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18,800 For Fully furnished home lol?
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rpa✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I feel silly priced houses are not the biggest problem this game has. And it could be worse. Imagine if apex manors dropped from crown crates instead.2 -
SilverBride✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭SilverBride wrote: »It's really unfathomable...133 euros..wow.
I pity those who buy it in cash, really. Go and buy some pressies for your kids or treat yourself to something that you can keep forever
People can spend the money they earned on anything they want. What sounds like a large amount to some may not be to others. Why would you pity someone who can afford to purchase the things they want?
People aren't required to only spend their money on something they can keep forever. Entertainment is essential to good mental health and is a reasonable purchase.
Personal experience. A close friend would spend their salary on multiple 'large' houses. I never understood the pricing for these big homes. I do understand though that those who saved up their crowns are happy to spend them, but I wonder how many people out their actually have that many crowns at one given time. It's pretty tempting to spend them throughout the wait from my point of view.
What do you think justifies the high pricing? Exclusivity, I don't know.
If your friend blew his whole salary to buy large houses, that is just irresponsible. But that certainly isn't the case with everyone. Some people can just afford to splurge for their enjoyment. Those people don't deserve pity.
And I saved 12,500 crowns to buy my first house furnished. It took several months, but I wasn't tempted to spend the crowns on anything else because houses and furnishings are the only things on the Crown store I care about.Edited by SilverBride on January 15, 2021 7:03AMPCNA2 -
Vanya✭✭✭✭✭Viewsfrom6ix wrote: »Luckily I have no interest in housing.
I mean 18k crowns only costs about 3-4m in-game gold which can be easily earned in a month with minimal effort.
What is your true definition of "minimal effort" first one has to get to level to have either multile alts or be able to do it with minimal effort, 4 million gold in 1 month LMAO?? no way
Please explain how can a casual player earn millions in month you must be ... nonsense
very little gold is obtained from looting npcs,quest rewards etc , the post needs more clarification
in order to get to level first you have to grind to oblivion and most of houses as current can be bought with CROWNS ONLY5 -
Hallothiel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭That's why you stock up on some crowns during the sales. I get 40% off everything in the store. That's not even factoring in the crowns from the subscription either.
Yep, this exactly. It’s called budgeting & forward planning. Buy crowns cheap in sale, save my sub ones & only spend them on houses I really like.
This house has been available in game for a few years, but didn’t buy it before as had no interest. Now I have an idea I’d like to try out so am considering it. Will visit numerous times over the next few days to see if really want it. Have also visited guildmates houses to see what they have done.
Housing is one aspect of ESO that I love. Like ending an evening after trials or pvp by doing a bit of pootling around whichever house I am working on at the moment. Very satisfying.
But yes, whilst I can save & budget, I still think the the prices are too high - but we’d all like everything to be cheaper, would we not? 😉
And at least they are not in the bloody awful crown crates, which I truly detest.2 -
Carthelion✭✭✭I was thinking about this driving home from work yesterday. I get that all MMOs offer a store now for various things. But ESO has got to be the most expensive I've ever played.4 -
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✭The Crown Store pricing for almost every single thing, is an absolute moral disgrace and Zos should be ashamed of themselves.
Not only as a general rule are items well over priced to exorbitant levels, there often seems like a lack of consistency. Why is that outfit style 5k but that one is 1k? Its just aesthetic pixels on your character, it costs no more to make available, its just an artificially manipulated market place.
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Vanya✭✭✭✭✭Carthelion wrote: »I was thinking about this driving home from work yesterday. I get that all MMOs offer a store now for various things. But ESO has got to be the most expensive I've ever played.
At least ESO offers a lot more of other incredbile things and value is exceptionally high for 13 EUR sub you unlock Mr. Everest amount of the content,however MMO generation of games,actually most of the games since 2010+ in particular are being plagued by Store system with RL-Virtual goods transaction a lot for sale is worthy so much ,certain products are a complete rip off,
Also keep in mind there are at least i think 50 houses? hundreds of costumes,little things, non combat pets,mounts,unlocks
Can you imagine the cost of buying all lol..
It DOES force you because a lot of homes are CROWNS Onlycannot be purchased with in game earned gold, one simply has not choice.1 -
Mettaricana✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Never seen an mmo charge such ridiculous fees for housing I mean put it in perspective the deluxe version of the game with all the fun ingame items etc costs less than that house and the house is just a small insignificant part of the game... like buying a car for 2000$ and the decal on the hood is 100,000$...5 -
Vanya✭✭✭✭✭Grianasteri wrote: »The Crown Store pricing for almost every single thing, is an absolute moral disgrace and Zos should be ashamed of themselves.
