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Bretons the Boring
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MasterSpatula✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭ESO did Bretons dirty, but it's not fair to judge them just off ESO."A probable impossibility is preferable to an improbable possibility." - Aristotle3 -
Pauwer✭✭✭✭✭I also play many bretons, i like the passives in pvp. My mag chars are bretons and stam chars wood elves.0 -
Parasaurolophus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭In fairness, every Tamrielic nation is poorly represented in vanilla content. For example, the Altmer on Auridon and the Altmer on Summerset are like two different nations.PC/EU2 -
Vanya✭✭✭✭✭MasterSpatula wrote: »ESO did Bretons dirty, but it's not fair to judge them just off ESO.
I judge based on the content provided in game,not lore-wise. What matters in ESOis most important, For example I am not going to create a blad non-intriguing character being surrounded by similar mundane npcs. They did Nords exceptionally well in TESV in ESO its equal if not better in some parts it could have been worse.Surely Bretons mayhap appear more spectacular in random book you read , but based on what I saw tis massively contrasting.0 -
Vlad9425✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭The rumour is that TES6 will take place in Hammerfell and High Rock so Breton lore will be expanded there.0 -
Vanya✭✭✭✭✭BrownChicken wrote: »In fairness, every Tamrielic nation is poorly represented in vanilla content. For example, the Altmer on Auridon and the Altmer on Summerset are like two different nations.The rumour is that TES6 will take place in Hammerfell and High Rock so Breton lore will be expanded there.
Hammerfell is the greatest choice, Yokudan magic, Sword singers,Massive underrated land, Hammerfell is not all pure Desert. I find their culture,honorable wise people extremely interesting and their unmatched warriors at least as individuals, That region has enormous potental to add some magic monsters,Look at Sai Sahan,
Hammerfell alone driven out Thalmor and Empire during its peak might only succeeded becase their king died, it was stated.
I love High elves,Nords but I have to give Redguards legendary stats, Their architecture is intricate, Hammerfell has incredibly rich history, being occupied by Aylieds,Dwemer ,
Anything other in Tamriel would be a foolish choice, with only expcetion of adding Yokuda or Akavir but then we are going half a world away
Tis shame I dont see many Redguards around, but i know why I am just not going to say it because is sad, some people who experience unpleasant things in game will now what I speak off.
After Skyrim.Dragons,Dragonborn, Comes Hammerfell Asani protagnoisit Sword Singer, Hammerfell has all what it takes to overthrown SKyrim it will be very hard to beat enormous stats and Legend of Sykyrim but if its one nation and region that can in Tamriel at least now that is left its Hammerfell.Edited by Vanya on February 1, 2021 12:41PM0 -
MasterSpatula✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭MasterSpatula wrote: »ESO did Bretons dirty, but it's not fair to judge them just off ESO.
I judge based on the content provided in game,not lore-wise. What matters in ESOis most important, For example I am not going to create a blad non-intriguing character being surrounded by similar mundane npcs. They did Nords exceptionally well in TESV in ESO its equal if not better in some parts it could have been worse.Surely Bretons mayhap appear more spectacular in random book you read , but based on what I saw tis massively contrasting.
I'm guessing you never heard of a little game called "Daggerfall.""A probable impossibility is preferable to an improbable possibility." - Aristotle4 -
Vanya✭✭✭✭✭Zodiarkslayer wrote: »
Classical fantasy is boring Even Nords are far more interesting but they are most humanly race that can be , but we all know why Nords are so badass,cool with incredibly old history and well unless you have been born "under the High Rock" you will know why Nords one of the most popular, its not about Dragonborn or Dragon it goes in other ways as well. I certainly haven't created Nord in ESO because Nords have affinity and their heroes used Thu'um for instance.
Exactly why Bretons are boring, they are as I mentioned too common.Edited by Vanya on February 1, 2021 1:04PM0 -
Zodiarkslayer✭✭✭✭✭
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Bretons. Quite possibly the only race that I personally find least interesting. They seem to appear Hmph, let us call it too simplistic,standard compared to other races of Tamriel.
- Breton's lore? Extremely limited, Their culture,characters, Never heard of them personally except High King Emeric or "Bretons" as one of the playable races in TES
- They are politically divided as well, even their religion views and feudal culture system and society is again too standard.
- There is very little content related to Bretons in general them being 2nd or 1st most shunned race with Poor orcs
- Breton style is a turn off, their architecture made of stone or wood typically resembles those from Medieval England for instance.
