I have a suspicion(cross play)

relentless_turnip · January 2021

I don't know if anyone shares this thought....

I think we may be getting cross play soon.
This is only due to the fact a lot of multi platform games have gone this way. Especially under Microsoft and I would be surprised if it didn't happen to ESO. My suspicion is it will be soon.

There also seems to a pattern in terms of a level of complaining and zos creating a solution. Mainly complaints are centred around having to start again if you change platform. Many have made threads asking about cross play too and with a small focus on quality of life improvements(with more coming I suspect) this eases the transition.

Just to be clear I don't think this is a good idea with the game in its current state. I do however think it is something that will happen soon. I can also already imagine the amount complaints and accusations regarding cheating and add ons thrown at the pc community from the console community 😬

I appreciate I don't have much evidence to support this theory. I just wanted to put this out there, because I believe it will happen soon and would like the opportunity to say I told you so 😂

Thevampirenight · January 2021

relentless_turnip wrote: »

I don't know if anyone shares this thought....

I think we may be getting cross play soon.
This is only due to the fact a lot of multi platform games have gone this way. Especially under Microsoft and I would be surprised if it didn't happen to ESO. My suspicion is it will be soon.

There also seems to a pattern in terms of a level of complaining and zos creating a solution. Mainly complaints are centred around having to start again if you change platform. Many have made threads asking about cross play too and with a small focus on quality of life improvements(with more coming I suspect) this eases the transition.

Just to be clear I don't think this is a good idea with the game in its current state. I do however think it is something that will happen soon. I can also already imagine the amount complaints and accusations regarding cheating and add ons thrown at the pc community from the console community 😬

I appreciate I don't have much evidence to support this theory. I just wanted to put this out there, because I believe it will happen soon and would like the opportunity to say I told you so 😂

I don't think Eso will go crossplay, and even then they would have to merge the servers. I don't think Zenimax will do it. Because it would likely be a lot more work, as well as well make things at a disadvantage. I don't think Microsoft will make them do crossplay either.
So I don't think its happening.

Grianasteri · January 2021

Given the nature of ESO (particularly combat I thinking of here), cross platform betwixt Console and PC I feel would be unacceptable. Console player are at such a massive disadvantage it would be unfair. The list of add ons PC players have alone, renders such a suggestion impossible, in my eyes, can anyone seriously argue itd be fair for a vanila console player to face off against a PC player with every add on helping them under the sun? Happy to be persuaded otherwise though.

But, cross play betwixt PS4 and Xbox, absolutely, this would drastically improve the gaming experience and community, IF performance could cope. Double the player base, half the Q times, more players for guilds and activities, it could invigorate ESO player base on console.

NeillMcAttack · January 2021

While I believe Microsoft are very player focused and have always been, even looking back to dedicated servers on their own studio games on the 360, tried to constantly improve the online experience and set huge quality standards. I don’t believe crossplay is something that is even possible, let alone worth the effort for ESO. Don’t get me wrong, I would love to see it.

Many games I try these days, I try solely because they are crossplay, all my colleagues, my friends, and even my family all play on different systems. And it is no secret that the recent COD warfare exploded onto almost every gamers system last summer, which was helped in no small part to the fact anyone could play together, I was playing with many friends I haven’t spoken to in years as a result. And I’m sure that is the same for many.

I would fully support this. But again, the foundation’s of this MMO are quite brittle, changing guild traders, building tools to move players across servers. Etc etc, could be too much of a challenge for even the biggest tech company on the world? Hm, maybe not. But perhaps still not worth the effort.

Grianasteri · January 2021

Just a wee *** bit, one of the best cross play games I have ever experienced, was Paragon... anyone else play that?

Sadly the pro League of Legends type crowd got hold of it and ruined what was an incredible fusion of 3rd person pvp, tower defense, League of Legends esk game play... what they wanted was a new League of Legends and it ruined it cos the devs listened to them - that isnt what Paragon was or should ever have tried to be... but they based their whole business model it seems on the pros picking it up and making it esport profitable.

Anyway, it was cross play, console players vs PC constantly in every game usually, it worked absolutely fine.

Besides the pain I feel over the big Destiny betrayal, Paragon being shut down is one of the biggest gaming travesties in history. A quite incredible game, gone.

zvavi · January 2021

Cross play will not happen...
1. Double and triple names.
2. "Unfairness" of add-ons.
3. Different UI and chat options (voice and stuff on console).
4. No merits.

