I kinda wish they would make trials harder, so they could sell the trial sets in Crown Store for PvP players 😉

ZOS will tell you that's all a conspiracy. Just a very convenient set of facts that all line up. Just a coincidence. Don't talk about it. They don't like it. They provide the facts then silence anyone that brings up the connection.

I don't think that was the reason, but I am still pissed off at them for doing it.

I'm not going to make another character because of it.

Scardan wrote: »

It is easy to get assault rank 5, therefore I do not think that this was marketing decision.

Easy is relative and also amplified by the number of toons that this change inconveniences. I had all my toons to rank 10 before this change was announced, but I'm aware that I'm an outlier. This game is targeting a larger, casual audience. Anyone that plays a few hours a week with multiple toons and also doesn't enjoy pvp got a massive nerf with this change. Being aware of the impact on others, while being unaffected yourself can be helpful when examining the whole picture.

Many in this thread have stated how easy it is to get it back while glossing over the fact that it was taken away in the first place when it didn't have to be. A decision was made to do that, as well as add alliance rank pots simultaneously. We also have the ability to buy rank 10 if one toon has it already. ZOS may not have had any ill intent when making these combined changes, but how people choose to view it is up to them. ZOS hopefully is aware of the optics of the situation whether or not they were intentionally trying to upset players.

I was initially upset that I lost rapids on a bunch of alts but I've come to appreciate the easy access to vigor. CONFLICTED.

PizzaCat82 wrote: »

I've got 6 alts that get to grind in Cyro now just so they can quest quicker. The audacity is amazing. I know they wont do anything about it, just in awe.

Just forget rapids. Get ring of wild hunt, and you’ll be faster, for longer and without need to spend stamina to cast a skill. 👍🏻

People will complain about anything. I personally like the changes so that my stam characters can get their heal faster. It doesnt take long to get either one. So i do not see the issue. It defiantly is not a marketing strat.

I’m still angry about it, too. Cancelled one of my ESO+ accounts over this and I’m playing the game a lot less. I rarely PvP, and having a skill I’d been using on many characters for 6 years really ticked me off.

Starlock wrote: »

kapachia wrote: »

No conspiracy. I think more ppl use vigor than rapid in PvE.

Maybe a conspiracy to help PvE players.

I feel this is the more likely explanation, and I'm hardly one to play apologetics for this corporation either. Honestly, I question why vigor is in the Alliance War skill lines in the first place. It would have made more sense to move it somewhere else entirely and add a new skill that applies to PvP only. Maybe something that buffs crit resist or something and gives damage reduction against players. I don't know.

I think it makes sense to have at least one useful thing from each type of content. I may not be interested in achieving master fisherman, but I’ll spend an hour in Artaeum fishing for a recipe.

I’ll also spend an hour repairing walls for Vigor... with bonus points for the 3 skill points and 50 transmute crystals I get in the process.

Okay here is the thing, even if you hate to pvp, all you have to do and its very easy to get to rank five is queue battlegrounds . It does a little bit of effort to get to second place though or even first if your lucky and it all depends on your team as your team can do much of the work and it does not matter if you die or are not very good at it though not dieing as much does matter in death match.
The ap requirements are not very high, and especially goes faster if they have the event going on which is happening soonish after the reveal, which doubles it so you can have it unlocked a lot quicker.
All you need is 98,000 ap points that is it. So if your a higher place on your teams score you can get extra ap I think. But the rewards for the battlegrounds are better then doing Cyrodiil.
First place at least, 12000/14000 something.
Second at least 10000 something.
Third is like 7000/8000 something.
Battlegrounds are the way you level it up to five. Plus there is other rewards you get as well through the mail. Plus there is even a furnishing lead for doing it for the Alessia Statue not to mention possible outfit unlocks though that is rng.
So there is benefits for doing the Battlegrounds.
Plus there is game modes where you can be very good at too. Relic running isn't all that hard even if you suck. Though it all depends on what players are doing and how well they defend their bases.

Just do it like everyone else has to do it and you will unlock it in no time at all. With the ap rewards you can get you will have it unlocked within one or two hours. Depending on how long it takes each match and if you got second or first place.
Me I tend to do it for the exp and not the ap.
I mean they can change it so it unlocks after just one or two battlegrounds. Making it like very easy to unlock. They could do that, but right now its just fine the way it is.

This is an example say this is your ap gain for each round depending on which place you got. 13000+12000+10000+7500, that is if you got the battlegrounds in that order of wins and second places and then a third place. For four queues of battlegrounds in this example. You get 42500 then say you get a bunch of second place and third place aps 11000+8500+10500+8250+7500 then you get 88250 then you get at least one first place with the an ap of 14000 and you then have 102250 ap. You need at least 98000.
So for ten battlegrounds in that example you have the skill unlocked. It all depends on the rng and how many first or second places you get. The More first places you get the faster it levels. The more second places you get the faster it levels. If you get more third places then it takes longer.

You do have to pvp a little bit but not to many times. Plus the tutorials for the pvp zone does help it out. Not to mention doing one or two of the dailies for the battlegrounds which gives 2000 ap.
Okay now if you did this, Welcome to Cyrodiil gives 3000 ap, seige weapons tutorial rewards 3000 ap, then the last one reporting for duty gives you 750 ap. So in total doing that one alone gives you a good start giving you 6750 ap.
The introduction daily for one battleground gives you 2000 ap. Which you don't have to win just got to take part of it. which brings it up to 8750 easy ap that along with the first reward you get from a battle ground say you got like 10000 ap in your first battle ground you would have 18750 ap. Then you only need 79250 ap to unlock. Which you can get by doing the battle grounds and even the dailies which will help along with it. Plus each queue you do helps with your leveling and especially if you use an exp scroll. You can level up a lot quicker by doing the battlegrounds then you would just questing.

Its so simple to unlock it and you don't have to be good at pvp. Just got to do the battlegrounds for a short period of time. Pvpers do have to interact with pve stuff to get their pvp gear. So its only fair that pvers have to do the same with the pvp stuff. Plus who knows you might even come to enjoy the battlegrounds pvp.

zvavi wrote: »

All my characters already had at least lvl 6 because of barrier. useful situational skill.

Not true for me, but I did at least get them to 5 in the last event.

I also banked 35 50-crystal geodes over the last two events. It's not 36 because, evidently, under-Level-50 PvP doesn't give them.