Seriously sigh
Vanya
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Gamble with Crown crates is ridiculous , Why did i spent 15 USD ended with 4 crates, ultimatlely 25 GEMS I was hoping to get my Wolf pup which is Legendary reward but then again i ended with 1/4 what i need to extract doing math means i need crazy luck or to burn 3x more to get 1 mount,pet,costume..
Crazy, Never again lesson learned. I will save for house from ESO plus reward from now on
Off to return to my exploration and quests
Crazy, Never again lesson learned. I will save for house from ESO plus reward from now on
Off to return to my exploration and quests
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redspecter23✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Buying crates with an expectation or even just a faint hope of pulling one exact thing will usually lead to disappointment. Crates can be decent if you are looking for a large variety of items, usually lower tier.11 -
Vanya✭✭✭✭✭BY AZURA STAR can dev EXPLAIN why Would ICE wolf pup be considered Legendary reward a pet? ?? 100 Gems,
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Vanya✭✭✭✭✭redspecter23 wrote: »Buying crates with an expectation or even just a faint hope of pulling one exact thing will usually lead to disappointment. Crates can be decent if you are looking for a large variety of items, usually lower tier.
True, but i wanted specific pet , i cannot get it any other way ....plus to get high enough gems i m dissapointed really such a masssive rip off
it does not make sense that onne pet is 16 gems ,other 100 gems3 -
Vanya✭✭✭✭✭Snowy Cabre cub is 16 gems
Ice Wolf pup 100???
5x higher value
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redspecter23✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭redspecter23 wrote: »Buying crates with an expectation or even just a faint hope of pulling one exact thing will usually lead to disappointment. Crates can be decent if you are looking for a large variety of items, usually lower tier.
True, but i wanted specific pet , i cannot get it any other way ....plus to get high enough gems i m dissapointed really such a masssive rip off
it does not make sense that onne pet is 16 gems ,other 100 gems
Doesn't make sense to you or many consumers, but ZOS did just fine. You wanted a pet. You paid. You failed. They still got your crowns in the end. Great deal for them as long as they don't mind how it makes them look overall.9 -
Sanctum74✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭As long as people keep supporting a predatory gambling system then Zos will keep taking advantage of their customers.
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redspecter23✭✭✭✭✭
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"non consequential" is relative. There is a reason that many people say that fashion is the endgame.10 -
Sgrug✭✭✭✭✭redspecter23 wrote: »
"non consequential" is relative. There is a reason that many people say that fashion is the endgame.
If the crown store fashion is now endgame then the whole concept is deeply flawed.
Endgame means earning something, an achievement that takes the effort of having played the game long, becoming skilled and achieving a goal most will not.
As such you are equating spending a lot of money to eventually get a drop OR you want the drops so common as to be meaningless, both scenarios invalidate the end game concept.Edited by Sgrug on January 22, 2021 12:51AM0 -
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✭✭To each their own and spend your money how you want.
I just dont like gambling in gaming. If wanted to gamble would go to a casino....crown crates, no thank you for the reason op mentioned.@Chaos2088 PC EU Server | AD-PvP3 -
Eedat✭✭✭✭✭Just remember the golden rule of gambling. Never gamble more than what you are ok with completely losing3
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Sanctum74✭✭✭✭✭
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Because it’s all limited time stuff that you can’t buy directly. Doesn’t matter what the item is it’s still taking advantage of their customers.
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Sgrug✭✭✭✭✭
Because it’s all limited time stuff that you can’t buy directly. Doesn’t matter what the item is it’s still taking advantage of their customers.
And it is still completely needed, has zero impact on the game and totally voluntary. hardly the definition or predatory.1 -
redspecter23✭✭✭✭✭
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Because it’s all limited time stuff that you can’t buy directly. Doesn’t matter what the item is it’s still taking advantage of their customers.
And it is still completely needed, has zero impact on the game and totally voluntary. hardly the definition or predatory.
It has zero impact on your game, which is why you have this viewpoint. You need to understand that other players, a very large number of them, are much more interested in housing, cosmetics and more casual play. If you measure winning only by how good you are at pvp or how fast you crush hard dungeons and trials, that is fine, but you need to understand others have different priorities. These are the players that ZOS targets and the strategy works and is more widely accepted because we still tend to judge something as pay to win based on more traditional forms of winning. There is a massive amount of money to be made on cosmetics and ZOS is very aware of this.8 -
kargen27✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭redspecter23 wrote: »redspecter23 wrote: »Buying crates with an expectation or even just a faint hope of pulling one exact thing will usually lead to disappointment. Crates can be decent if you are looking for a large variety of items, usually lower tier.
