Ratzkifal wrote: »

Araneae6537 wrote: »

People need to stop ridiculing those who enjoy things differently than they do. A night out can easily cost as much and more yet I dare say fewer people would criticize that. And even most “things” do not last forever, do they?

As for me, I try to buy quality things when I buy them and then use as long as possible until they must be replaced. I have neither means nor space to buy things all the time, nor do I like to be wasteful.

Paying for digital items is for the experience so it really depends on how much YOU enjoy them. If you will enjoy building on it, it may be a worthwhile expenditure.

As others have pointed out too — anyone planning to buy properties for Crowns surely stocked up during this past sale! Also , you should be looking at the base price of 15,000 Crowns. Whether the furnishings are worth an additional 3,800 is a separate question that each must evaluate for themselves. Do you like the furnishings that much and if so, is this the best way for you to obtain them? Some may be inexpensive to buy from traders, etc.

My main disappointment is that so much of the property has stuff built on it; I had thought there would be half as many structural elements with a greater portion of the property nature, trees, waterfalls, beaches (Moonsugar Meadow is my favorite property!). The other element is the volcano, which I wish had been designed more like the shield volcanoes of Hawai’i, more slowly constantly erupting lava, whereas it looks instead like there’s just been an explosion, and everything will be destroyed by ashfall and pyroclastic flow in another moment.

From the size and all things considered, I do feel the price should be closer to 10k unfurnished... But I had already been considering how I would furnish it and one of my wizards needs a volcano-side forge for... research...

There should be a certain level of consistency within the store. Does a house, that you still need to fill before you can properly use it even in the furnished version, provide the same level of entertainement/enjoyment as twice the game's latest chapter? No. Not it probably doesn't. Especially since Housing is still lacking functionality.
A fully furnished home, close to the furnishing limit, where every corner of it already feels cozy and people like to come and visit? Perhaps.

The point is that most players want those houses, but they are understandably having a hard time justifying spending money on what is essentially just another grind/chore if they could just buy a new tripple A and an indie game for the same money instead, and arguably having a better time doing so too.
It's just not a good deal no matter how you look at it. But it could have been something a considerably larger amount of players could get to enjoy if they had lowered the crown prices or added gold prices to these manors.

I don’t know about comparing housing prices to chapters — totally different things and the chapters eventually become part of ESO+ so in a way, the chapter price is for early access, being able to participate in the event, etc.

But I do agree that the price seems rather too high, even just in relation to other houses. To justify the price, I feel it should be a larger island with several options of what comes “baked in” so to speak to optimize tradeoff between customizability and furnishing slots. Maybe a cave as well behind the waterfall — that would be cool!

I do feel that each of us enjoys housing differently — for me I enjoy setting it up, building, furnishing it, so when it is finished, it is truly mine and gives me that additional satisfaction when I visit (if it doesn’t, then it’s time to rebuild!). I must think that you do not enjoy that aspect since you call it a chore/grind but would consider buying the house more worthwhile if it was already truly fully furnished.

Likewise, I am a type of gamer who doesn’t enjoy many games (many are those tried and abandoned) but likes to become fully immersed and invested in one, or a very few. I think the next game even on my radar to buy is Dragon Age 4, whenever that comes out, which probably won’t be for a long while yet...

So all that to reiterate, different things for different people, but I do agree that the 15k price point does seem too much... and I can see why ZOS makes these most expensive LTO because it’s really too much, but for someone who likes it at all, there’s knowing that it probably won’t be available again for another two years...

41 or so houses per last count - I find them to be my chosen sanctuary atm decorating, creating new ideas in a ten-level puzzle that works on so many more levels, I think i paid crowns for about ten of them but probably more, and see ideas I suggested in about 15+. I gave up my food-budget to see my dream realized more then once, I'm SO cool with that, sorry! cI;-P

Some times mindfodder is more vital to survival then a cup-o-noodles.