Artorias24 · January 2021

I mean EU server is already struggling to deal with just PC EU players. Imagine now having console players there too. It will just explode

zaria · January 2021

Thevampirenight wrote: »

relentless_turnip wrote: »

I don't know if anyone shares this thought....

I think we may be getting cross play soon.
This is only due to the fact a lot of multi platform games have gone this way. Especially under Microsoft and I would be surprised if it didn't happen to ESO. My suspicion is it will be soon.

There also seems to a pattern in terms of a level of complaining and zos creating a solution. Mainly complaints are centred around having to start again if you change platform. Many have made threads asking about cross play too and with a small focus on quality of life improvements(with more coming I suspect) this eases the transition.

Just to be clear I don't think this is a good idea with the game in its current state. I do however think it is something that will happen soon. I can also already imagine the amount complaints and accusations regarding cheating and add ons thrown at the pc community from the console community 😬

I appreciate I don't have much evidence to support this theory. I just wanted to put this out there, because I believe it will happen soon and would like the opportunity to say I told you so 😂

I don't think Eso will go crossplay, and even then they would have to merge the servers. I don't think Zenimax will do it. Because it would likely be a lot more work, as well as well make things at a disadvantage. I don't think Microsoft will make them do crossplay either.
So I don't think its happening.

This, for lobby games its pretty easy to add crossplay.
Not so for ESO and it would require merging servers and databases.
In practice moving all account to the other server then they don't offer server transfer of accounts for pay.

And you would get the same high population issues on the new server as a result.

relentless_turnip · January 2021

Apologies for going quiet on this thread. You all make very valid points I just don't have much to say in response.

Elo106 · January 2021

I would love this, one server that holds all characters and you log in to what ever you want NA/EU maybe Asia/Oceanic as well

16BitForestCat · January 2021

I've never understood the "addons make it unfair" thing people keep tossing out to reject cross-platform play. Even on PC/Mac, many players don't use addons, yet people who don't use addons and people who do still play in the same game space fine (while complaining about far worse enemies like glitches and lag).

We tend to think that everyone is a tech-savvy hardcore gamer because that's much of who bothers with places like these forums, but the truth is, most ESO players are just in ESO to play the game itself and never wander into the forums, social media, or addon sites. When you look at how many people have downloaded a particular addon on ESOUI, for example, the number may seem large at first. But many of those digits are just repeat downloads from pre-existing addon users wanting to update or reinstall their mods, not "new customers" downloading an addon for the first time. And if you only counted truly unique, first-time downloads, those numbers definitely would not add up to the entire PC/Mac playerbase.

(Also, addons aren't by default cheats or ridiculous advantage-givers, despite what a lot of salty people want to claim. But that's another debate thread entirely.)

Vlad9425 · January 2021

Crossplay wouldn’t work on this game in it’s current state. There would have to be significant server upgrades before they would even consider this.

Xuhora · January 2021

16BitForestCat wrote: »

I've never understood the "addons make it unfair" thing people keep tossing out to reject cross-platform play. Even on PC/Mac, many players don't use addons, yet people who don't use addons and people who do still play in the same game space fine (while complaining about far worse enemies like glitches and lag).

We tend to think that everyone is a tech-savvy hardcore gamer because that's much of who bothers with places like these forums, but the truth is, most ESO players are just in ESO to play the game itself and never wander into the forums, social media, or addon sites. When you look at how many people have downloaded a particular addon on ESOUI, for example, the number may seem large at first. But many of those digits are just repeat downloads from pre-existing addon users wanting to update or reinstall their mods, not "new customers" downloading an addon for the first time. And if you only counted truly unique, first-time downloads, those numbers definitely would not add up to the entire PC/Mac playerbase.

(Also, addons aren't by default cheats or ridiculous advantage-givers, despite what a lot of salty people want to claim. But that's another debate thread entirely.)

the difference is; if you play on PC and you dont use addons, thats your choice. If you play on console you cannot use addons, even if you would want to. thats where the "unfairness" comes from.
Its not a huge deal in PVE, but i could imagine the serious PVP community seeing it as advantageous having addons.

Something similar happend to Destiny 2 a while ago, since you can play with controller or with M&K. When the system recognizes a controller plugged in, it will run a heavy aim assist. If it recognizes m&k, it will disable this aim assist. Now players found a way to circumvent this system, allowing them to have the aim assist while also playing m&k.