True, but i wanted specific pet , i cannot get it any other way ....plus to get high enough gems i m dissapointed really such a masssive rip off
it does not make sense that onne pet is 16 gems ,other 100 gems
Doesn't make sense to you or many consumers, but ZOS did just fine. You wanted a pet. You paid. You failed. They still got your crowns in the end. Great deal for them as long as they don't mind how it makes them look overall.
With each crate you buy you are getting at least three items. You know going in the three items are random. If you wanted something specific that is on you and you alone. Nothing tricky going on so the how it makes them look doesn't really apply. You got exactly what you agreed to.
Back to Vanya's problem. You can use in game gold and have the crates gifted to you. I used one of the trading sites in Discord and it worked really well.and then the parrot said, "must be the water mines green too."0 -
Eedat✭✭✭✭✭
Because it’s all limited time stuff that you can’t buy directly. Doesn’t matter what the item is it’s still taking advantage of their customers.redspecter23 wrote: »
Because it’s all limited time stuff that you can’t buy directly. Doesn’t matter what the item is it’s still taking advantage of their customers.
And it is still completely needed, has zero impact on the game and totally voluntary. hardly the definition or predatory.
It has zero impact on your game, which is why you have this viewpoint. You need to understand that other players, a very large number of them, are much more interested in housing, cosmetics and more casual play. If you measure winning only by how good you are at pvp or how fast you crush hard dungeons and trials, that is fine, but you need to understand others have different priorities. These are the players that ZOS targets and the strategy works and is more widely accepted because we still tend to judge something as pay to win based on more traditional forms of winning. There is a massive amount of money to be made on cosmetics and ZOS is very aware of this.
Maybe you should try the far superior free to play ways to earn social status, since that seems to be your "endgame". Such options include (but are not limited to) kindness, generosity, humor, loyalty, dedication, wisdom, courteous, cheerful, humility, understanding, and a whole lot more. Pick a few that match your personality and have at it.
Cosmetics aren't pay2win.2 -
redspecter23✭✭✭✭✭
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Because it’s all limited time stuff that you can’t buy directly. Doesn’t matter what the item is it’s still taking advantage of their customers.redspecter23 wrote: »
Because it’s all limited time stuff that you can’t buy directly. Doesn’t matter what the item is it’s still taking advantage of their customers.
And it is still completely needed, has zero impact on the game and totally voluntary. hardly the definition or predatory.
It has zero impact on your game, which is why you have this viewpoint. You need to understand that other players, a very large number of them, are much more interested in housing, cosmetics and more casual play. If you measure winning only by how good you are at pvp or how fast you crush hard dungeons and trials, that is fine, but you need to understand others have different priorities. These are the players that ZOS targets and the strategy works and is more widely accepted because we still tend to judge something as pay to win based on more traditional forms of winning. There is a massive amount of money to be made on cosmetics and ZOS is very aware of this.
Maybe you should try the far superior free to play ways to earn social status, since that seems to be your "endgame". Such options include (but are not limited to) kindness, generosity, humor, loyalty, dedication, wisdom, courteous, cheerful, humility, understanding, and a whole lot more. Pick a few that match your personality and have at it.
Cosmetics aren't pay2win.
It doesn't matter what you or I or anyone else considers pay to win. It matters that players like cosmetics and ZOS makes money off of it. You can call it whatever you want. Of course you do have a point about your other suggestions on social goals. All of those things can contribute to a fun gaming experience and that's really what matters. Players do what they want and enjoy the game in the ways they choose to do so. Kindness, generosity, humor and all the rest are amazing traits and none of them are locked behind a paywall. Many cosmetics are.8 -
Sanctum74✭✭✭✭✭
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Because it’s all limited time stuff that you can’t buy directly. Doesn’t matter what the item is it’s still taking advantage of their customers.redspecter23 wrote: »
Because it’s all limited time stuff that you can’t buy directly. Doesn’t matter what the item is it’s still taking advantage of their customers.
And it is still completely needed, has zero impact on the game and totally voluntary. hardly the definition or predatory.
It has zero impact on your game, which is why you have this viewpoint. You need to understand that other players, a very large number of them, are much more interested in housing, cosmetics and more casual play. If you measure winning only by how good you are at pvp or how fast you crush hard dungeons and trials, that is fine, but you need to understand others have different priorities. These are the players that ZOS targets and the strategy works and is more widely accepted because we still tend to judge something as pay to win based on more traditional forms of winning. There is a massive amount of money to be made on cosmetics and ZOS is very aware of this.
Maybe you should try the far superior free to play ways to earn social status, since that seems to be your "endgame". Such options include (but are not limited to) kindness, generosity, humor, loyalty, dedication, wisdom, courteous, cheerful, humility, understanding, and a whole lot more. Pick a few that match your personality and have at it.