If I recall correctly, the most expensive home to date was something like 21-22,000 crowns. The colossal grotto in Summerset, I think? I mean, you’re not wrong to be shocked by such asinine pricing, but look at some of the items you can get for a “mere” 800 crowns. Assuming a low $0.50 USD exchange rate per crown, that’s still $4 of real world money for one digital item in a game that you do not own, and all of the things you worked to collect in it will be gone forever whenever the servers are shut down. If you feel the amount you pay into the game is worth the amount of enjoyment you get out of it, then you are doing fine. If the prices of crown items are maddening to you, I can only suggest not making the purchases and getting by on the massive variety of things that can be earned for no real world money in the game.

I do wonder if they lowered prices if they wouldn't make more money. I'd be shocked if it is more profitable trying to convince people to drop 100+ euro when the same item at 10 euro would possibly sell like hotcakes.

SilverBride wrote: »

Ratzkifal wrote: »

The point is that most players want those houses, but they are understandably having a hard time justifying spending money on what is essentially just another grind/chore if they could just buy a new tripple A and an indie game for the same money instead, and arguably having a better time doing so too.

They could, but they didn't. They are playing ESO because they choose to. And many players, myself included, do not consider housing a grind/chore. I can spend hours crafting furnishings and decorating my homes, and enjoy every second of it. To me that is money well spent.

They could and they did. I did not buy any of these manors with crowns and instead I spent my money elsewhere. If ZOS does not want my money, then that's on them, not on me. I enjoy decorating too, but I do not enjoy tracking down the furnishings I need at guild stores and having to deal with blueprints not dropping, making certain pieces of furniture outrageously ovepriced or not even publically known if they are actually in the loot table at all.
And then there is the issue of crown store exclusive fireplaces...

Ratzkifal wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

Ratzkifal wrote: »

The point is that most players want those houses, but they are understandably having a hard time justifying spending money on what is essentially just another grind/chore if they could just buy a new tripple A and an indie game for the same money instead, and arguably having a better time doing so too.

They could, but they didn't. They are playing ESO because they choose to. And many players, myself included, do not consider housing a grind/chore. I can spend hours crafting furnishings and decorating my homes, and enjoy every second of it. To me that is money well spent.

They could and they did. I did not buy any of these manors with crowns and instead I spent my money elsewhere. If ZOS does not want my money, then that's on them, not on me. I enjoy decorating too, but I do not enjoy tracking down the furnishings I need at guild stores and having to deal with blueprints not dropping, making certain pieces of furniture outrageously ovepriced or not even publically known if they are actually in the loot table at all.
And then there is the issue of crown store exclusive fireplaces...

Psh, fireplaces come with several homes, even unfurnished (I bought Mathiisen Manor for gold) and even if you buy from crownstore, the fires are cheap. There are things that seem absurdly limited and/or overpriced but I don’t think an argument can be made that fireplaces are one of them, unless you mean the Winter Festival Hearthfire. Similarly, the Clockwork crafting stations are ONLY available from the Crown store and 3,500 Crowns EACH!

Kiralyn2000 wrote: »

(that said, it'd be nice if they released a few more smaller houses for every Super Luxury one they put out.)

I'd love to see at least one small or medium-sized house in each zone, for fast-travel purposes.

I'd prefer that it be available unfurnished for in-game gold, but I'd settle for a crowns-only house if it were reasonably priced (like the price of the snow globe home) and were consistently available (if not all year, then at least for an extended limited time-- a few weeks, not a few days-- each and every year without fail).

I think the very large crowns-only houses are clearly aimed at guilds who are looking for a house that's large enough to serve as a guild hall, or players who don't mind spending that kind of money on a house.

When you buy the largest crowns pack during a sale, and a few weeks later there's a limited-time, rarely-offered, crowns-only house for sale that costs all of, if not more than, the entire crowns pack that you just bought-- sorry, but that's just rude.

Araneae6537 wrote: »

Similarly, the Clockwork crafting stations are ONLY available from the Crown store and 3,500 Crowns EACH!

What are "the Clockwork crafting stations"?

Vanya wrote: »

Are you kidding me right , must be current one on sale near massive Volcano around 110EUR+... 133$ considering how many things are in game one can easily spend thousands

Just insane it should be much less, double less

Do you find that fair,outrageous??