PVP communities tend to be very competitive, which is fine, to each their own i guess. i can understand the argument of having an advantage over the other simply by playing on a different system. i dont think you can dismiss this issue with the argument that other players play in other aspects of a game.

SeaGtGruff · January 2021

Thevampirenight wrote: »

relentless_turnip wrote: »

I don't know if anyone shares this thought....

I think we may be getting cross play soon.
This is only due to the fact a lot of multi platform games have gone this way. Especially under Microsoft and I would be surprised if it didn't happen to ESO. My suspicion is it will be soon.

There also seems to a pattern in terms of a level of complaining and zos creating a solution. Mainly complaints are centred around having to start again if you change platform. Many have made threads asking about cross play too and with a small focus on quality of life improvements(with more coming I suspect) this eases the transition.

Just to be clear I don't think this is a good idea with the game in its current state. I do however think it is something that will happen soon. I can also already imagine the amount complaints and accusations regarding cheating and add ons thrown at the pc community from the console community 😬

I appreciate I don't have much evidence to support this theory. I just wanted to put this out there, because I believe it will happen soon and would like the opportunity to say I told you so 😂

I don't think Eso will go crossplay, and even then they would have to merge the servers. I don't think Zenimax will do it. Because it would likely be a lot more work, as well as well make things at a disadvantage. I don't think Microsoft will make them do crossplay either.
So I don't think its happening.

^^^ I agree. Trying to merge the servers would most likely be a nightmare for various reasons.

For one thing, players are allowed to create a maximum of 18 characters per server, with only the first eight being free; any beyond eight require purchasing an additional character slot from the Crown Store. (If I remember correctly, when Elsweyr was released all players got an additional character slot for free so they could create a Necromancer character if desired-- but that didn't increase the maximum beyond 18 character slots, so only players who had 17 or fewer character slots got another slot for free.) Many players already play on multiple servers, and if all servers were somehow merged then those players might need to either purchase as many additional character slots as needed to accommodate all of their characters, or they might need to delete several characters such that the combined total from all servers did not exceed 18.

For another thing, combining all player characters from all servers into a single database would cause each server's database to be unnecessarily bloated, in the sense that most players wouldn't be playing on all platforms and all servers anyway, hence there'd really be no need for their character data to be included in any given server's database. I don't know if player accounts and player characters ever get purged from the system after a certain period of account inactivity, but I can't imagine that bloating a given server's copy of the database with a lot of unnecessary player accounts and player characters would help that server's performance.

Also, the process of keeping each server's copy of the combined database up-to-date would be a nightmare. I don't think you'd be able to play on one server, then switch over to a different server and have all of your characters be just as you'd left them on the other server.

jaws343 · January 2021

PC to Console will never, and should never, happen. There are far too many disadvantages between the two platform types that console players would never be on equal footing. From player control options, add-ons, and interface differences, this would be a disaster for console players. PS to Xbox would be more likely but the cost and effort to do this would far outweigh the benefits. As it is, Zos can get players to buy on multiple platforms if they wish to play with different player groups. Implementing crossplay functionality would greatly increase the cost of the game for them and it would require a ton of server restructuring that is frankly an unimaginable effort I doubt they would bother to undertake.

ErythorBloodsheild · January 2021

The mega servers, probably 10 yr old tech at this point, have hard enough time keeping up with the Joneses for 1 platform, adding 3 to 1 server? No chance compadre. Id be cool with the idea with the hardware powering our worlds could handle it. At the very least, give us the option to cross save. That tech exist, and it's been what, 6 years since ESO launched on console? To be sure they've figured out how to do this by now. Throw that option for cross save into ESO Plus, id be fine with that.

Danikat · January 2021

16BitForestCat wrote: »

I've never understood the "addons make it unfair" thing people keep tossing out to reject cross-platform play. Even on PC/Mac, many players don't use addons, yet people who don't use addons and people who do still play in the same game space fine (while complaining about far worse enemies like glitches and lag).

We tend to think that everyone is a tech-savvy hardcore gamer because that's much of who bothers with places like these forums, but the truth is, most ESO players are just in ESO to play the game itself and never wander into the forums, social media, or addon sites. When you look at how many people have downloaded a particular addon on ESOUI, for example, the number may seem large at first. But many of those digits are just repeat downloads from pre-existing addon users wanting to update or reinstall their mods, not "new customers" downloading an addon for the first time. And if you only counted truly unique, first-time downloads, those numbers definitely would not add up to the entire PC/Mac playerbase.