Not only as a general rule are items well over priced to exorbitant levels, there often seems like a lack of consistency. Why is that outfit style 5k but that one is 1k? Its just aesthetic pixels on your character, it costs no more to make available, its just an artificially manipulated market place.
Exactly, also those bankers, some oufits 2,500 , 5000 crowns lmao, I love game so much and tis magical enormously addictive,variety is incredible but crown store,crates is just lame3 -
SidraWillowsky✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Viewsfrom6ix wrote: »Luckily I have no interest in housing.
I mean 18k crowns only costs about 3-4m in-game gold which can be easily earned in a month with minimal effort.
What is your true definition of "minimal effort" first one has to get to level to have either multile alts or be able to do it with minimal effort, 4 million gold in 1 month LMAO?? no way
Please explain how can a casual player earn millions in month you must be ... nonsense
very little gold is obtained from looting npcs,quest rewards etc , the post needs more clarification
in order to get to level first you have to grind to oblivion and most of houses as current can be bought with CROWNS ONLY
It's also near-impossible to safely trade that much gold for that many crowns. Even the Tamriel Crown Exchange doesn't do that on a regular basis- for the most expensive houses, you have to indicate interest and then they draw randomly from the pool of people interested. I would not trust doing it some other way (unless people have suggestions; I've got the gold but can't find anyone to sell be 15k crowns).0 -
Michae✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I always find the houses lacking. I was really interested in Grand Topal Hideaway but when I've actually seen it I got disappointed. It's flat and uninteresting. The volcano is full of invisible walls and you can't go around the whole island. The bamboo hut is really not my kind of architecture. If it was just an empty little island with some hill in the middle it would be far more interesting. Really almost all of the Crown houses I find lacking. They are either too bland and big or overly complicated and limiting in creativity.
So I only bought my first Crown house last December. It was Shalidor's Realm, since I'm a sucker for floating islands (I love building in Coldharbour Surreal Estate) and it wasn't overly complicated in it's layout. I had sub Crowns saved up for quite a while now, I originally planned to buy Bastion Sanguinaris but it turned out boring and uninspired with lots of narrow labirynth-like corridors and even some bugs. I'm looking forward to Stone Eagle Aerie, I checked it out on PTS and I quite liked it. I still have some sub Crowns so I can buy away. But I certainly won't be buying Crown packs specifically for houses.
EDIT: Spelling.Edited by Michae on January 15, 2021 4:01PM"I bear the cruel weight of certainty. Total, absolute, relentless certainty. People rarely comprehend the luxury of doubt... the freedom that comes with indecision. I envy you."
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Starlock✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Pardon - those who don't understand why microtransations like this are a problem are part of the problem. A mere decade ago, the housing system in this game would have been decried for the greedy garbage that it is. There was no reason for this gameplay system to be baked with so much anti-customer monetization barriers in it. But it was. Because greed. Greed over gameplay. Greed was allowed to compromise the gameplay system of housing to such an extreme degree we have singular houses that cannot be purchased with in-game gold and cost your typical wage-worker a full day or two of pay. For a virtual house. In a video game. That we don't actually own.
I'm not sure which better encapsulates the abject greed of some developers in the industry - the gamble crates or ESO's housing system. They're both pretty darned high up there, at any rate.3 -
Mancombe_Nosehair✭✭✭✭✭I am no fan of housing; I have enough to hold the chests and crafting stations etc. However, at the end of the day, if the prices are too much, then people wouldn't buy them.
They would be permanently discounted, and newer houses would have been cheaper if that was the case.2 -
Vanya✭✭✭✭✭Yea Also after reviewing house again I was even less impressed there should be spot to fish, some animals added around non hostile,more interior place as well, there are way more impressive houses on offer that one in Wrothgarfor instance also on island1
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xaraan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭The pricing for houses in this game has always been ridiculous. That's why I don't own any big homes (that and they don't have enough build room to fill up anyway).-- @xaraan --
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Celephantsylvius_Bornasfinmo✭✭✭✭✭
✭SilverBride wrote: »SilverBride wrote: »It's really unfathomable...133 euros..wow.
I pity those who buy it in cash, really. Go and buy some pressies for your kids or treat yourself to something that you can keep forever
People can spend the money they earned on anything they want. What sounds like a large amount to some may not be to others. Why would you pity someone who can afford to purchase the things they want?
People aren't required to only spend their money on something they can keep forever. Entertainment is essential to good mental health and is a reasonable purchase.
Personal experience. A close friend would spend their salary on multiple 'large' houses. I never understood the pricing for these big homes. I do understand though that those who saved up their crowns are happy to spend them, but I wonder how many people out their actually have that many crowns at one given time. It's pretty tempting to spend them throughout the wait from my point of view.
