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DK’s already have no crit
IrishOphidia
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So if we’re pulling back critical chance, which I agree with, how are we planning to bring other classes in line? DKs were already at the bottom of the pack because they have no crit chance built into their class passives. These changes make this even worse. So are we getting any passive changes to counteract this?
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Vevvev✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I hope so as each time they pull the crit chance down the more I have to modify my build just to go over 40% without getting a dedicated critical set. With this next change on the PTS while I'm wearing 5 pieces of armor I'll lose another 5% crit.PC NA - Ceyanna Ashton - Breton Vampire MagDK1 -
Suna_Ye_Sunnabe✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Mag dk pve has been in a bad place since Scalebreaker (the brief surge of glory with asylum inferno staff and elfbane notwithstanding). All this nerfing to crit in general though is very concerning to me for this reason and more though, as magicka relies very very heavily on crit, and yet I see no such nerfs to stamina.Angua Anyammis Ae Sunna2 -
redspecter23✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭If the crit drops low enough, do we just enter a Malacath meta for PvE? Or do we just avoid classes that don't crit well because they lack synergy with the rest of the group?4 -
iksde✭✭✭✭I guess doors for raw stats builds will open like it was viable before for mag sorc to stack max mag to 60k and staying at 40% crit chance and so leaving crit classes feeling nerf much more0 -
ke.sardenb14_ESO✭✭✭DK is at least 10k behind other classes because it is the only class in the game without a single universal passive for dps. Until the get either pen, crit rate, crit Damage, Damage buffs, or percent damaged increases; DK will remain at the bottom of the pack.3 -
ke.sardenb14_ESO✭✭✭Suna_Ye_Sunnabe wrote: »Mag dk pve has been in a bad place since Scalebreaker (the brief surge of glory with asylum inferno staff and elfbane notwithstanding). All this nerfing to crit in general though is very concerning to me for this reason and more though, as magicka relies very very heavily on crit, and yet I see no such nerfs to stamina.
The core of stamina dps is weapon crit. Berserking warrior, the end all be all for stamina crit, took 992 reduction to crit rate. So trust me stamina got it harder, since mother sorrow only dropped 761.0 -
zvavi✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭ke.sardenb14_ESO wrote: »Suna_Ye_Sunnabe wrote: »Mag dk pve has been in a bad place since Scalebreaker (the brief surge of glory with asylum inferno staff and elfbane notwithstanding). All this nerfing to crit in general though is very concerning to me for this reason and more though, as magicka relies very very heavily on crit, and yet I see no such nerfs to stamina.
The core of stamina dps is weapon crit. Berserking warrior, the end all be all for stamina crit, took 992 reduction to crit rate. So trust me stamina got it harder, since mother sorrow only dropped 761.
U r laughing but if they are combining spell and weapon crit then all magicka might be running tzogvin next patch1 -
Suna_Ye_Sunnabe✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭ke.sardenb14_ESO wrote: »Suna_Ye_Sunnabe wrote: »Mag dk pve has been in a bad place since Scalebreaker (the brief surge of glory with asylum inferno staff and elfbane notwithstanding). All this nerfing to crit in general though is very concerning to me for this reason and more though, as magicka relies very very heavily on crit, and yet I see no such nerfs to stamina.
The core of stamina dps is weapon crit. Berserking warrior, the end all be all for stamina crit, took 992 reduction to crit rate. So trust me stamina got it harder, since mother sorrow only dropped 761.
I don't play stamina, admittedly. But in order for me to be even effective on most of my classes, I need at least 2k spell damage and 70% crit. That's becoming very hard to come by, even building heavily around crit. My magblade and magplar especially must have that crit, or they have no other source of damage due to years of heavy nerfs. Now add these new nerfs to the equation... of not just Mother's Sorrow, but also the demolition of crit bonuses to light armour? I have nothing to fall back on.Angua Anyammis Ae Sunna1 -
ke.sardenb14_ESO✭✭✭ke.sardenb14_ESO wrote: »Suna_Ye_Sunnabe wrote: »Mag dk pve has been in a bad place since Scalebreaker (the brief surge of glory with asylum inferno staff and elfbane notwithstanding). All this nerfing to crit in general though is very concerning to me for this reason and more though, as magicka relies very very heavily on crit, and yet I see no such nerfs to stamina.
