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Does 12Man Group Hurt Your Guild in Pvp?
Serjustin19
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Update: Last option is supposed to be Bad instead of buy in the sentence. Autocorrect on tablet...
I know this change is not good for some of us. I'm opened minded though. I feel someday 24 man group would return. In mean time, this current day(s); As a guild leader what you feel after loosing the 24?
Edited by Serjustin19 on December 6, 2020 6:51PM I know this change is not good for some of us. I'm opened minded though. I feel someday 24 man group would return. In mean time, this current day(s); As a guild leader what you feel after loosing the 24?
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Does 12Man Group Hurt Your Guild in Pvp? 49 votes
No Fun
18%
9 votes
Complicated
2%
1 vote
Nice
44%
22 votes
Bad
16%
8 votes
Manageable(how)
10%
5 votes
Stressful, Buy Manageable (how)
8%
4 votes
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✭✭✭✭✭This combined with making heals and buffs group-only seem a really bad idea to me.
I’m not sure why the group size limitation — does that help the servers? I would think group size could be manageable if you’re using another means to communicate but the limitation on heals and buffs is crap. If they had instead added an option to keep it within group or just prioritized group, okay. But it really takes away from being AvA when you can’t buff and heal your ally next to you! I thought this was supposed to be “play how you want”... Edited by Araneae6537 on December 7, 2020 3:09PM3 -
LarsS✭✭✭✭✭We manage this, we often run 2 groups, second group smallscale if just a few. Two months of pointless testing did hurt the guild much more.GM for The Daggerfall Authority EU PC2 -
Tigor✭✭✭I qualify "No fun" and "Bad" as the same.
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✭We had a regular "group" of mostly solo-players who just liked to chat and have fun in group, while occasionally pointing out to each other where the fights are (while being scattered all over the map). Now, we can't (well, we still have guild chat of course).Meanwhile, it made 12 man ballgroups stronger.Pandora's Promise (rip) | LND | Pactriotic | IKnowWhatUDidLastWinter's | The Uninvited |
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ThreeXB✭✭✭✭12 man / no healing outside group killing the 2 pvp guilds I'm in ☹. I'm on ps4 na and in 2 major EP pvp guilds with 900 combined guildies and it's hard to find a group running between both guilds since changes 😥😥0 -
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✭✭✭12 man / no healing outside group killing the 2 pvp guilds I'm in ☹. I'm on ps4 na and in 2 major EP pvp guilds with 900 combined guildies and it's hard to find a group running between both guilds since changes 😥😥
Maybe you should make one?@Solar_Breeze
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ThePedge✭✭✭✭✭Seeing as we run a maximum of four, with the healing changes this has been a huge improvement in PvP gameplay.1 -
Serjustin19✭✭✭✭✭All good responses and fair to.Formerly Serjustin19, Save for Forum Of Course.... Fiery_Darkness (PC NA) currently.1
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Zoaiy✭Araneae6537 wrote: »This combined with making heals and buffs group-only seem a really bad idea to me. I’m not sure why the group size limitation — does that help the servers? I would think group size could be manageable if you’re using another means to communicate but the limitation on heals and buffs is crap. If they had instead added an option to keep it within group or just prioritized group, okay. But it really takes away from being AvA when you can’t buff and heal your ally next to you! I thought this was supposed to be “play how you want”...
It did help the servers, everytime you cast a heal spell the game has to go through a list of all possible targets. Now it just has to go through a list of your group members
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Almost that one. I think we still have maybe 7 of us(Out of a few hundred) who still play.Joy_Division wrote: »Need another option: Guild left the game.Veit ég aðég hékk vindga meiði á nætr allar níu, geiri undaðr og gefinn Oðni, sjálfr sjálfum mér, á þeim meiði er manngi veit hvers hann af rótum rennr.1 -
SgtNuttzmeg✭✭✭✭I think saying this change didn't hurt the PvP community is very disingenous. That being said it was a change that needed to happen and should have been implemented back in beta. I think the main groups negatively effected is the casual PvP player base. The pugs. We have seen a significant drop in the number of casual guilds and people who run casual groups.Legions of Mordor Core
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✭✭Araneae6537 wrote: »This combined with making heals and buffs group-only seem a really bad idea to me. I’m not sure why the group size limitation — does that help the servers? I would think group size could be manageable if you’re using another means to communicate but the limitation on heals and buffs is crap. If they had instead added an option to keep it within group or just prioritized group, okay. But it really takes away from being AvA when you can’t buff and heal your ally next to you! I thought this was supposed to be “play how you want”...
It did help the servers, everytime you cast a heal spell the game has to go through a list of all possible targets. Now it just has to go through a list of your group members
If that's true, next we need to drastically reduce/cap aoe & multi target damage abilities.
Maybe 1-3 capped within a pvp enviroment.Edited by Wolfpaw on January 15, 2021 5:29PM0 -
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✭✭✭Araneae6537 wrote: »This combined with making heals and buffs group-only seem a really bad idea to me. I’m not sure why the group size limitation — does that help the servers? I would think group size could be manageable if you’re using another means to communicate but the limitation on heals and buffs is crap. If they had instead added an option to keep it within group or just prioritized group, okay. But it really takes away from being AvA when you can’t buff and heal your ally next to you! I thought this was supposed to be “play how you want”...
It did help the servers, everytime you cast a heal spell the game has to go through a list of all possible targets. Now it just has to go through a list of your group members
If that's true, next we need to drastically reduce/cap aoe & multi target damage abilities.
Maybe 1-3 capped within a pvp enviroment.
Healing is capped to 6 aside from some skills like barrier. Damage used to be capped and the community as a whole wanted uncapped. Capped dmg leads to people actually just stacked on top of each other to mitigate the dmg taken (because there is no smart dmg).
Lets not go backwards.@Solar_Breeze
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