(Also, addons aren't by default cheats or ridiculous advantage-givers, despite what a lot of salty people want to claim. But that's another debate thread entirely.)

I was thinking that. Also the number of addons doesn't really mean anything. I run about 12 or 13 addons and only two of them are combat related. Srendarr is a buff tracker which is actually part of the base game UI now anyway, I just prefer the layout the addon gives me, and Azurah does things like colour code health bars to differenciate enemies and allies and stops the bars changing size. (But I mostly use it to move notifications out of the way and make the subtitles smaller.)

All the rest change or add menus or do trivial stuff like change which mount I'm using when I change areas.

Unfadingsilence · January 2021

Grianasteri wrote: »

Given the nature of ESO (particularly combat I thinking of here), cross platform betwixt Console and PC I feel would be unacceptable. Console player are at such a massive disadvantage it would be unfair. The list of add ons PC players have alone, renders such a suggestion impossible, in my eyes, can anyone seriously argue itd be fair for a vanila console player to face off against a PC player with every add on helping them under the sun? Happy to be persuaded otherwise though.

But, cross play betwixt PS4 and Xbox, absolutely, this would drastically improve the gaming experience and community, IF performance could cope. Double the player base, half the Q times, more players for guilds and activities, it could invigorate ESO player base on console.

So let me ask you a question about "console players are at such a massive disadvantage" what disadvantage does console have or better yet what makes PC have an advantage? Cuz other than add-ons that make the game easier to play "skyshards, lore books, rifts and so forth" there is nothing that helps a player get better in pvp. pve maybe with addones that current raid groups use to make endgame content/score runs faster sure but pvp nothing at all. I run a controller on PC since I have made the switch to PC since im playing all platforms now and have been able to 1vX 810 CP guys since CP300 and currently at 650 CP now on my account and also preformencen between both Xbox series x, Playstation 5 and PC are still the same especially in pvp

relentless_turnip · January 2021

Unfadingsilence wrote: »

Grianasteri wrote: »

Given the nature of ESO (particularly combat I thinking of here), cross platform betwixt Console and PC I feel would be unacceptable. Console player are at such a massive disadvantage it would be unfair. The list of add ons PC players have alone, renders such a suggestion impossible, in my eyes, can anyone seriously argue itd be fair for a vanila console player to face off against a PC player with every add on helping them under the sun? Happy to be persuaded otherwise though.

But, cross play betwixt PS4 and Xbox, absolutely, this would drastically improve the gaming experience and community, IF performance could cope. Double the player base, half the Q times, more players for guilds and activities, it could invigorate ESO player base on console.

So let me ask you a question about "console players are at such a massive disadvantage" what disadvantage does console have or better yet what makes PC have an advantage? Cuz other than add-ons that make the game easier to play "skyshards, lore books, rifts and so forth" there is nothing that helps a player get better in pvp. pve maybe with addones that current raid groups use to make endgame content/score runs faster sure but pvp nothing at all. I run a controller on PC since I have made the switch to PC since im playing all platforms now and have been able to 1vX 810 CP guys since CP300 and currently at 650 CP now on my account and also preformencen between both Xbox series x, Playstation 5 and PC are still the same especially in pvp

I also am a pc player that uses controller and like yourself I compete very adequately. I was able change the user settings so the turning on the right stick was faster which could be considered an advantage. I know unified gaming also uses a gamepad and isth3reno1else when he has played PC. All good examples of people who have joined pc on equal footing as the pc players.

The only add on I use that effects combat is action duration reminder. Which is essentially a much more intuitive version of what is already in the game. I also have a mini map. Zos could easily adopt add ons like these for better UI options.

jaws343 · January 2021

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1. So players would have to rename their characters or be forced with a character rename in some way?
2. Some players don't have the luxury of having high end gaming PCs, or decent PCs. Having a console, and owning it for multiple years, mostly takes that choice away from console players to switch to PC. Why should they be forced to spend even more money on a game they have been playing for years to be competitive?
3. Voice stuff is the least of problems with PC/Console crossplay.
4. No clue

jaws343 · January 2021

relentless_turnip wrote: »

Unfadingsilence wrote: »

Grianasteri wrote: »

Given the nature of ESO (particularly combat I thinking of here), cross platform betwixt Console and PC I feel would be unacceptable. Console player are at such a massive disadvantage it would be unfair. The list of add ons PC players have alone, renders such a suggestion impossible, in my eyes, can anyone seriously argue itd be fair for a vanila console player to face off against a PC player with every add on helping them under the sun? Happy to be persuaded otherwise though.