The core of stamina dps is weapon crit. Berserking warrior, the end all be all for stamina crit, took 992 reduction to crit rate. So trust me stamina got it harder, since mother sorrow only dropped 761.
U r laughing but if they are combining spell and weapon crit then all magicka might be running tzogvin next patch
I'm not laughing, but I never considered that and it is kinda funny and that would be nice considering penetration is dropping for mag.Suna_Ye_Sunnabe wrote: »ke.sardenb14_ESO wrote: »Suna_Ye_Sunnabe wrote: »Mag dk pve has been in a bad place since Scalebreaker (the brief surge of glory with asylum inferno staff and elfbane notwithstanding). All this nerfing to crit in general though is very concerning to me for this reason and more though, as magicka relies very very heavily on crit, and yet I see no such nerfs to stamina.
The core of stamina dps is weapon crit. Berserking warrior, the end all be all for stamina crit, took 992 reduction to crit rate. So trust me stamina got it harder, since mother sorrow only dropped 761.
I don't play stamina, admittedly. But in order for me to be even effective on most of my classes, I need at least 2k spell damage and 70% crit. That's becoming very hard to come by, even building heavily around crit. My magblade and magplar especially must have that crit, or they have no other source of damage due to years of heavy nerfs. Now add these new nerfs to the equation... of not just Mother's Sorrow, but also the demolition of crit bonuses to light armour? I have nothing to fall back on.
I don't want to turn this in to a mag v stam forum because I think we all agree the DK needs something better then combustion and searing heat. But I will say if current patch holds the crit rate you receive from medium armor will be brought in line with light armor, which is often the source of higher crit rates in stamina.0 -
oscarovegren✭✭✭The new +150% chance for poison and burning proc from the new CP passive may solve some sustain issues but overall combustion doesnt work as effective as something flat like templars rune and cost reduction for example1
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✭✭✭✭✭redspecter23 wrote: »If the crit drops low enough, do we just enter a Malacath meta for PvE? Or do we just avoid classes that don't crit well because they lack synergy with the rest of the group?
I thought so, too. With the changes in the CP system that remove a lot of +% bonuses or replace them with direct bonuses to attributes/damage, Malacath also gets a relative buff. I don't know how the math will work out in the end, but it's worth to keep an eye on.
Probably mainly for DK and Sorc though, as Templar, NB, Warden and Necro all have some kind of crit passives you might not want to waste.Alandrol Sul: He's making another Numidium?!?
Vivec: Worse, buddy. They're buying it.0 -
ke.sardenb14_ESO✭✭✭I'd like to see DK get the a passive that works opposite to the sorc, where they do more damage, the lower a targets heal is. That gives them execute with having to give them executeEdited by ke.sardenb14_ESO on February 1, 2021 7:44AM3
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IrishOphidia✭✭✭oscarovegren wrote: »The new +150% chance for poison and burning proc from the new CP passive may solve some sustain issues but overall combustion doesnt work as effective as something flat like templars rune and cost reduction for example
I have noticed that the dropping in popularity for 5/1/1 has really helped. I’ve been able to go 7 Light and it’s more manageable. Not great, but manageable.
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robpr✭✭✭✭✭
✭redspecter23 wrote: »If the crit drops low enough, do we just enter a Malacath meta for PvE? Or do we just avoid classes that don't crit well because they lack synergy with the rest of the group?
Except it doesnt work very well. Stacked up as much spell damage as I could from 810cp. Yes, I'm aware that dummy resistances are bugged.
Edited by robpr on February 1, 2021 2:24PM2 -
ArcVelarian✭✭✭✭✭Zeni has already made it abundantly clear they don't care about DKs.
Murphy's Law of PvP : If it can be abused and or exploited, it will be abused and or exploited.0 -
ke.sardenb14_ESO✭✭✭ArcVelarian wrote: »Zeni has already made it abundantly clear they don't care about DKs.
Right the issue, is zeni made DOT class, then made a spam meta basically kicking it to the curb.2