- Breton characters aesthetically look least appealing both males or females, even Nords are superior
- I yet have to find my favorite Breton NPC with exception of Golden Knight champion of Meridia who had good sense of humor, no i have not experienced Daggerfall covenant, I am sure they have a great story, but I will play as Redguard
- Daggerfall covenant is by far the weakest faction ,divided,least populated,politically,economically and lackingsheer military might or strength of numbers as Aldmeri Dominion or Ebonheart pact. Its really a miracle how they manage to convince the Orcs to join. Bretons are deluded,High elves are number 1 magic users for instance. Nords have way bigger army,Redguards may be most talented but way too independent and scattered DC teritory is smallest as well.
- High rock in particular Glenumbra or Stormhaven at least for me have not captured the magic charm or intensity like other zones, Do not mistake me they are all unique and special in their ownnn way. But in high rock i often feel I explore Planet Earth not Tamriel ,at least Southern part,Rivenspire seems different.
- I have explored region and analyzed Bretons enough in my own view to safely say they are by far the least captivating race of them all
- Even Breton racial passive skills are overrated, Nords beating them by nearly double in their spell resistance.
So much for famous Breton super magical resist, they were better in TESV with 25% magic resistance.
I wonder however does anyone else share my outlook?
I think one of the reason for your percieved boredom, that is breton culture, is the fact that it has never been any different from the classical alessian imperial culture.
Before St. Alessia, the breton culture was close to and derivitive of the Direnni high elven culture. They were their slaves after all.
After the Alessian Order conquered the Ayleids, every notion of elven culture was frowned upon or outright forbidden. There were a lot of progromes and the like.
From one moment to the next the Bretons had shed the elven supremacy, only to be consumed by the Imperial. That is also why the predominantly associated traits of Bretons are Mercantile, Court Intrigue, Spycraft, Assasinations, Politics and the like. It is what they are good at. Because they had to be good at it.
The implementationand display of breton culture and history in ESO is really good in that regard.
I can think of at least three Zone Stories, where Court Intrigue, Succession and Politics play a major Role!
That would be Stormhaven, Rivenspire and Bankorai, in case anyone wonders...
And by the way, I think ZOS agreed with you on the racial passive issue. They decided to BUFF BRETONS and nerf nords, after all!
No Effort, No Reward?
No Reward, No Effort!0 -
Odovacar✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭P.S. Bretons are pretty much done,High rock is expanded. AlsoI like them for their human/European looks (love the dark hair). Not to mention my Templar healer enjoys their passives too, lol.
Beautiful Breton
No race can call themselves gorgeous not even remotely close to Dominant Superior Altmer, High elves. Tsk tsk. She would give you that hard stare.
LOL, I see what you're trying to say but it looks to me your Altmer is a little pissy from getting slapped around during Mid-Year Mayhem. /clears throat my little lady is a former empress and isn't one to be intimidated by snooty high elves, js
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Misty✭✭✭Always have played Breton until I recently came back to the game now I have gone wood elf, and it's like a breath of fresh air. They play a lot differently.0 -
Synthwavius✭✭✭✭P.S. Bretons are pretty much done,High rock is expanded. AlsoI like them for their human/European looks (love the dark hair). Not to mention my Templar healer enjoys their passives too, lol.
Beautiful Breton
No race can call themselves gorgeous not even remotely close to Dominant Superior Altmer, High elves. Tsk tsk. She would give you that hard stare.
Now show me handsome Altmer male that doesn't look like Saruman...1 -
Iccotak✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Zodiarkslayer wrote: »
Classical fantasy is boring Even Nords are far more interesting but they are most humanly race that can be , but we all know why Nords are so badass,cool with incredibly old history and well unless you have been born "under the High Rock" you will know why Nords one of the most popular, its not about Dragonborn or Dragon it goes in other ways as well. I certainly haven't created Nord in ESO because Nords have affinity and their heroes used Thu'um for instance.
Exactly why Bretons are boring, they are as I mentioned too common.
Nords are inspired by things like Conan, Swords & Sorcery type fantasy
Bretons are inspired by things like Tolkien and Classical Fantasy (which can be done well, problem I see is that ESO just didn't do good execution of it)
Perhaps one day we will get a Blackreach or Oblivion Plane dlc that is related to Bretons that could do them better justice.0 -
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They are. But, TES's Bretons are more based on the French side of things than the British. Beyond that, it's probably no coincidence that the Bretons look a little bit like Warhammer's Bretonians. (Though, the Bretonians are more heavily influenced by French versions of the King Arthur legend.)0 -
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✭I am the very model of a scientist Salarian, I've studied species Turian, Asari, and Batarian.