But, cross play betwixt PS4 and Xbox, absolutely, this would drastically improve the gaming experience and community, IF performance could cope. Double the player base, half the Q times, more players for guilds and activities, it could invigorate ESO player base on console.

So let me ask you a question about "console players are at such a massive disadvantage" what disadvantage does console have or better yet what makes PC have an advantage? Cuz other than add-ons that make the game easier to play "skyshards, lore books, rifts and so forth" there is nothing that helps a player get better in pvp. pve maybe with addones that current raid groups use to make endgame content/score runs faster sure but pvp nothing at all. I run a controller on PC since I have made the switch to PC since im playing all platforms now and have been able to 1vX 810 CP guys since CP300 and currently at 650 CP now on my account and also preformencen between both Xbox series x, Playstation 5 and PC are still the same especially in pvp

I also am a pc player that uses controller and like yourself I compete very adequately. I was able change the user settings so the turning on the right stick was faster which could be considered an advantage. I know unified gaming also uses a gamepad and isth3reno1else when he has played PC. All good examples of people who have joined pc on equal footing as the pc players.

The only add on I use that effects combat is action duration reminder. Which is essentially a much more intuitive version of what is already in the game. I also have a mini map. Zos could easily adopt add ons like these for better UI options.

The problem is, you are comparing your ability and other player's abilitiy to compete with other PC players while also playing on PC. Playing on PC and playing on console are not the same. Crossplay is not console players joining PC players in the same way as a console player picking up the game on PC.

relentless_turnip · January 2021

jaws343 wrote: »

relentless_turnip wrote: »

Unfadingsilence wrote: »

Grianasteri wrote: »

Given the nature of ESO (particularly combat I thinking of here), cross platform betwixt Console and PC I feel would be unacceptable. Console player are at such a massive disadvantage it would be unfair. The list of add ons PC players have alone, renders such a suggestion impossible, in my eyes, can anyone seriously argue itd be fair for a vanila console player to face off against a PC player with every add on helping them under the sun? Happy to be persuaded otherwise though.

But, cross play betwixt PS4 and Xbox, absolutely, this would drastically improve the gaming experience and community, IF performance could cope. Double the player base, half the Q times, more players for guilds and activities, it could invigorate ESO player base on console.

So let me ask you a question about "console players are at such a massive disadvantage" what disadvantage does console have or better yet what makes PC have an advantage? Cuz other than add-ons that make the game easier to play "skyshards, lore books, rifts and so forth" there is nothing that helps a player get better in pvp. pve maybe with addones that current raid groups use to make endgame content/score runs faster sure but pvp nothing at all. I run a controller on PC since I have made the switch to PC since im playing all platforms now and have been able to 1vX 810 CP guys since CP300 and currently at 650 CP now on my account and also preformencen between both Xbox series x, Playstation 5 and PC are still the same especially in pvp

I also am a pc player that uses controller and like yourself I compete very adequately. I was able change the user settings so the turning on the right stick was faster which could be considered an advantage. I know unified gaming also uses a gamepad and isth3reno1else when he has played PC. All good examples of people who have joined pc on equal footing as the pc players.

The only add on I use that effects combat is action duration reminder. Which is essentially a much more intuitive version of what is already in the game. I also have a mini map. Zos could easily adopt add ons like these for better UI options.

The problem is, you are comparing your ability and other player's abilitiy to compete with other PC players while also playing on PC. Playing on PC and playing on console are not the same. Crossplay is not console players joining PC players in the same way as a console player picking up the game on PC.

Although I appreciate your input, I'm not sure I understand what you mean. If it isn't mouse and keyboard or add-ons what is the disadvantage for console players?

Pauwer · January 2021

I wish cross play would happen. I'd force my pc gaming guy to play eso with me. I play on ps4 atm and i have told him i will buy us another playstation and tv, on the condition that he would have to play with me sometimes, only like few nights a week or less. But no. He won't. If cross play was possible, i'd somehow get him to play with me in his pc. Pls make it happen.

wheresbes · January 2021

Addons are one thing, but movement and aiming are the real issues on consoles. In fact, there are ongoing debates about how using XIM is cheating due to the advantages that the k/m brings compared to the controller.

Linaleah · January 2021

wheresbes wrote: »

Addons are one thing, but movement and aiming are the real issues on consoles. In fact, there are ongoing debates about how using XIM is cheating due to the advantages that the k/m brings compared to the controller.

this. heck, just being able to rebind the controls on pc vs not being able to do so on console - can make a huge difference to individual performance.