What do you think justifies the high pricing? Exclusivity, I don't know.
If your friend blew his whole salary to buy large houses, that is just irresponsible. But that certainly isn't the case with everyone. Some people can just afford to splurge for their enjoyment. Those people don't deserve pity.
And I saved 12,500 crowns to buy my first house furnished. It took several months, but I wasn't tempted to spend the crowns on anything else because houses and furnishings are the only things on the Crown store I care about.
Not the whole salary, no. That would be horrible! I'll rephrase my sentence to say 'don't comprehend' instead of pity as it is probably too much of a statement, but still I think the game producer is fuelling it's own problems within the ESO community with these type of commercial behaviour patterns.Edited by Celephantsylvius_Bornasfinmo on January 15, 2021 7:06PM1 -
AlienMagi✭✭✭SilverBride wrote: »It's really unfathomable...133 euros..wow.
I pity those who buy it in cash, really. Go and buy some pressies for your kids or treat yourself to something that you can keep forever
People can spend the money they earned on anything they want. What sounds like a large amount to some may not be to others. Why would you pity someone who can afford to purchase the things they want?
People aren't required to only spend their money on something they can keep forever. Entertainment is essential to good mental health and is a reasonable purchase.
The thing is that buying these properties at such prices affects everyone who plays the game. ZOS sees that people are willing to pay an outrageous amount of real money for it, and they keep the prices extremely high, preventing your average Joe from buying it at a reasonable price. It's called supply and demand it's just the basics of economy.
Yes you have the right to spend your money how you want but its not always moral to do so.5 -
Vanya✭✭✭✭✭SilverBride wrote: »It's really unfathomable...133 euros..wow.
I pity those who buy it in cash, really. Go and buy some pressies for your kids or treat yourself to something that you can keep forever
People can spend the money they earned on anything they want. What sounds like a large amount to some may not be to others. Why would you pity someone who can afford to purchase the things they want?
People aren't required to only spend their money on something they can keep forever. Entertainment is essential to good mental health and is a reasonable purchase.
The thing is that buying these properties at such prices affects everyone who plays the game. ZOS sees that people are willing to pay an outrageous amount of real money for it, and they keep the prices extremely high, preventing your average Joe from buying it at a reasonable price. It's called supply and demand it's just the basics of economy.
Yes you have the right to spend your money how you want but its not always moral to do so.
Excellent post you nailed it , was waiting for such response ,well done,Tis exactly what happens you have mega rich person owning massive amounts and houses while poor player struggles however happiness and joy is found as well in small things , freedom! Tis sorrowful someone will never have a chance to own huge property give them a chance to buy exact house with in game gold but of course that would break the market of CROWNS ONLY ,sigh. There is infinite amount of things to do fear not i m going to progress through story line zone quests and expansions will get some home for reasonable price.2 -
Starlock✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭SilverBride wrote: »It's really unfathomable...133 euros..wow.
I pity those who buy it in cash, really. Go and buy some pressies for your kids or treat yourself to something that you can keep forever
People can spend the money they earned on anything they want. What sounds like a large amount to some may not be to others. Why would you pity someone who can afford to purchase the things they want?
People aren't required to only spend their money on something they can keep forever. Entertainment is essential to good mental health and is a reasonable purchase.
The thing is that buying these properties at such prices affects everyone who plays the game. ZOS sees that people are willing to pay an outrageous amount of real money for it, and they keep the prices extremely high, preventing your average Joe from buying it at a reasonable price. It's called supply and demand it's just the basics of economy.
It isn't a supply and demand issue in the case of virtual goods that can be infinitely replicated at no cost. The issue is moreso that letting this kind of anti-customer monetization slide normalizes it in the industry to the detriment of all of us. Like I said, a mere decade ago if a company had tried this kind of garbage it would have been shouted out of existence. It should be shouted out of existence NOW, but because unscrupulous monetization has become more prevalent in the industry, customers think this is normal and therefore acceptable business practice. It is not. These days, there are essentially two kinds of game development companies: those that develop games customers play (art and entertainment focus), and those that develop games that play their customers (monetization and profit focus). The housing system in ESO is evidence of the second type.3 -
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✭✭They gave us the psijic villa for free and I haven’t purchased a house since then.1 -
Vanya✭✭✭✭✭I also want to add that true treasure of the game and jewel is not owning the most grandiose home,outfit,gear or beating someone in PVP, etc, It saddens me how many players are materialistic and power hungry unable to join other beauties what game has to offer, for me I took different path, I am quite satisfied in exploration,story and doing ocassionally content on normal, I am personally overwhelemed and attentive to details I cannot rush
strongest point for me and what drives me on fuels is way more deeper and greater than conquering Cyrodil or having best items or mounts,weapons there are, i dont think many people realise just how incredibl eis to witness every quest,location and immerse yourself in magical world
expand your view, eso is not all about grinding trials,bosses,battlegrounds or purchasing homes4 -
Vanya✭✭✭✭✭They gave us the psijic villa for free and I haven’t purchased a house since then.