Cosmetics aren't pay2win.
Maybe you should try reading comments before replying, nobody said it was pay to win or anything about social status. I have never purchased a clown crate and never will, it’s about taking advantage of customers with limited time items they can’t buy directly so if they want them bad enough they have to keep gambling to get them.
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Sgrug✭✭✭✭✭redspecter23 wrote: »
Because it’s all limited time stuff that you can’t buy directly. Doesn’t matter what the item is it’s still taking advantage of their customers.redspecter23 wrote: »
Because it’s all limited time stuff that you can’t buy directly. Doesn’t matter what the item is it’s still taking advantage of their customers.
And it is still completely needed, has zero impact on the game and totally voluntary. hardly the definition or predatory.
It has zero impact on your game, which is why you have this viewpoint. You need to understand that other players, a very large number of them, are much more interested in housing, cosmetics and more casual play. If you measure winning only by how good you are at pvp or how fast you crush hard dungeons and trials, that is fine, but you need to understand others have different priorities. These are the players that ZOS targets and the strategy works and is more widely accepted because we still tend to judge something as pay to win based on more traditional forms of winning. There is a massive amount of money to be made on cosmetics and ZOS is very aware of this.
Maybe you should try the far superior free to play ways to earn social status, since that seems to be your "endgame". Such options include (but are not limited to) kindness, generosity, humor, loyalty, dedication, wisdom, courteous, cheerful, humility, understanding, and a whole lot more. Pick a few that match your personality and have at it.
Cosmetics aren't pay2win.
It doesn't matter what you or I or anyone else considers pay to win. It matters that players like cosmetics and ZOS makes money off of it. You can call it whatever you want. Of course you do have a point about your other suggestions on social goals. All of those things can contribute to a fun gaming experience and that's really what matters. Players do what they want and enjoy the game in the ways they choose to do so. Kindness, generosity, humor and all the rest are amazing traits and none of them are locked behind a paywall. Many cosmetics are.
Get a job or a better job, buy more crates, spend gems to pick the item you want. Problem solved. No need to make someone else do for you what you can do for yourself.2 -
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✭✭I told all my friends since day 1, never never touch crown crates, dont waste the money.4 -
AcadianPaladin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I don't have a problem with crates in terms of resenting them or ranting about them. They appear to be a successful business model for ZoS. They have their policies and that is fine.
But I also have my policies. I will not buy anything unless I know exactly what it is. That is, no mystery boxes for me. I have enjoyed receiving free crates but never have and never will buy one. I find that somewhat ironic because I have crowns and I'm happy enough (within reason) to spend them on crown store items I want - again, as long as I know exactly what I'm buying and for how much. ZoS would actually profit a lot more from me by offering all items straight up for crowns in the normal crown store.PC NA(no Steam), PvE, mostly solo5 -
WuChiWuGen✭✭✭It's gambling plain and simple, should be able to straight out buy whatever shiny skin you want without spending thousands.
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Katahdin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭It got you to spend money.
The RNG is designed to make you spend lots of money to get what you want
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✭✭✭✭I don't understand why people get so upset about the crown crates. On the one hand, money has to come in for the development and maintenance of the game and not everyone has ESO plus. And on the other hand, as has already been said, nobody is forced to buy the crates. You shouldn't go into it with the expectation of getting something specific, you just have to see it as fun (if you buy crates). You are either lucky or you are not. Not too bad either. Of course there will always be people who cannot control themselves, but dangers of addiction lurk everywhere.2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭WuChiWuGen wrote: »It's gambling plain and simple, should be able to straight out buy whatever shiny skin you want without spending thousands.
Nah it isn't gambling because you get a crate expecting three items and that is what you get. Just like sports card packs. You know you will get a certain number of cards but not what athletes you will get. Or like those gumball machines that give you worthless plastic bobbles, same thing.and then the parrot said, "must be the water mines green too."1 -
Uvi_AUT✭✭✭✭✭Gamble with Crown crates is ridiculous , Why did i spent 15 USD ended with 4 crates, ultimatlely 25 GEMS I was hoping to get my Wolf pup which is Legendary reward but then again i ended with 1/4 what i need to extract doing math means i need crazy luck or to burn 3x more to get 1 mount,pet,costume..
Crazy, Never again lesson learned. I will save for house from ESO plus reward from now on
Off to return to my exploration and quests
The gaming-community and the government is working hard to make Lootboxes illegal. It may take some time, but we will get there some day.
Until then, dont give in. Dont buy Lootboxes in any game, ever.Edited by Uvi_AUT on January 22, 2021 8:51AMRegistered since 2014, Customer Service lost my Forum-Account and can't find it.....4