I can see crossplay happening between consoles. I cannot see it happening with pc.

Unfadingsilence · January 2021

relentless_turnip wrote: »

Unfadingsilence wrote: »

Grianasteri wrote: »

Given the nature of ESO (particularly combat I thinking of here), cross platform betwixt Console and PC I feel would be unacceptable. Console player are at such a massive disadvantage it would be unfair. The list of add ons PC players have alone, renders such a suggestion impossible, in my eyes, can anyone seriously argue itd be fair for a vanila console player to face off against a PC player with every add on helping them under the sun? Happy to be persuaded otherwise though.

But, cross play betwixt PS4 and Xbox, absolutely, this would drastically improve the gaming experience and community, IF performance could cope. Double the player base, half the Q times, more players for guilds and activities, it could invigorate ESO player base on console.

So let me ask you a question about "console players are at such a massive disadvantage" what disadvantage does console have or better yet what makes PC have an advantage? Cuz other than add-ons that make the game easier to play "skyshards, lore books, rifts and so forth" there is nothing that helps a player get better in pvp. pve maybe with addones that current raid groups use to make endgame content/score runs faster sure but pvp nothing at all. I run a controller on PC since I have made the switch to PC since im playing all platforms now and have been able to 1vX 810 CP guys since CP300 and currently at 650 CP now on my account and also preformencen between both Xbox series x, Playstation 5 and PC are still the same especially in pvp

I also am a pc player that uses controller and like yourself I compete very adequately. I was able change the user settings so the turning on the right stick was faster which could be considered an advantage. I know unified gaming also uses a gamepad and isth3reno1else when he has played PC. All good examples of people who have joined pc on equal footing as the pc players.

The only add on I use that effects combat is action duration reminder. Which is essentially a much more intuitive version of what is already in the game. I also have a mini map. Zos could easily adopt add ons like these for better UI options.

You can use the same settings on console to adjust the speed of the movement as well for the right stick, but when it comes to pvp there is little to no difference between PC and console but PVE can be a different story in its self for endgame score runs but at the same time console is putting out great numbers without the use of addons so honestly I dont see why cross-platform would not work. Cuz even when I was low CP I did not feel like I was at a disadvantage fighting outnumbered vs max CP guys I even have a most recent clip showing a 1v7 and before that a 1v10

jaws343 · January 2021

wheresbes wrote: »

Addons are one thing, but movement and aiming are the real issues on consoles. In fact, there are ongoing debates about how using XIM is cheating due to the advantages that the k/m brings compared to the controller.

This. This is why crossplay puts console at disadvantage. K/M is much easier to control and keybinds aren't cross functional. And you don't have to release a directional joystick to perform another function like bar swap or potion swap.

JamieAubrey · January 2021

As soon as that happens the forums will be flooded from Console players complaining PC players have an advantage

THEDKEXPERIENCE · January 2021

JamieAubrey wrote: »

As soon as that happens the forums will be flooded from Console players complaining PC players have an advantage

Yes and no. If they were to allow add-ons sure. That’s a clear and obvious disadvantage.

And of course PC players would have the advantage (mostly) of having faster equipment.

That said, if they merged the servers today and removed all add-ons most of the PC community would get dealt with handily by the console community since the console community has been playing without add-ons for a good 5 years now.

It takes a lot of time and practice to get a rotation down with zero timers.

There would be a lot of tears on both sides but only one side is used to playing blindfolded.

Ashryn · January 2021

I wish they would have it, but I doubt it will ever happen!

THEDKEXPERIENCE · January 2021

jaws343 wrote: »

wheresbes wrote: »

Addons are one thing, but movement and aiming are the real issues on consoles. In fact, there are ongoing debates about how using XIM is cheating due to the advantages that the k/m brings compared to the controller.

This. This is why crossplay puts console at disadvantage. K/M is much easier to control and keybinds aren't cross functional. And you don't have to release a directional joystick to perform another function like bar swap or potion swap.

This is not a fair study. While you are likely correct that if two completely equal people played then the K/M guy may have an advantage, but what about the person who has spent 30 years with a controller in their hands and only uses a keyboard to type emails?

The average player’s ability with a controller or a K/M is completely based upon which they have used more.

You could give me a NASCAR but if I don’t know how to operate it I’d lose to a bicycle in a race.