I'm quite good at genetics (as a subset of biology) because I am an expert (which I know is a tautology).
My xenoscience studies range from urban to agrarian, I am the very model of a Scientist Salarian.0 -
NotaDaedraWorshipper✭✭✭✭✭
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Classical fantasy is boring Even Nords are far more interesting but they are most humanly race that can be , but we all know why Nords are so badass,cool with incredibly old history and well unless you have been born "under the High Rock" you will know why Nords one of the most popular, its not about Dragonborn or Dragon it goes in other ways as well. I certainly haven't created Nord in ESO because Nords have affinity and their heroes used Thu'um for instance.
Exactly why Bretons are boring, they are as I mentioned too common.
I think nords are way more boring and unintersting than bretons, and I'm not even that interested in bretons.
But I still know that those who think bretons are just generic medieval brits/french, don't know that much about their lore.Edited by NotaDaedraWorshipper on February 1, 2021 9:53PM[Lie] Of course! I don't even worship Daedra!1 -
Klad✭✭✭✭/Puts on slow jam
Yeah I like me some Briton girls.Edited by Klad on February 1, 2021 10:01PM0 -
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✭I have always loved that Bretons have elven blood. Breton and bosmer for life 🙂0 -
Tryxus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Cirantille wrote: »They are a bit basic not gonna lie
Our lore and history may be a bit on the bland side... but:
- Our knightly orders are honorable and strong, having defended our lands from Reachmen, Orcs, Nords and Redguards
- Our Elven blood makes us very powerful mages
- We may be divided into many kingdoms, but we do have a strong sense of unity when it calls for it
- Our flexibility and adventurous spirit has taken us all over Tamriel and allowed us to adapt no matter where we travel
- We are handsome
- We have been top tier in many Elder Scrolls games
- We are far from basic...
Forever Breton"Stand strong, stay true and shelter all."
Tryxus - Guardian of the Green - Warden - PC/EU3 -
Supreme_Atromancer✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I doubt that TES' Bretons are based on modern-day, real-world Bretons in France - the iron age, celtic speaking inhabitants of Britain were the original Bretons. The name was probably used to distinguish them from germanic- and mediterranean- inspired races.
The original games in the series based this race off of medieval french and british arthurian tradition, with its fey, celtic undertones. You just need to look at a good cross-section of the lore names of Bretons to see that.
Regarding boring Bretons/High Rock, sadly I think this is true. But its only because ZOS did not have a good feel for what was available in the lore. There are massive, obvious cues for inspiration for the Bretons, but the writers missed them all, sadly. The story of High Rock is full of energy, intrigue and conflict; Daggerfall and Wayrest are anciently rival cities, founded in different eras by different people, whilst both look down their noses at provincial and distant Evermore and Jehanna. In ESO, each city is pretty much a carbon-copy of the other, in terms of personality. The Direnni are a massive part of the history of High Rock, but the developers opted instead to tack the name on some distinctly Breton towers (you can only know if you notice the one single loadscreen), and then saturated the province with Ayleid ruins instead. You'd be forgiven for thinking that the subzone of Ephesus, which in lore is a mountainous region inhabited by Redguards right on the borderlands between High Rock and Hammerfell must have some interesting stories to tell. But there's absolutely *nothing* referring to it anywhere. Nothing in the landscape, the ruins or story at all. We only know its an entity at all because of the name of one single, lonely dolmen, the sub-zone name, and literally nothing else.
They seem to have been at such a loss for Breton inspiration that they just gave half the province over to the orcs and called it a day. The demand for lore involving poorly understood, gentlemen orcs in Han-era finery must have left little room for the idea that this was once Breton territory. So there is little left for future High Rock, sadly. Expect at best something cheesy like a random breton city teleported to Oblivion or somesuch.2 -
Massacre_Wurm✭✭✭✭✭Yep.
We have majestic Auridon , unique architecture and fauna of Morrowind/Stonefalls etc. And dull , boring , pedestrian Glenumbra. At least Alik'r desert has some style. But still DC is my least favorite in terms of races and questing.
Also i dont like orcs. And Wrothgar dlc.1