Was it trully free? there is always a catch no? eiither some competition achievement or massive grind? how is it "free" I was not playing back then quite possibly in Top III homes Probably in mega expensive category
If you think having deluxe edition or paying morr for expansion and then receiving home you are wrong lol, that is not free
The only free i would say is through long completition of quest line,achievement certain or someone grants you coupon etc, if you want to be more into details even buying though gold is not free you have to invest your time,moneyultimatelytime is money
but yea much better than buying with crowns spending 110EUREdited by Vanya on January 15, 2021 9:03PM2 -
Araneae6537✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I also want to add that true treasure of the game and jewel is not owning the most grandiose home,outfit,gear or beating someone in PVP, etc, It saddens me how many players are materialistic and power hungry unable to join other beauties what game has to offer, for me I took different path, I am quite satisfied in exploration,story and doing ocassionally content on normal, I am personally overwhelemed and attentive to details I cannot rush
strongest point for me and what drives me on fuels is way more deeper and greater than conquering Cyrodil or having best items or mounts,weapons there are, i dont think many people realise just how incredibl eis to witness every quest,location and immerse yourself in magical world
expand your view, eso is not all about grinding trials,bosses,battlegrounds or purchasing homes
It isn’t materialism, at least not for me, and I know I will never have the “grandest” home, nor do I even like things flashy and extravagant. For me, and I think many others, it is a fun creative outlet, even if it’s just a simple place with simple furnishings to reflect one of my characters or an attempt at something grander, to create something new with the furnishings we have.
I enjoy exploring too, and taking in the sights and stories of delves and dungeons when I can, and take this inspiration to my furnishing as well.
Right now I don’t have the space to do much creative work in rl, much less do much to personalize my space. Hopefully that will change someday, but in the meantime, it helps me feel less confined and frustrated that I can go to beautiful relaxing places in ESO and create scenes and stories. For me, it’s part of immersing myself in that magical world.
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Araneae6537✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭They gave us the psijic villa for free and I haven’t purchased a house since then.
Was it trully free? there is always a catch no? eiither some competition achievement or massive grind? how is it "free" I was not playing back then quite possibly in Top III homes Probably in mega expensive category
If you think having deluxe edition or paying morr for expansion and then receiving home you are wrong lol, that is not free
The only free i would say is through long completition of quest line,achievement certain or someone grants you coupon etc, if you want to be more into details even buying though gold is not free you have to invest your time,moneyultimatelytime is money
but yea much better than buying with crowns spending 110EUR
I believe it was a reward simply for participating in an event, much like the lovely Antiquarian Gallery was this past year, so no long grind, time or gold sink needed. You would need to have bought the Summerset expansion, so if you want to argue that makes it not free, fair enough, but if you had bought it anyway, then I think it fair to call a free bonus — again, much like this last year’s event.3 -
Starlock✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭@Vanya - I don't know that I'd say the "true treasure" of this game is some particular thing. This game appeals to folks for different reasons, and the monetization reflects that as well. There's a microtransaction for every customer, tailor made, just for them and what they're most likely to fall prey to. For the poor souls who have problems with addiction, there's the gambling they put into the game in the form of crown crates. For the competitive gamers, there's paying for instant skill lines and skill points and experience accelerators. For the storytellers, there's an abundance of cash shop exclusive costumes, personalities, motifs, and so on. For the builders, there's the cash shop exclusive housing and furnishing. Collectively, all of this adds up to thousands of dollars with no upper spending limit - which is a hallmark of customer-unfriendly monetization in gaming. Any game with no upper spending limit is a trap, without exception.
Giving away free large houses, unfortunately, plays into that too. Giving away a free large house is a way of expanding targets. Players won't buy overpriced furnishing pack with massive statues if they don't have a house they can put it in. I know more than a few folks who have made remarks along the lines "I wouldn't have bought this if I didn't have this big house."1 -
Charon_on_Vacation✭✭✭✭it is just like LEGO.
minimal effort and cost for maximum profit.
if it works, it works!1 -
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spartaxoxo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭It's really unfathomable...133 euros..wow.
I pity those who buy it in cash, really. Go and buy some pressies for your kids or treat yourself to something that you can keep forever
I have one place like this and I got by using the bonus crowns thst csme from eso+. The Bastion Sanguinarios.
I imagine some of the people buying these places are doing the same and not purchasing the house aloneEdited by spartaxoxo on January 16, 2021 12:30AM0
