can have a shield that is stronger in PVP but now I understand why.

THEDKEXPERIENCE · February 2021

jaws343 wrote: »

THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »

caperb wrote: »

THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »

caperb wrote: »

What is your max mag, health and bastion cp?

That number should be almost impossible with a normal build with first the shield cap an then the battle spirit debuff.

I just lagged out so I can answer in better detail after I log back in.

Off of memory it’s just under 61k Magic, 23.5 Health in Cyrodiil and I think I have either 70 or 100 into bastion.

I’ll look again after dinner.

Oh damn, that's a nice magicka pool and a lot of points into bastion, so a 12k shield doesn't sound that strange.

I was mostly wondering why that one would be larger in PVP than PVE. My other shield gets cut in half from Battle Spirit.

Bastion is 100.

60992 magic
2 Willpower
1 Domihaus
1 Maw of The Infernal
5 Crafty Alfiq
3 Ancient Grace
Gold Food

PVE shield levels ...

Dampen Magic: 10263 (1550 lower than in PVP)
Ward Ally: 10443 (4955 higher than in PVP)

I am fairly certain the other shields are bugged and battle spirit is applying after the health cap and not before the health cap. But also, some shields are just generally smaller than the sorc shield.

To be clear this was done on a Magplar.

jaws343 · February 2021

THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »

jaws343 wrote: »

THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »

caperb wrote: »

THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »

caperb wrote: »

What is your max mag, health and bastion cp?

That number should be almost impossible with a normal build with first the shield cap an then the battle spirit debuff.

I just lagged out so I can answer in better detail after I log back in.

Off of memory it’s just under 61k Magic, 23.5 Health in Cyrodiil and I think I have either 70 or 100 into bastion.

I’ll look again after dinner.

Oh damn, that's a nice magicka pool and a lot of points into bastion, so a 12k shield doesn't sound that strange.

I was mostly wondering why that one would be larger in PVP than PVE. My other shield gets cut in half from Battle Spirit.

Bastion is 100.

60992 magic
2 Willpower
1 Domihaus
1 Maw of The Infernal
5 Crafty Alfiq
3 Ancient Grace
Gold Food

PVE shield levels ...

Dampen Magic: 10263 (1550 lower than in PVP)
Ward Ally: 10443 (4955 higher than in PVP)

I am fairly certain the other shields are bugged and battle spirit is applying after the health cap and not before the health cap. But also, some shields are just generally smaller than the sorc shield.

To be clear this was done on a Magplar.

Ah, I missed the addendum that it was Dampen Magic. So, the restro shield and blazing shield are also both smaller than Dampen and Hardened Ward by default.