Isn't that the most expensive possible.

ESO house prices and crown store prices are outrages. In another news. Water is wet

Vanya wrote: »

500$ you can buy 10 other games or unlock so much more is it really worthy

And you could have bought 10 other games with the money you spent on the base game and expansions and dlcs, too. But that isn't the point.

People will spend money on what THEY want... not what you tell them they should want.

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

Araneae6537 wrote: »

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

Araneae6537 wrote: »

Similarly, the Clockwork crafting stations are ONLY available from the Crown store and 3,500 Crowns EACH!

What are "the Clockwork crafting stations"?

The Clockwork style crafting stations. I wouldn’t mind paying extra writs or gold for nicer looking crafting stations but 3.5k Crowns is much too much.

Thank you! I didn't even know there were such things. I guess I don't pay nearly as much attention to the Crown Store as ZOS would no doubt like me to.

Lol, I like to browse eso.mmo-fashion.com to see all the furnishings that are available and from where. I find it especially helpful for trying to figure out creative decorating solutions.

As someone who played all the TES titles since Morrowind with an Imperial (and just loved the house in Anvil in Oblivion) I always looked at the Linchal Grand Manor with the sadness of "I'll never have it, because I'll never spend so much money on a pixel home".

Then I treated myself to a month of ESO+ half a year back or so for some event and inventory dump. And since I only bought Greymoor on sale (Nords, Vampires and Witches aren't my thing, so I had no problem waiting that long), and will do Markarth while I have ESO+, then leave it be, I used the money I saved in this "ESO year" to sign up for another 6 months ESO+.

And suddenly I realized that I had some 11k crowns lying around, just from that subscription that I did mostly for other reasons. I used some on Seyrene, and some on Ezabi (I already got Fez in a sale way back), and I'll keep 2k for this year's DLC. (Except if it is some stupid Daedric realm or other, in that case I don't need them there.)
But after playing 4 years, buying 19,5k crowns and 12 months of ESO+ (of which I still have 3 to go) in all that time, there aren't that many things in the store that are a must have for me anymore. (I don't do crates.)
So the occasional 1 or 3 months of ESO+ in the future will accumulate crowns I'll probably don't spend on anything more than the occasional houseguest or DLC. And eventually, and not that far off, I'll have enough to get that Manor without having paid any real money specifically for that.

As is I spent about 45 Euros + chapters (40 or 20 Euro each, depending on how much I like them) a year for a game I play quite a lot, and I could have that house already if I urgently wanted it, for that money. I went for assistants, a mount, a house guest, and some goodies here and there first, but those are done now.

So yes, at first glance, and when buying crowns just for that specific article, this home seems way too expensive. (It IS in my books.)
But maybe consider that the crown store is mostly there for the subscribers, and if you are a regular subscriber you'll get the things you like in there for reasonable cost, because you rack up all the crowns you need anyway (19.5k a year, if you subscribe constantly, and there are people that do).

(I admit, though, that I don't buy Dungeon DLCs, or skill lines and similar things I can just play for. That saves a lot of crowns, I suppose.)

Edit: But I agree - that the only actual fire for fireplaces comes crown exclusive is just mean!

SilverBride wrote: »

Youyouz06 wrote: »

It's really unfathomable...133 euros..wow.
I pity those who buy it in cash, really. Go and buy some pressies for your kids or treat yourself to something that you can keep forever

People can spend the money they earned on anything they want. What sounds like a large amount to some may not be to others. Why would you pity someone who can afford to purchase the things they want?

People aren't required to only spend their money on something they can keep forever. Entertainment is essential to good mental health and is a reasonable purchase.

Personal experience. A close friend would spend their salary on multiple 'large' houses. I never understood the pricing for these big homes. I do understand though that those who saved up their crowns are happy to spend them, but I wonder how many people out their actually have that many crowns at one given time. It's pretty tempting to spend them throughout the wait from my point of view.

What do you think justifies the high pricing? Exclusivity, I don't know.